Sue, It would be great if you could look up JOHN HILL, b.1789 in Burtonwood, Lancashire, a shoemaker, & family, for me please. Thank you. Sue

Hi, Does anyone know of a non-conformist church in or near Ashton-in-M that was burned down? This is all the info I have at present but I guess it would have been circa 1865 or later as a wild guess. Thanks for any ideas. -- *Bob Fearnley* www.Fearnleys.org.uk

Hi Sue, Could you please look up Edward German YEADON in the 1841 Warrington census (I believe he may have been the father of George YEADON (or YEADOM) who married one of my ancestors, Caroline CARYL in 1840) Edward Yeadon's profession (given on the marriage certificate in 1840) was Superintendant of Exise Many thanks in advance Anthony -----Original Message----- From: PT & S Kinsella [ HYPERLINK "mailto:kinceller@iprimus.com.au" mailto:kinceller@iprimus.com.au] Sent: 09 March 2006 09:55 To: ENG-LAN-WARRINGTON-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [LAN-WARR ] 1841 Census lokups I think that I have done all the lookups requested, but thought it better to let everyone know that I have a database of my own which has about 90% of Warrington on it. Its nearly finished but not quite. It is no trouble to lookup by first name, surname, age, or occupation. Feel free to ask for further information. Please be advised that if it is not on the database then you are out of luck. Cheers Sue kinsella -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 268.2.1/277 - Release Date: 08/03/2006

Hi Sue I would also loike to take you up on your kind offer! I am looking for my ggg grandmother Ann Smith b ca 1820 with daughter Margaret b ca 1839. Ann did not marry until 1842. She married James Curry at St Nicholas, Liverpool. According to her marriage certificate her father was George Smith a Flatman. Any info on George would be an added bonus. On later census Ann gave her place of birth as Warrington. Regards Maureen -----Original Message----- From: PT & S Kinsella [mailto:kinceller@iprimus.com.au] Sent: 09 March 2006 09:55 To: ENG-LAN-WARRINGTON-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [LAN-WARR ] 1841 Census lokups I think that I have done all the lookups requested, but thought it better to let everyone know that I have a database of my own which has about 90% of Warrington on it. Its nearly finished but not quite. It is no trouble to lookup by firstname, surname, age, or occupation. Feel free to ask for further information. Please be advised that if it is not on the database then you are out of luck. Cheers Sue kinsella ==== ENG-LAN-WARRINGTON Mailing List ==== ** PLEASE CHANGE YOUR SUBJECT HEADING WHEN E-MAILING THE LIST ** ** PLEASE REMOVE "signatures" from your e-mails to facilitate easier searching of the archives ** ============================== Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx

Hi Heather, I've been it to the library and have found the following reference Pigots & Co Lancashire Directory 1834 Warrington Armitage, John: Butter Market Street (Fustion Cutter) He's the only Armitage listed in Warrington, as to the occupation it was obviously a major one In the town with approx 60 people listed (I'd guess it was a type of cloth but I'm not certain, maybe Somebody else can help) Hope this helps Anthony Hi Thanks to all who replied to my last query. The search goes on.... Does anyone have access to the trade directories for Warrington? I am trying to find any records for John Armitage on either Mersey Street, Buttermarket Street or Market Street from 1800 to 1837. Thanks Heather ==== ENG-LAN-WARRINGTON Mailing List ==== ** PLEASE CHANGE YOUR SUBJECT HEADING WHEN E-MAILING THE LIST ** ** PLEASE REMOVE "signatures" from your e-mails to facilitate easier searching of the archives ** ============================== Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 268.2.0/276 - Release Date: 07/03/2006 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 268.2.1/277 - Release Date: 08/03/2006

