Thank you for taking the initiative, Jo! This is a great idea for someone like myself to benefit because I live far away with no hope of visiting Warrington any time soon! My WOOD family hailed from Warrington...my earliest known ancestor, Henry WOOD (b. abt. 1802, d. 1849), was an earthenware dealer at 10 Market Place, who also ran a day school first in this establishment, and later on King Street. I would love to see a photo of that address...whether how it looks today or long ago. Lisa Hopp Seattle, WA -------------- Original message -------------- From: "Jo" <jo@fruitcats.com> > Thanks to Tigger's bright idea (thanks Tigger), I've now set up a > photobucket account for us all to share photos. ;o) > > The URL is http://www.photobucket.com > > The Username is: warringtonlist > > The Password is: sankeystreet > > I hope this works for everyone. Please let me have some feedback! > > Jo > list thingy

Jo wrote: > Thanks to Tigger's bright idea (thanks Tigger), I've now set up a > photobucket account for us all to share photos. ;o) > > The URL is http://www.photobucket.com > > The Username is: warringtonlist > > The Password is: sankeystreet > > I hope this works for everyone. Please let me have some feedback! > > Jo > list thingy > > ** PLEASE CHANGE YOUR SUBJECT HEADING WHEN E-MAILING THE LIST ** > ** PLEASE REMOVE "signatures" from your e-mails to facilitate easier > searching of the archives ** > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-LAN-WARRINGTON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > Looks good to me. Alan

You are spot on regarding the shop that was set in the side of The General Wolfe, when the shop closed it was used as part of the living quarters for Johnny Rothwell and his family who was the licensee at the time. When his wife died the little room then became the Darts room and all the living quarters were at the top of the stairs on the left and on the right was a little concert room that had its own little bar. I will have to check about the frontage being demolished because the original steps to the front door of the pub are still there and are very worn in the middle where many had trodden on them. The Wolfe closed on 8th August 1986 and it was a very sad day for many local punters. I still have the little plaque that was stuck on the wall behind the bar saying "You Don't have to be mad to work and drink here but it helps" I'm sure you must remember it. I worked across the road at Lockers for 25 years until sadly this building was knocked down and new property built there. Lockers moved to premises on Farrell Street in February 2000 and is now the only remaining Locker Company in Warrington. I remember the little annexe at the back of The General Wolfe my kids used to go into the yard after the Warrington Walks and Johnny Rothwell used to make sandwiches and give them crisps and pop whilst us parents sat outside. HAPPY DAYS ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stan Smith" <stan.smith1@ntlworld.com> To: <eng-lan-warrington@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, February 25, 2007 8:56 PM Subject: [SPAM] Re: [LAN-WARR] [SPAM] Re: Warrington Pubs of 1920 >I think what I said is the pub had been replaced by new buildings. There is > still a frontage but it's not the same as in the 1950s, but is new brick, > and is housing property. It bears no resemblance to the pub as it was in > the > 1950s. I don't think the coaching yard has survived at the back, there was > a > wooden gate (with an inset gate for people) off Eldon St, into a large > open > and paved space, the old coaching yard, and then a little annexe extending > out from the pub itself, with glass pannelled walls for visibility, where > children could sit without being compromised by the boozing. The frontage > on > Church St is definitely not the same ,and the little shop of Mr Lomax's on > the corner of Eldon St, which even we could see as kids was slummy then, > though now it wd be a historical treasure, has certainly disappeared. > There > was also, as I recall, a large front door onto Church St for the pub. I > have > a photo somewhere from the 1890s, with lots of men with moustaches and > cloth > caps standing outside this front door, some kind of fishnig club or > similar, > I think. I must try to dig it out from my boxes and files and scan it for > colleagues... > > Stan > > -----Original Message----- > From: eng-lan-warrington-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:eng-lan-warrington-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Syl Walsh > Sent: 25 February 2007 18:24 > To: eng-lan-warrington@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [LAN-WARR] [SPAM] Re: Warrington Pubs of 1920 > > > With reference to you saying that The General Wolfe pub has been > demolished, > > I think you may be wrong with this information, The General Wolfe > frontage > building still stands although the back of it has been modernised into > very > nice apartments. I was a barmaid at the pub for nearly 20 years in 1970's. > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Stan Smith" <stan.smith1@ntlworld.com> > To: <eng-lan-warrington@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Sunday, February 25, 2007 2:36 PM > Subject: [SPAM] Re: [LAN-WARR] Warrington Pubs of 1920 > > >> The black-and-white timbered buildings on Church St, Cromwell's 'Tudor >> Cottages', where my grandfather Isaac had a hardware and cycle shop >> from about 1916 until the 1930s, still stand. Cromwell is reputed to >> have stayed 'in or near' the site in 1648, during his campaign to >> defeat the Presbyterian Scots who had sprung to the defence of the >> Anglo-Catholic Charles I. He probably stayed on the site of the >> General Wolfe pub next door. When I was a kid this was a fine old >> Victorian pub with a coaching yard, so presumably founded on an even >> older site, with a little shop on its >> corner, run by Mr Lomax, sellnig ice cream, etc, right opposite the Tudor >> Cottages. This corner shop, built into the wall of the General Wolfe, >> showed >> signs of being much older, possibly also 16th-17th century. Both pub and >> shop are now demolished and replaced with undistinguished modern >> buildings, >> though there is a property just like it across the road and further >> towards >> the town centre, built into the corner of - if I remember correctly, >> another >> old pub, the Marquis of Granby. The shop was on the corner of what we >> knew >> as 'Jackson's opening' or 'entry', as Jackson's pawn shopohad been on the >> opposite side of the entry. That tiny shop was a cobbler's when I was a >> kid, >> and seems to have survived because of its attachment to the grander >> building. It was rather like the single room, door open ot the street >> shops >> for crafts that you still ifnd in Asian and Middle Eastern towns. >> >> Cromwell is reputed to have defeated the Scots near Warrington Bridge >> (the defeated soldiers were paraded along what thereafter came to be >> called Scotland Road), which is why his statue was placed at Bridge >> Foot, outside Priestley's Academy. The statue was relocated, along >> with the Academy, as a result of road-widening for the new bridge in >> the 70s or 80s, so was no longer visible as being on Bridge Street >> when the IRA planted their bombs in >> the 1990s. It's my theory that they had heard there was a statue of >> Cromwell >> at one end of Bridge St, looked for it and failed to find it, so left >> their >> bombs not near the Bridge Foot end of the street but at the top end, at >> Market Gate. Two young boys were killed in the bombing. My own son and >> his >> son had stood near the same spot the day before. >> >> There was a kerfuffle on the town council when the statue was offered >> to them by the Nonconformist Councillor Frederick Monks, in 1899, the >> tercentary of Cromwell's birth, and it was alleged to be an >> 'anti-Irish' move. It probably was, but it's a fine statue, and is >> used as the icon of the Cromwell Society on their website. It has its >> own chequered history, apparently giving offence to Queen Victoria and >> leading her to spurn Warrington at an earlier date (I think the statue >> was originally made in 1865 or thereabouts, and was intended for >> placing outside the gates of the Town Hall in Bank Park). >> >> We always called the church the Parish Church, too, because it was; >> but >> the >> Parish Church of St Elphins was its official name. >> >> Stan Smith >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: eng-lan-warrington-bounces@rootsweb.com >> [mailto:eng-lan-warrington-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Maureen >> Sent: 24 February 2007 00:01 >> To: eng-lan-warrington@rootsweb.com >> Subject: Re: [LAN-WARR] Warrington Pubs of 1920 >> >> >> Hi, Many thanks to Stan for the information on the Ring a bells. I >> have >> a >> vague memory of the Pub and the church alongside. Did not know as St >> Elphins but as Warrington Parish church...Also remember some small white >> painted shops in Church Street - on the opposite side of the street to >> the >> Church - one very small general shop was run by a lady called IDDON - I >> went >> to school with her daughter Jean. I imagine all these old buildings will >> have gone. Last time I was in Warrington (1984) I had difficulty >> finding >> my way around - and was surprised to see thet "Oliver Cromwell" had been >> moved from his stance opposite the Packet House in Bridge Street. Thank >> you >> again for the information. Best regards Maureen near Brisbane where we >> have the Q.E.11 in port. >> >> --------------------------------- >> Need a quick answer? Get one in minutes from people who know. Ask your >> question on Yahoo! Answers. >> ** PLEASE CHANGE YOUR SUBJECT HEADING WHEN E-MAILING THE LIST ** >> ** PLEASE REMOVE "signatures" from your e-mails to facilitate easier >> searching of the archives ** >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> ENG-LAN-WARRINGTON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> ** PLEASE CHANGE YOUR SUBJECT HEADING WHEN E-MAILING THE LIST ** >> ** PLEASE REMOVE "signatures" from your e-mails to facilitate easier >> searching of the archives ** >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> ENG-LAN-WARRINGTON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ** PLEASE