Replying to both Sylvia and Doreen: Thanks for both your responses. In 41 and 51, Joseph's in Fielding St. In 61, aged 77, he's lodging in Wood St. with Mary Ogden, widow, aged 70. He's still described as a Silk Weaver, and she's a Silk Pin Winder. (Up until now I've assumed she was taking in a lodger to make ends meet, but perhaps I should look for a Ogden/Heywood marriage to see if she might have been a sister of his.) He died in July 67 back in Fielding St aged 83. His ages in all the different kinds of evidence point to 1784 or possibly 83 as year of birth. In both 51 and 61, the census states he was born in Middleton. I've been aware of the 1785 baptism to Thomas & Sarah for some time. It might be the right one. The problem is simply the lack of any further corroborating evidence. (I'm waiting for the transcript to be finished and indexed to check for possible siblings for Joseph.) Joseph himself goes on to name his own eldest son John, his second son Thomas and the rest, in order, William, Sarah, Joseph, Mary, James, Robert, Joseph. So both Thomas and Sarah are among the names of his children. He married (marriage still untraced) a woman called Alice from Thornham. The only Alice from Thornham baptised at Middleton in the right year 1786 was the daughter of John Taylor and Susannah Fallows. Susannah is not among the children's names, but then she was dead (and had died young) and so wasn't around to ensure the compliment was paid to her. A tantalizingly vague reference in Bamford's Diary could be to this man. This Joseph is likely to have been a Conservative as he was Harvey's grandfather. Bamford (born in 1788) was roughly of the same generation and they might have known each other from younger days. Bamford would be 72. This Joseph 76. Thursday 2nd 1860. Middleton. They are about forming the new Burial ground. The old wall is down, they are cutting the foundations of the new one, which it seems to me, will not be either deep enough or strong enough. The roses are all gone off Ann's grave. The radicals, or that party which calls itself such are becoming despicable in Middleton: the tories are taking fresh heart. A weaver (Joe Heywood) said that Parliamentary reform and free trade had been more hurtful than beneficial to the nation. (Stupid). 2000 silk weavers and hands generally out of work at Middleton. Bad trade arises from the dearness of the raw silk and bad trade in France as well as in England. Is the central heating installation in the Library going to schedule? All the best, John ----- Original Message ----- From: "sylvia walch" <sylvia@sylvia80.freeserve.co.uk> To: <ENG-LAN-MIDDLETON-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, April 03, 2006 10:04 PM Subject: Re: [ENG-LAN-MIDDLETON-L] HEYWOOD family at Taylor-fold Heywood > Hi John, > Where is Joseph living in 1851-61? > Is he still in Heywood or Middleton? > Regards > Sylvia > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "John Heywood" <john.heywood2@btopenworld.com> > To: <ENG-LAN-MIDDLETON-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, April 03, 2006 8:01 PM > Subject: [ENG-LAN-MIDDLETON-L] HEYWOOD family at Taylor-fold Heywood > > >> This may be clutching at straws but the publication of the Heywood St > Luke's register gives me >> a Joseph Heywood baptised in exactly one of the years I'm looking for him > in - 1784. >> He is the son of a John Heywood at Taylor-fold. His father's name is the > same as he gave his own first son. >> >> The trouble is Joseph says he is born in Middleton in both the 51 and 61 > censuses. >> Does anybody know where Taylor fold Heywood was? Was it near Thornham or > the Middleton boundary? >> Could it 'count' as Middleton? >> >> All the best to everybody, >> >> >> John >> >> >> ==== ENG-LAN-MIDDLETON Mailing List ==== >> http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~emmaw/ for free Web Editor software. >> Web space. ANY amount. ANY subject. >> RootsWeb's Freepages put you in touch with millions. >> >> > > > > ==== ENG-LAN-MIDDLETON Mailing List ==== >>==== ENG-LAN-MIDDLETON Mailing List ==== > To search the archives of this list go to: > http://searches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl?surname=ENG-LAN-MIDDLETON-L-request@rootsweb.com > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.3.4/299 - Release Date: 31/03/2006 > >