Hi Sue, I wonder whether you could look up George NEWTON & Edward NEWTON on your 1841 database? I know nothing of George except he was the father of Edward. Edward was born c.1822 in Wilderspool, Warrington. He was living in Salford in 1846, but I wonder if he was still in Warrington in 1841. He was a draper/tailor. Thankyou Jackie Savill ----- Original Message ----- From: PT & S Kinsella To: ENG-LAN-WARRINGTON-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Thursday, March 09, 2006 9:55 AM Subject: [LAN-WARR ] 1841 Census lokups I think that I have done all the lookups requested, but thought it better to let everyone know that I have a database of my own which has about 90% of Warrington on it. Its nearly finished but not quite. It is no trouble to lookup by firstname, surname, age, or occupation. Feel free to ask for further information. Please be advised that if it is not on the database then you are out of luck. Cheers Sue kinsella ==== ENG-LAN-WARRINGTON Mailing List ==== ** PLEASE CHANGE YOUR SUBJECT HEADING WHEN E-MAILING THE LIST ** ** PLEASE REMOVE "signatures" from your e-mails to facilitate easier searching of the archives ** ============================== Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx

Hi, I'm looking to make contact with any other researchers connected to the GASKELL family whose members are as follows: Joseph GASKELL born 1844 in Warrington parents: Thomas GASKELL and Margaret (Thomas believed to have been born in Rainford, Margaret in Orrell/St Helens/Billinge) Siblings: Elizabeth, John and Sarah Joseph married Maria DAVIES in 1868 and Elizabeth DAVENPORT in 1883. Children: James, Elizabeth, Joseph, Margaret (first marriage) and Mary Ann, Phoebe, Alfred, Peter, Thomas, Bertha, Eleanor and Sally (second marriage). Joseph was a Tanner by trade and the family lived in Montgomeryshire and Shropshire in the second half of the 1800's. Would like to be able to confirm Thomas' parentage and Margaret's maiden name in particular. Regards Lisa Watson Sydney, Australia www.watsonfamily.id.au ____________________________________________________ Yahoo! Avatars A virtual you – dress up like your "Dancing with the Stars" favourites! http://au.avatars.yahoo.com ____________________________________________________ On Yahoo!7 Messenger - Make free PC-to-PC calls to your friends overseas. http://au.messenger.yahoo.com

Dear Kinsella, Could you please have a look for my family on the 1841 census. Only if you have the time. John Brimelow born 1766 Betty his wife born 1784 I don't think that any of their children would still be with them but here they are in case. 1.Elizabeth abt 1804 2. martin abt 1813 3. Reuben abt 1815 4. Simeon abt 1818 5. Rosanna abt 1821 6. Elijah abt 1824. The Brimelow name has been spelt in many different ways that I have found. Brimelow Brimilow Bromolow My John was born in martins Croft and I know that he died in Stockport, but I cannot find him in 1841 in 1851 he is in Stockport. I am hoping that he is still in Warrington. thank you very much for your assistance with this look up. Kind regards Jean Parker ( Adelaide, South Australia)