CHANGE YOUR SUBJECT HEADING WHEN E-MAILING THE LIST ** > ** PLEASE REMOVE "signatures" from your e-mails to facilitate easier > searching of the archives ** > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-LAN-WARRINGTON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ** PLEASE CHANGE YOUR SUBJECT HEADING WHEN E-MAILING THE LIST ** > ** PLEASE REMOVE "signatures" from your e-mails to facilitate easier > searching of the archives ** > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-LAN-WARRINGTON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thanks to Tigger's bright idea (thanks Tigger), I've now set up a photobucket account for us all to share photos. ;o) The URL is http://www.photobucket.com The Username is: warringtonlist The Password is: sankeystreet I hope this works for everyone. Please let me have some feedback! Jo list thingy

Easiest way would be to use something like "photobucket" (http://photobucket.com/) or "webshots" (http://www.webshots.com/) and then post the link to the photo in an e-mail to the list. Following examples are nothing to do with genealogy! Eg: http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p267/trunktemp/edacs_users.gif http://pets.webshots.com/photo/1142203189048557364eiiZYy?vhost=pets > -----Original Message----- > From: eng-lan-warrington-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:eng-lan-warrington-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Jo > Sent: 25 February 2007 21:14 > To: eng-lan-warrington@rootsweb.com > Subject: [LAN-WARR] Psychics! No... seriously folks... > > Stan, perhaps we should be asking if there are any psychics > on the board? > We need more input from those 'long gone', then perhaps > we'd not be in a > pickle with our ancestors. I wouldn't put it past MY lot to > muddle me up > further though :o( > > Seriously, would anyone like an 'area' where we can show > photos to other > members, rather than having to send to each lister individually? Has > anyone any ideas on how we could set this up? > > Also, I'd like you to welcome Neil, who has kindly taken > over duties as list assistant' for awhile, and who will be > stepping into the breach whilst > I'm busy emigrating to Eire. Thank you Neil. HOPEFULLY > I'll be back with > you once we're settled in and have phone/internet connections > installed. > > Jo > list boss ;o) > > > > > > ** PLEASE CHANGE YOUR SUBJECT HEADING WHEN E-MAILING THE LIST ** > ** PLEASE REMOVE "signatures" from your e-mails to facilitate > easier searching of the archives ** > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-LAN-WARRINGTON-request@rootsweb.com with the word > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body > of the message >

Hello, I am intrigued by the extracts from the letter - I do wonder whether we are refering to the same Packet House Inn - I seem to think there was another smaller pub of this name. As I understand the "Packet" refered too was a small coastal boat which plied the rivers with cargo. The Packet I remember would I think have been built in the lat 1800s or early 1900s. I will try to find more. Regards Maureen Reid Qld Aus. --------------------------------- We won't tell. Get more on shows you hate to love (and love to hate): Yahoo! TV's Guilty Pleasures list.

Stan, perhaps we should be asking if there are any psychics on the board? We need more input from those 'long gone', then perhaps we'd not be in a pickle with our ancestors. I wouldn't put it past MY lot to muddle me up further though :o( Seriously, would anyone like an 'area' where we can show photos to other members, rather than having to send to each lister individually? Has anyone any ideas on how we could set this up? Also, I'd like you to welcome Neil, who has kindly taken over duties as list assistant' for awhile, and who will be stepping into the breach whilst I'm busy emigrating to Eire. Thank you Neil. HOPEFULLY I'll be back with you once we're settled in and have phone/internet connections installed. Jo list boss ;o)

Hello Stan - What memories - I seem to remember a Monumental Masons near the Church on a corner. Think I would see from the top of the bus enroute to Woolston Lido (anyone remember that place). The Packet House Inn was on the corner of Bridge and Mersey street - an entrance in both Streets. Opposite was Cromwell and the Acadamey behind. Also remember going to Boyles Dancing class in the building alongside there - later was the site of the "British Restaraunt". The Ritz cinema opened in the mid thirtes and the illuminated Organ which rose from the floor with colour changes was a great attraction. Some of the travelling Organists stayed at the Packet House. Crosville Bus Stop was in that area with bus travel to Widnes & Liverpool from there. Do not recall the Wire Works but do remember the smell from Greenalls Brewery on the Causeway. Walking Days and Cot Balls at the Parr Hall - anyone else recall those events ?. Great to be in touch with hometown from so far away. Regards Maureen Qld. Aus. --------------------------------- Looking for earth-friendly autos? Browse Top Cars by "Green Rating" at Yahoo! Autos' Green Center.

