Dear Ivy, I sympathise with how you feel. But is it really true that the spot cannot be located now? Surely the council or church should have kept records and some way to locate and identify graves? John ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ivy Murphy" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, March 09, 2004 1:14 PM Subject: Re: [ENG-LAN-MIDDLETON-L] Heywoods in Middleton > Dear John > > I agree with you that it is criminal what they are doing to the graveyards > around the country. I personally have some grave papers that were paid up > in 1932 for a six person grave in Milnrow just outside Rochdale. To my > knowledge there were 3 people buried in there with a possible baby who died > at birth. So it would seem to me that as the oldest member of my family I > should have the right to be buried in that grave, however seeing as it has > all been grassed over and it is impossible to find the spot now even for > myself or either of my 2 cousins that actually used to visit the grave it > would be impossible. Fair enough I have no desire to be buried nor have my > cousins but the principal is still there. > > Ivy Murphy > Middleton Manchester > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "John Heywood" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Tuesday, March 09, 2004 11:13 AM > Subject: Re: [ENG-LAN-MIDDLETON-L] Heywoods in Middleton > > > > Dear Doreen, > > > > Yes, I'd enjoy that very much. You have to catch the brief window between > > slipping on the ice and everything disappearing as the grass grows! > > > > Is anyone in Middleton aware of how special the lupins are, or are they > just > > taken for granted because they've always been there? In the 19th century, > > people were passionately interested in nature and formed botanical clubs > > that went out on the moors looking for new species of wild flowers. I > > remember coming across an impressive stone in Middleton No3, to a William > > Worsley, I think, which proudly declares he's a botanist. Middleton is > lucky > > to have its entire society from the 18th century on still on display. One > of > > my other lines ends up in Eccles, where all the stones have been buried > > under four foot of soil to make a park. Another two end up in Cheetham > Hill > > Methodist Cemetery which has just been destroyed to make way for a > > supermarket. It's a bit worrying at the moment because since a child was > > killed by a falling gravestone somewhere in Britain, every council has had > > to identify its dangerous stones and put stickers on them. So cemeteries > are > > in danger of being seen as liabilities rather than assets. Plus the > > government is proposing to bring in legislation to allow old graves to be > > dug up and re-used. I hope Middleton recognises it has a resource - both > > historical, aesthetic and ecological - that should be protected because it > > can attract visitors to the town from all over the world. > > > > John > > > > John > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "doreen EL-AHWANY" <[email protected]> > > To: <[email protected]> > > Sent: Tuesday, March 09, 2004 10:09 AM > > Subject: Re: [ENG-LAN-MIDDLETON-L] Heywoods in Middleton > > > > > > > Hello John, > > > > > > Yes, spring 2005 is when I will be ready for the graveyard search. Have > to > > > finish indexing the burials from the PRs first. Should be finished > before > > > then - but winter is not a good time to wander around the graveyard! > > > > > > If you could manage to come over and help - that would be great. > > > Thanks a lot. > > > > > > Doreen. > > > > > > > > > --- > > > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > > > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > > > Version: 6.0.586 / Virus Database: 371 - Release Date: 12/02/2004 > > > > > > > > > ==== ENG-LAN-MIDDLETON Mailing List ==== > > > Make your own home page with IMS > > > Web Dwarf. Free HTML Editor http://www.webdwarf.com > > > > > > ==== ENG-LAN-MIDDLETON Mailing List ==== > > To unsubscribe, > > you should send the command "unsubscribe" to > [email protected] > > (if in mail mode) or [email protected] (if in > digest mode.) > > To switch from one mode to the other, you should unsubscribe from one > > and then subscribe to the other. If you > > want messages to stop, you should simply unsubscribe. > > > > > ==== ENG-LAN-MIDDLETON Mailing List ==== > Please ensure the "subject" reflects the contents of your message > http://www.vmims.com/middleton.htm