Sue, Could you check for a Charles McQUADE born 1803, wife Mary b.c. 1805 possibly five children. Many thanks Betty New Zealand ----- Original Message ----- From: "PT & S Kinsella" <kinceller@iprimus.com.au> To: <ENG-LAN-WARRINGTON-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, March 09, 2006 1:23 AM Subject: Re: [LAN-WARR ] 1841 Census Lookup for WARRINGTON - EDGAR, DRINKWATER? > To anyone who wants a lookup on the 1841 census in Warrington, I will do > this tomorrow. > Sue Kinsella > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jennifer Detta" <jjdetta@cintek.com> > To: <ENG-LAN-WARRINGTON-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, March 08, 2006 6:20 AM > Subject: [LAN-WARR ] 1841 Census Lookup for WARRINGTON - EDGAR, > DRINKWATER? > > >> Is there someone who could do a lookup at the 1841 census for Warrington? >> >> I have been all through the IGI, 1851 and 61 census(s), directories and >> also message boards to try and find a couple of elusive names. >> >> I'm looking for Thomas EDGAR Sr., listed on the 30 May 1838 marriage >> certificate (in Warrington) for son Thomas. Thomas Sr.'s occupation on >> cert. shown as Brazier, Thomas Jr. is noted as living on Bridge St., >> Glazier, Warrington. >> >> Son Thomas was born in 1816 in Warrington - not found in the IGI - it >> would be great to find either of them in the 1841 census. I found Thomas >> Jr. in the 1851 census, living at Lower Bank Street, head, mar, 35, >> Plumber and Glazier, b. Warrington. Thomas Sr. would have been born >> about 1794-96. >> >> Also looking for Joseph DRINKWATER, listed on the same marriage >> certificate as above, and father to Ann (b. 1811, Warrington and listed >> on cert. as living at Lythgoe's Lane). Father, Joseph, listed as >> Gentleman. I cannot find Joseph Drinkwater in the 1851 census. He would >> have been b. about 1791. >> >> Can someone help, or perhaps suggest another avenue? >> >> Thanks, Jennifer >> >> >> ==== ENG-LAN-WARRINGTON Mailing List ==== >> ** PLEASE CHANGE YOUR SUBJECT HEADING WHEN E-MAILING THE LIST ** >> ** PLEASE REMOVE "signatures" from your e-mails to facilitate easier >> searching of the archives ** >> >> ============================== >> Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the >> last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: >> http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx >> > > > ==== ENG-LAN-WARRINGTON Mailing List ==== > ** PLEASE CHANGE YOUR SUBJECT HEADING WHEN E-MAILING THE LIST ** > ** PLEASE REMOVE "signatures" from your e-mails to facilitate easier > searching of the archives ** > > ============================== > View and search Historical Newspapers. Read about your ancestors, find > marriage announcements and more. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13969/rd.ashx >

To anyone who wants a lookup on the 1841 census in Warrington, I will do this tomorrow. Sue Kinsella ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jennifer Detta" <jjdetta@cintek.com> To: <ENG-LAN-WARRINGTON-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, March 08, 2006 6:20 AM Subject: [LAN-WARR ] 1841 Census Lookup for WARRINGTON - EDGAR, DRINKWATER? > Is there someone who could do a lookup at the 1841 census for Warrington? > > I have been all through the IGI, 1851 and 61 census(s), directories and > also message boards to try and find a couple of elusive names. > > I'm looking for Thomas EDGAR Sr., listed on the 30 May 1838 marriage > certificate (in Warrington) for son Thomas. Thomas Sr.'s occupation on > cert. shown as Brazier, Thomas Jr. is noted as living on Bridge St., > Glazier, Warrington. > > Son Thomas was born in 1816 in Warrington - not found in the IGI - it > would be great to find either of them in the 1841 census. I found Thomas > Jr. in the 1851 census, living at Lower Bank Street, head, mar, 35, > Plumber and Glazier, b. Warrington. Thomas Sr. would have been born about > 1794-96. > > Also looking for Joseph DRINKWATER, listed on the same marriage > certificate as above, and father to Ann (b. 1811, Warrington and listed on > cert. as living at Lythgoe's Lane). Father, Joseph, listed as Gentleman. > I cannot find Joseph Drinkwater in the 1851 census. He would have been b. > about 1791. > > Can someone help, or perhaps suggest another avenue? > > Thanks, Jennifer > > > ==== ENG-LAN-WARRINGTON Mailing List ==== > ** PLEASE CHANGE YOUR SUBJECT HEADING WHEN E-MAILING THE LIST ** > ** PLEASE REMOVE "signatures" from your e-mails to facilitate easier > searching of the archives ** > > ============================== > Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the > last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx >

Although this question is not specific to Warrington, I was wondering if anyone had experience with obtaining copies of WWI military service records from the National Archives, particularly Army records? My gr-grandfather, Walter Wood, and his firstborn son, Stephen Wood, both served in the British Army. From researching the National Archives web site, it seems there is little chance of receiving copies of their military papers. Most of the British Army service records (1914-1918) were destroyed by enemy bombing in 1940. About 2 million service records either survived the bombing or were reconstructed from pension records. As a result, you have about a 40% chance of finding the service records of a particular soldier. In order to begin my search for their records, I need to know their rank, number and regiment, which I believe can be found on two series of microfilm. WO 364 for soldiers who were discharged to pension during the war, and WO 363 for soldiers who were killed, died or who survived the war. In my family, both survived the war, but I'm not sure about the circumstances of their enlistment or tenure to know which series of film would be appropriate for me. Once I have this information, then what can I expect? I haven't finished researching the National Archives web site to find how I then process my request for copies of the papers. In the meantime, I'd like to hear how your personal search efforts were undertaken and the results of your work. Lisa Hopp Seattle, WA

Hi Thanks to all who replied to my last query. The search goes on.... Does anyone have access to the trade directories for Warrington? I am trying to find any records for John Armitage on either Mersey Street, Buttermarket Street or Market Street from 1800 to 1837. Thanks Heather

Thank you so much for looking up the Edgar households in the 1841 - it's a big help. Can you tell me if you found any DRINKWATERS in Warrington in 1841 or not? Thanks, Jennifer From my previous email: I'm also looking for Joseph DRINKWATER, listed on the same marriage certificate as above, and father to Ann (b. 1811, Warrington and listed on > cert. as living at Lythgoe's Lane). Father, Joseph, listed as Gentleman. > I cannot find Joseph Drinkwater in the 1851 census. He would have been b. > about 1791.

I've not got access to the census (hopefully somebody else will be able to help) but it might be worth checking out some directories of the area around that date) A glazier might well have his name/address included in order to drum up trade, and Many have separate sections for 'quality folk etc' (try looking online here, www.historicaldirectories.org/ , or at your local main library) good luck Anthony -----Original Message----- From: Jennifer Detta [mailto:jjdetta@cintek.com] Sent: 07 March 2006 19:50 To: ENG-LAN-WARRINGTON-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [LAN-WARR ] 1841 Census Lookup for WARRINGTON - EDGAR, DRINKWATER? Is there someone who could do a lookup at the 1841 census for Warrington? I have been all through the IGI, 1851 and 61 census(s), directories and also message boards to try and find a couple of elusive names. I'm looking for Thomas EDGAR Sr., listed on the 30 May 1838 marriage certificate (in Warrington) for son Thomas. Thomas Sr.'s occupation on cert. shown as Brazier, Thomas Jr. is noted as living on Bridge St., Glazier, Warrington. Son Thomas was born in 1816 in Warrington - not found in the IGI - it would be great to find either of them in the 1841 census. I found Thomas Jr. in the 1851 census, living at Lower Bank Street, head, mar, 35, Plumber and Glazier, b. Warrington. Thomas Sr. would have been born about 1794-96. Also looking for Joseph DRINKWATER, listed on the same marriage certificate as above, and father to Ann (b. 1811, Warrington and listed on cert. as living at Lythgoe's Lane). Father, Joseph, listed as Gentleman. I cannot find Joseph Drinkwater in the 1851 census. He would have been b. about 1791. Can someone help, or perhaps suggest another avenue? Thanks, Jennifer ==== ENG-LAN-WARRINGTON Mailing List ==== ** PLEASE CHANGE YOUR SUBJECT HEADING WHEN E-MAILING THE LIST ** ** PLEASE REMOVE "signatures" from your e-mails to facilitate easier searching of the archives ** ============================== Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 268.2.0/275 - Release Date: 06/03/2006 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 268.2.0/275 - Release Date: 06/03/2006