I'd need to speak to my dad, who was an expert on Wgton pubs, but he's long dead. I can ask my cousin in her later 80s what she knows, but can't promise anything. Stan -----Original Message----- From: eng-lan-warrington-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:eng-lan-warrington-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Angie Brunner Sent: 25 February 2007 20:43 To: eng-lan-warrington@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [LAN-WARR] Warrington Pubs of 1920 Hi Stan: Thanks for replying. I do have the book you mention with pictures of Market Gate showing the Crown & Sceptre. I was wondering if you or possibly anybody else may know something about that particular pub. I guess no matter how long one has been away their roots never whither! Angie ** PLEASE CHANGE YOUR SUBJECT HEADING WHEN E-MAILING THE LIST ** ** PLEASE REMOVE "signatures" from your e-mails to facilitate easier searching of the archives ** ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-LAN-WARRINGTON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I think what I said is the pub had been replaced by new buildings. There is still a frontage but it's not the same as in the 1950s, but is new brick, and is housing property. It bears no resemblance to the pub as it was in the 1950s. I don't think the coaching yard has survived at the back, there was a wooden gate (with an inset gate for people) off Eldon St, into a large open and paved space, the old coaching yard, and then a little annexe extending out from the pub itself, with glass pannelled walls for visibility, where children could sit without being compromised by the boozing. The frontage on Church St is definitely not the same ,and the little shop of Mr Lomax's on the corner of Eldon St, which even we could see as kids was slummy then, though now it wd be a historical treasure, has certainly disappeared. There was also, as I recall, a large front door onto Church St for the pub. I have a photo somewhere from the 1890s, with lots of men with moustaches and cloth caps standing outside this front door, some kind of fishnig club or similar, I think. I must try to dig it out from my boxes and files and scan it for colleagues... Stan -----Original Message----- From: eng-lan-warrington-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:eng-lan-warrington-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Syl Walsh Sent: 25 February 2007 18:24 To: eng-lan-warrington@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [LAN-WARR] [SPAM] Re: Warrington Pubs of 1920 With reference to you saying that The General Wolfe pub has been demolished, I think you may be wrong with this information, The General Wolfe frontage building still stands although the back of it has been modernised into very nice apartments. I was a barmaid at the pub for nearly 20 years in 1970's. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stan Smith" <stan.smith1@ntlworld.com> To: <eng-lan-warrington@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, February 25, 2007 2:36 PM Subject: [SPAM] Re: [LAN-WARR] Warrington Pubs of 1920 > The black-and-white timbered buildings on Church St, Cromwell's 'Tudor > Cottages', where my grandfather Isaac had a hardware and cycle shop > from about 1916 until the 1930s, still stand. Cromwell is reputed to > have stayed 'in or near' the site in 1648, during his campaign to > defeat the Presbyterian Scots who had sprung to the defence of the > Anglo-Catholic Charles I. He probably stayed on the site of the > General Wolfe pub next door. When I was a kid this was a fine old > Victorian pub with a coaching yard, so presumably founded on an even > older site, with a little shop on its > corner, run by Mr Lomax, sellnig ice cream, etc, right opposite the Tudor > Cottages. This corner shop, built into the wall of the General Wolfe, > showed > signs of being much older, possibly also 16th-17th century. Both pub and > shop are now demolished and replaced with undistinguished modern > buildings, > though there is a property just like it across the road and further > towards > the town centre, built into the corner of - if I remember correctly, > another > old pub, the Marquis of Granby. The shop was on the corner of what we knew > as 'Jackson's opening' or 'entry', as Jackson's pawn shopohad been on the > opposite side of the entry. That tiny shop was a cobbler's when I was a > kid, > and seems to have survived because of its attachment to the grander > building. It was rather like the single room, door open ot the street > shops > for crafts that you still ifnd in Asian and Middle Eastern towns. > > Cromwell is reputed to have defeated the Scots near Warrington Bridge > (the defeated soldiers were paraded along what thereafter came to be > called Scotland Road), which is why his statue was placed at Bridge > Foot, outside Priestley's Academy. The statue was relocated, along > with the Academy, as a result of road-widening for the new bridge in > the 70s or 80s, so was no longer visible as being on Bridge