Hello Doreen Thanks for that, I'll check it out. No, I don't have James and Mary in 1851, the two sons James and John moved to London by 1841 where they each married (James in 1836, John in 1842) and it's there that I'm coming from, so the only Rochdale information I have are the baptisms apart from one of John's sons, John William (b Holborn 1846), who moved back to Rochdale from London some time after 1861, married Alice Earnshaw there in 1868 and stayed. Many thanks Colin ----- Original Message ----- From: "doreen EL-AHWANY" <doreen@elahwany.freeserve.co.uk> To: <ENG-LAN-MIDDLETON-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2005 9:36 PM Subject: Re: [ENG-LAN-MIDDLETON-L] James WHATMOUGH marriage, Rochdale > Hi Colin, > > There is the following marriage at St Leonards Middleton. Though I realise > it may not be the correct one, it could be worth checking it. > > 20 March 1810. > James WATMOUGH and Mary JACKSON. > > Do you have this couple on the 51 census to see where Mary was born? > > Doreen.