Hello Listers Hi Heather, It MAY say deceased against the father of the bride or groom if they are dead, BUT there is no guarantee, If it says he's dead he probably is, but if it says nothing you can't just assume he is alive (I spent a fair while info on one of my ancestors, I'd assumed was alive for just such a reason) Remember the info on the certificate is what is provided to the registrar (and on some occasions people may even lie, such as Inventing a dead father for an illegitimate child) I am wondering how accurate the information on certificates is and wonder whether anyone can help. On a marriage certificate, on which the name of the father is given, is it usual for it to state whether he is deceased if he is indeed so at the time of the marriage? I have certificates for other people, which have recorded this and am wondering whether it is the norm. It would be very helpful to know, as it will help check whether I am on the right track with finding my relative. Thanks Heather -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 268.2.0/275 - Release Date: 06/03/2006

Hello Listers I am wondering how accurate the information on certificates is and wonder whether anyone can help. On a marriage certificate, on which the name of the father is given, is it usual for it to state whether he is deceased if he is indeed so at the time of the marriage? I have certificates for other people, which have recorded this and am wondering whether it is the norm. It would be very helpful to know, as it will help check whether I am on the right track with finding my relative. Thanks Heather

Is there someone who could do a lookup at the 1841 census for Warrington? I have been all through the IGI, 1851 and 61 census(s), directories and also message boards to try and find a couple of elusive names. I'm looking for Thomas EDGAR Sr., listed on the 30 May 1838 marriage certificate (in Warrington) for son Thomas. Thomas Sr.'s occupation on cert. shown as Brazier, Thomas Jr. is noted as living on Bridge St., Glazier, Warrington. Son Thomas was born in 1816 in Warrington - not found in the IGI - it would be great to find either of them in the 1841 census. I found Thomas Jr. in the 1851 census, living at Lower Bank Street, head, mar, 35, Plumber and Glazier, b. Warrington. Thomas Sr. would have been born about 1794-96. Also looking for Joseph DRINKWATER, listed on the same marriage certificate as above, and father to Ann (b. 1811, Warrington and listed on cert. as living at Lythgoe's Lane). Father, Joseph, listed as Gentleman. I cannot find Joseph Drinkwater in the 1851 census. He would have been b. about 1791. Can someone help, or perhaps suggest another avenue? Thanks, Jennifer

Posted to this list due to solicitors location! Ian :) James PLIMMER will - Letters of Administration dated October 1872 show effects under £450 leaseholds dated May 1868 from DAVIES & BROOK, solicitors in Warrington. Matthew HILTON is named as curator or guardian to James' sons Edward and James until they reached aged 21. His married daughters Elizabeth HESFORD and Jane GORNALL are also mentioned in the letter, as is John PLIMMER, his deceased son. Witnesses, Joseph Allan GORNALL of Green Lane, Stanley, baker and Peter WARD of Astley, overlooker. ----------------------------------------- Email sent from www.ntlworld.com Virus-checked using McAfee(R) Software Visit www.ntlworld.com/security for more information

Desiree, St Mary's is the Church at Great Sankey (see previous post) -2 to 3 miles from Warrington, Joe Griffiths (Publications Officer, Liverpool & S.W.Lancs. F.H.S. ) Lymm, Cheshire. ----- Original Message ----- From: "C & D Braithwaite" <colinbra@telusplanet.net> To: <ENG-LAN-WARRINGTON-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, March 02, 2006 11:30 PM Subject: BRAITHWAITE Thomas : ABSENT VOTER'S LIST > Hi to all, > > Does anyone have an idea on how to obtain or search or find web page for > above Absent Voter's List. I am trying to find Thomas BRAITHWAITE > baptized > St Mary's Warrington December 1861. > Thanks > Desiree Canada >

Hi to all, Does anyone have an idea on how to obtain or search or find web page for above Absent Voter's List. I am trying to find Thomas BRAITHWAITE baptized St Mary's Warrington December 1861. Thanks Desiree Canada