Street > when the IRA planted their bombs in > the 1990s. It's my theory that they had heard there was a statue of > Cromwell > at one end of Bridge St, looked for it and failed to find it, so left > their > bombs not near the Bridge Foot end of the street but at the top end, at > Market Gate. Two young boys were killed in the bombing. My own son and > his > son had stood near the same spot the day before. > > There was a kerfuffle on the town council when the statue was offered > to them by the Nonconformist Councillor Frederick Monks, in 1899, the > tercentary of Cromwell's birth, and it was alleged to be an > 'anti-Irish' move. It probably was, but it's a fine statue, and is > used as the icon of the Cromwell Society on their website. It has its > own chequered history, apparently giving offence to Queen Victoria and > leading her to spurn Warrington at an earlier date (I think the statue > was originally made in 1865 or thereabouts, and was intended for > placing outside the gates of the Town Hall in Bank Park). > > We always called the church the Parish Church, too, because it was; > but > the > Parish Church of St Elphins was its official name. > > Stan Smith > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: eng-lan-warrington-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:eng-lan-warrington-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Maureen > Sent: 24 February 2007 00:01 > To: eng-lan-warrington@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [LAN-WARR] Warrington Pubs of 1920 > > > Hi, Many thanks to Stan for the information on the Ring a bells. I > have > a > vague memory of the Pub and the church alongside. Did not know as St > Elphins but as Warrington Parish church...Also remember some small white > painted shops in Church Street - on the opposite side of the street to the > Church - one very small general shop was run by a lady called IDDON - I > went > to school with her daughter Jean. I imagine all these old buildings will > have gone. Last time I was in Warrington (1984) I had difficulty finding > my way around - and was surprised to see thet "Oliver Cromwell" had been > moved from his stance opposite the Packet House in Bridge Street. Thank > you > again for the information. Best regards Maureen near Brisbane where we > have the Q.E.11 in port. > > --------------------------------- > Need a quick answer? Get one in minutes from people who know. Ask your > question on Yahoo! Answers. > ** PLEASE CHANGE YOUR SUBJECT HEADING WHEN E-MAILING THE LIST ** > ** PLEASE REMOVE "signatures" from your e-mails to facilitate easier > searching of the archives ** > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-LAN-WARRINGTON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ** PLEASE CHANGE YOUR SUBJECT HEADING WHEN E-MAILING THE LIST ** > ** PLEASE REMOVE "signatures" from your e-mails to facilitate easier > searching of the archives ** > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-LAN-WARRINGTON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ** PLEASE CHANGE YOUR SUBJECT HEADING WHEN E-MAILING THE LIST ** ** PLEASE REMOVE "signatures" from your e-mails to facilitate easier searching of the archives ** ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-LAN-WARRINGTON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello Jan I've just checked in the Directory and it's listed as Ye Olde Blue Back Inne, Allen Street. Regards Celia

With reference to you saying that The General Wolfe pub has been demolished, I think you may be wrong with this information, The General Wolfe frontage building still stands although the back of it has been modernised into very nice apartments. I was a barmaid at the pub for nearly 20 years in 1970's. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stan Smith" <stan.smith1@ntlworld.com> To: <eng-lan-warrington@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, February 25, 2007 2:36 PM Subject: [SPAM] Re: [LAN-WARR] Warrington Pubs of 1920 > The black-and-white timbered buildings on Church St, Cromwell's 'Tudor > Cottages', where my grandfather Isaac had a hardware and cycle shop from > about 1916 until the 1930s, still stand. Cromwell is reputed to have > stayed > 'in or near' the site in 1648, during his campaign to defeat the > Presbyterian Scots who had sprung to the defence of the Anglo-Catholic > Charles I. He probably stayed on the site of the General Wolfe pub next > door. When I was a kid this was a fine old Victorian pub with a coaching > yard, so presumably founded on an even older site, with a little shop on > its > corner, run by Mr Lomax, sellnig ice cream, etc, right opposite the Tudor > Cottages. This corner shop, built into the wall of the General Wolfe, > showed > signs of being much older, possibly also 16th-17th century. Both pub and > shop are now demolished and replaced with undistinguished modern > buildings, > though there is a property just like it across the road and further > towards > the town centre, built into the corner of - if I remember