Hi John In truth I have never asked either of them I know all of the details that I need regarding the people that are in there and no one else would want to go in and I have to say that since I found out that crematoriums keep a record of the spot that they scatter a persons ashes, I have matched people up that way. My parents and my fathers mother a in a beautiful rose garden just outside Blackpool and I can go and sit there anytime I like and the best thing is I always have lovely thoughts when I am there, my fathers father was on his own in Chorlton from 1952 until 5 years ago when I managed to get his younger son (my uncle) with him. My Auntie and her mother are together in York. I feel it will be a long time before these gardens are dug up so at least I am happy. Ivy Middleton Manchester ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Heywood" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, March 09, 2004 7:35 PM Subject: Re: [ENG-LAN-MIDDLETON-L] Heywoods in Middleton > Dear Ivy, > > I sympathise with how you feel. But is it really true that the spot cannot > be located now? Surely the council or church should have kept records and > some way to locate and identify graves? > > John > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ivy Murphy" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Tuesday, March 09, 2004 1:14 PM > Subject: Re: [ENG-LAN-MIDDLETON-L] Heywoods in Middleton > > > > Dear John > > > > I agree with you that it is criminal what they are doing to the graveyards > > around the country. I personally have some grave papers that were paid up > > in 1932 for a six person grave in Milnrow just outside Rochdale. To my > > knowledge there were 3 people buried in there with a possible baby who > died > > at birth. So it would seem to me that as the oldest member of my family I > > should have the right to be buried in that grave, however seeing as it has > > all been grassed over and it is impossible to find the spot now even for > > myself or either of my 2 cousins that actually used to visit the grave it > > would be impossible. Fair enough I have no desire to be buried nor have > my > > cousins but the principal is still there. > > > > Ivy Murphy > > Middleton Manchester > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "John Heywood" <[email protected]> > > To: <[email protected]> > > Sent: Tuesday, March 09, 2004 11:13 AM > > Subject: Re: [ENG-LAN-MIDDLETON-L] Heywoods in Middleton > > > > > > > Dear Doreen, > > > > > > Yes, I'd enjoy that very much. You have to catch the brief window > between > > > slipping on the ice and everything disappearing as the grass grows! > > > > > > Is anyone in Middleton aware of how special the lupins are, or are they > > just > > > taken for granted because they've always been there? In the 19th > century, > > > people were passionately interested in nature and formed botanical clubs > > > that went out on the moors looking for new species of wild flowers. I > > > remember coming across an impressive stone in Middleton No3, to a > William > > > Worsley, I think, which proudly declares he's a botanist. Middleton is > > lucky > > > to have its entire society from the 18th century on still on display. > One > > of > > > my other lines ends up in Eccles, where all the stones have been buried > > > under four foot of soil to make a park. Another two end up in Cheetham > > Hill > > > Methodist Cemetery which has just been destroyed to make way for a > > > supermarket. It's a bit worrying at the moment because since a child was > > > killed by a falling gravestone somewhere in Britain, every council has > had > > > to identify its dangerous stones and put stickers on them. So cemeteries > > are > > > in danger of being seen as liabilities rather than assets. Plus the > > > government is proposing to bring in legislation to allow old graves to > be > > > dug up and re-used. I hope Middleton recognises it has a resource - both > > > historical, aesthetic and ecological - that should be protected because > it > > > can attract visitors to the town from all over the world. > > > > > > John > > > > > > John > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "doreen EL-AHWANY" <[email protected]> > > > To: <[email protected]> > > > Sent: Tuesday, March 09, 2004 10:09 AM > > > Subject: Re: [ENG-LAN-MIDDLETON-L] Heywoods in Middleton > > > > > > > > > > Hello John, > > > > > > > > Yes, spring 2005 is when I will be ready for the graveyard search. > Have > > to > > > > finish indexing the burials from the PRs first. Should be finished > > before > > > > then - but winter is not a good time to wander around the graveyard! > > > > > > > > If you could manage to come over and help - that would be great. > > > > Thanks a lot. > > > > > > > > Doreen. > > > > > > > > > > > > --- > > > > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > > > > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > > > > Version: 6.0.586 / Virus Database: 371 - Release Date: 12/02/2004 > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== ENG-LAN-MIDDLETON Mailing List ==== > > > > Make your own home page with IMS > > > > Web Dwarf. Free HTML Editor http://www.webdwarf.com > > > > > > > > > ==== ENG-LAN-MIDDLETON Mailing List ==== > > > To unsubscribe, > > > you should send the command "unsubscribe" to > > [email protected] > > > (if in mail mode) or [email protected] (if in > > digest mode.) > > > To switch from one mode to the other, you should unsubscribe from one > > > and then subscribe to the other. 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