correctly, > another > old pub, the Marquis of Granby. The shop was on the corner of what we knew > as 'Jackson's opening' or 'entry', as Jackson's pawn shopohad been on the > opposite side of the entry. That tiny shop was a cobbler's when I was a > kid, > and seems to have survived because of its attachment to the grander > building. It was rather like the single room, door open ot the street > shops > for crafts that you still ifnd in Asian and Middle Eastern towns. > > Cromwell is reputed to have defeated the Scots near Warrington Bridge (the > defeated soldiers were paraded along what thereafter came to be called > Scotland Road), which is why his statue was placed at Bridge Foot, outside > Priestley's Academy. The statue was relocated, along with the Academy, as > a > result of road-widening for the new bridge in the 70s or 80s, so was no > longer visible as being on Bridge Street when the IRA planted their bombs > in > the 1990s. It's my theory that they had heard there was a statue of > Cromwell > at one end of Bridge St, looked for it and failed to find it, so left > their > bombs not near the Bridge Foot end of the street but at the top end, at > Market Gate. Two young boys were killed in the bombing. My own son and > his > son had stood near the same spot the day before. > > There was a kerfuffle on the town council when the statue was offered to > them by the Nonconformist Councillor Frederick Monks, in 1899, the > tercentary of Cromwell's birth, and it was alleged to be an 'anti-Irish' > move. It probably was, but it's a fine statue, and is used as the icon of > the Cromwell Society on their website. It has its own chequered history, > apparently giving offence to Queen Victoria and leading her to spurn > Warrington at an earlier date (I think the statue was originally made in > 1865 or thereabouts, and was intended for placing outside the gates of the > Town Hall in Bank Park). > > We always called the church the Parish Church, too, because it was; but > the > Parish Church of St Elphins was its official name. > > Stan Smith > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: eng-lan-warrington-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:eng-lan-warrington-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Maureen > Sent: 24 February 2007 00:01 > To: eng-lan-warrington@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [LAN-WARR] Warrington Pubs of 1920 > > > Hi, Many thanks to Stan for the information on the Ring a bells. I have > a > vague memory of the Pub and the church alongside. Did not know as St > Elphins but as Warrington Parish church...Also remember some small white > painted shops in Church Street - on the opposite side of the street to the > Church - one very small general shop was run by a lady called IDDON - I > went > to school with her daughter Jean. I imagine all these old buildings will > have gone. Last time I was in Warrington (1984) I had difficulty finding > my way around - and was surprised to see thet "Oliver Cromwell" had been > moved from his stance opposite the Packet House in Bridge Street. Thank > you > again for the information. Best regards Maureen near Brisbane where we > have the Q.E.11 in port. > > --------------------------------- > Need a quick answer? Get one in minutes from people who know. Ask your > question on Yahoo! Answers. > ** PLEASE CHANGE YOUR SUBJECT HEADING WHEN E-MAILING THE LIST ** > ** PLEASE REMOVE "signatures" from your e-mails to facilitate easier > searching of the archives ** > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-LAN-WARRINGTON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ** PLEASE CHANGE YOUR SUBJECT HEADING WHEN E-MAILING THE LIST ** > ** PLEASE REMOVE "signatures" from your e-mails to facilitate easier > searching of the archives ** > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-LAN-WARRINGTON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello Stan and list, Interested in your memories of Howley Lane, as my husband's grandparents lived there-in a house called "Riverdene"-probably owned by the Tannery as grandad Buckley worked there. my husband remembers visiting -probably in the mid fifties. Jackie Nott

Hi Stan: Your comment re Rylands having started as pin makers gave me pause for thought. My mother has told me that Locker Wire Works were also involved in pin making and that they had a pin factory in their pre-wire days. Know anything about it? I have tried to find out but to no avail as yet. I have wanted to connect with any descendents of the Lockers but to no avail. However, I have been fortunate to have acquired some photos. Angie

Where do we find the photos I would love to see them. As I wrote in an email to Stan (through the list) I am doubtful my emails are getting through - I think I get all come to my inbox but not my own. Really enjoying the list - lovely to recall the Warrington of my childhood. Regards Maureen Qld Aus. --------------------------------- Sucker-punch spam with award-winning protection. Try the free Yahoo! Mail Beta.

Dear Angie It's a name only to me, but one that I certainly recognise. I was too young to frequent pubs in those days except those where I could sit outside with pop and crisps while my dad and sometimes both my parents had a drink inside, and Market Gate was the wrong idrection to go in from Buttermarket St, as it was too urban and rowdy and its pubs had no places for kids. I'm sure the Frith collection book, which has a mass of pictures pointing in all directions from the Market Gate location circa 1955, is likely to have some picture of it, or, if not, the Warrington Library / Museum site. It may be history to you, but it's my life to me! (though I left Warrington except for visiting parents in 1964) Stan -----Original Message----- From: eng-lan-warrington-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:eng-lan-warrington-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Angie Brunner Sent: 25 February 2007 16:04 To: eng-lan-warrington@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [LAN-WARR] Warrington Pubs of 1920 Hi Stan: What a wealth of Warrington history you have! Do you by any chance know anything of the Crown & Sceptre hotel at Market Gate once owned by Greenall's Brewery? I gather it is now an insurance building. I know there was a pub by that name in the 1800s then rebuilt at the time of the restructuring of Buttermarket Street. Many thanks Angie ** PLEASE CHANGE YOUR SUBJECT HEADING WHEN E-MAILING THE LIST ** ** PLEASE REMOVE "signatures" from your e-mails to facilitate easier searching of the archives ** ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-LAN-WARRINGTON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thanks muchly. I know the Andertons had it in the early '30's before moving to the White Hart (if that is the right name & spelling), then the Williamsons, followed by the Knaggs. Angie

Hello again, Stan, Could you please tell me where abouts Howley Lane was in relation to Packet House Inn and Bridgefoot. I recall Mersey Street and have an udea that if you walked along Mersey Street away from Bridge Foot you came Howley Street. I am also wondering if my emails are getting through because they do not appear back to my box (as do emails I write to other lists). Regards Maureen --------------------------------- Have a burning question? Go to Yahoo! Answers and get answers from real people who know.

Hello Stan, Thank you for all that information - I will print out and study and try to come my memory into focus about the Warrington of my Childhood. Will be back in touch, Best Regards Maureen --------------------------------- Finding fabulous fares is fun. Let Yahoo! FareChase search your favorite travel sites to find flight and hotel bargains.

Yes, Rylands's was roughly on what is now the Sainsbury site and petrol station, though the streets have been somewhat reconfigured. Howley Lane has been totally erased, so that you can't even trace its location properly in relation to the rest of the wilderness around, as have the houses that ran between the pub and the top of Howley lane, and, of course, the Rectory, set back in wild unkept grounds behind church and lane together, towards the boottmo fo the lane before int turned into the wilderness we used to know as 't'Bonk' (the Bank, I suppose). There was waste land on the corner between Church St and Howley Lane, and a big advertising hoarding, presumably where the bomb hit in 1940. Edie Hough, whose father was the undertaker Henry Hough, lived at no 2 Howley lane, and at number 4 my grandparents, Isaac and Agnes Smith, until their death in the 1940s, their son Arthur and daughter Ellen and, after their death, Arthur, Ellen and Nelly's husband Henry Minshull. There was a builders yard across the road at the top of Howley Lane, owned by my mother's brother-in-law Jim Lawton (his grandson, also Jim, is now an international sports correspondent on the 'Daily Express' or 'Mail', I think). Mrs Waddington ran a small sweet etc shop in her front room across from 4 Howley lane. Her children and grandhildren lived further down the lane. My uncle Arthur Smith was a wiredrawer at Rylands's, and once saw one of his mates cut in half, literally, by a white hot wire that had broken loose and was flailing around. The 'Warrington Wolves', so-called, used to be frequently league champions, or in the top bracket at least (I was taken as a 10-yr-old 'up for t' cup' to Wembley, in what must have been 1953), and the Warrington war-cry, 'Now the Wire!', derived from the role of Rylands's in the town's economy. Rylands actually started out as sailcloth weavers and pin-makers in 1805, and apparently supplied half the Fleet's sailcloth in the Napoleonic Wars, starting at just about the time of the battle of Trafalgar. My g-g-grandfather James Smith appears to have moved to School Brow from Newton in the 1810s to work with them as a sailcloth weaver, and this is where he met his wife Mary Foster or Forster, also a weaver, marrying some time around 1820. Rylands developed the pin-making side into wire-drawing in the second half of the 19th century, as the steam ship replaced the old sailing clipper. Stan -----Original Message----- From: eng-lan-warrington-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:eng-lan-warrington-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Alison Graham-Wells Sent: 24 February 2007 11:39 To: eng-lan-warrington@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [LAN-WARR] Warrington Pubs of 1920 Ring O'Bells is still there looking somewhat quaint ion the edge of a rather horrible housing estate. I see every week when I shop at Sainsbury's - which I think from Stan's description must stand on the old Rylands site. I had no idea where Rylands used be so thanks for the info Stan - my father's family have lived in Warrington for the best part of 200 yrs and in the latter part of the 19th and early 20th century were wire workers. I'm a Londoner born and bred have only recently moved up here with my job so these e-mail exchanges are very interesting. Alison Graham On 23 Feb 2007, at 10:02, Stan Smith wrote: > There's a picture of the Ring o' Bells as it is now at a site > called 'Olde > Worlde Pubs'. I'm pleased to see that in updating it many of the > original > features of panelling, low ceilings etc have been retained, though > it is now > 'open-plan'. I'd forgotten the beer garden, which I don't recall > ever being > used. > > Stan > > -----Original Message----- > From: eng-lan-warrington-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:eng-lan-warrington-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Stan > Smith > Sent: 23 February 2007 09:53 > To: eng-lan-warrington@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [LAN-WARR] Warrington Pubs of 1920 > > > The Ring o' Bells was, and I hope still is, right next to the > parish Church > of St Elphins, at the junction where Church Street turns into > Manchester > Road, an almost right-angle turn, opposite what used to be the > enormous > entrance gate of Rylands's wire-drawing works, where the red-hot and > sometimes white-hot glowing furnaces were sometimes visible from > the road. > One can imagine these gave its workers, one of whom until 1955 was > my uncle > Arthur Smith, a wire drawer, a thirst that the Ring o' Bells tried > hard to > slake. It is in the foreground (on a viewer's right hand) of > pictures of the > church back to the 18th century, and was originally, I believe, a > coaching > inn, just before the road left the old centre of Warrington based > on Church > St. As recently as 25+ years ago the pub retained many of its original > features, small rooms, low ceilings, a 'snug' bar and, if I recall > rightly, > an 'off-license', a small room accessed directly inside the pub > door where > children could collect ale when sent by their parents. I think the > pub was > being stripped out and 'modernised' at the time I last visited it, > which was > probably in 1980, when my dad died - it had been one of his locals > and ditto > of his family, who lived at the top of Howley Lane, just a stone's > throw > away. When this area was packed with terraced houses, both 'down > Howley' and > across the road in the wen of Streets off School Brow, many of > whose tenants > worked at Rylands's, it must have had a good regular trade, though > it must > be said there were a lot of other pubs within walking distance - the > Brickmakers' Arms on School Brow, the General Wolfe in Church St, > and the > Marquis of Granby a little further along Church St, and others in > the near > vicinity. There's a photo of church and pub circa 1955 in the Frith > Collection book 'Warrington: Photographic Memories', by Janice > Hayes, p. 47. > I don't know if this picture is on the Frith website, but it's worth > checking. The pub looks little different from its appearance in > 18th-century > prints, some of which are surely in the Warrington Museum collection. > > Stan Smith > > -----Original Message----- > From: eng-lan-warrington-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:eng-lan-warrington-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Maureen > Sent: 23 February 2007 06:30 > To: eng-lan-warrington@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [LAN-WARR] Warrington Pubs of 1920 > > > Hello, I am most interested in Pubs of Warrington. My FAIR > family > were connected with both the "Millstone" and the "Talbot". > Licensees of > the Packet House Inn in Bridge for many years from around 1913. My > GREEN > family were at the Ring a Bells Church. On my Father's side we have > Cuerdley Arms, Wellington, & Commercial Inn in the Widnes area. > Do you have a special interest in the Pubs of the area and have > you any > information on any of the above. Would be most grateful for any > details. > Regards Maureen Qld Aus. > Researching Fair,Green,Chambers,Wright, Webster, Grace. > > > > --------------------------------- > Sucker-punch spam with award-winning protection. > Try the free Yahoo! 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