Hi Ivy Many thanks for your response and for taking the trouble to look out those addresses. I'm sorry if I've put you to any trouble, I wasn't asking for information but just giving Norman a "taster" to see if his family linked with mine. So unfortunately my e-mail didn't say everything I knew as I wasn't expecting anyone else to respond. The original 249 Oldham Road is certainly no longer there - it was a pub, the Black Horse, at the junction of Spring Vale and Oldham Road, just opposite the Hare and Hounds. It was closed in 1911 by order of the licensing magistrates as surplus to requirements coupled with the fact that it was structurally unsound, so it was probably knocked down years ago. I didn't know what 254 was, but a "2 up, 2 down" terraced house is certainly what I would have expected (that's of course assuming the road hasn't been renumbered in the last hundred years or so - but even if it has, nearly all the houses along there were of that type then). As the Hare and Hounds was no 228, that means 254 must have been about a dozen houses up from there in the direction of Mills Hill - I would guess near enough opposite Temple Street. Am I right? Again, thanks for your response Best wishes David ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ivy Murphy" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, November 03, 2003 7:08 PM Subject: Re: [ENG-LAN-MIDDLETON-L] NAMES RESEARCHING Hi David I live in Middleton and go down Oldham Road to take one of my grandaughters to school. I had a look for you this afternoon and 254 is still there, it is a mid terrace house similar to the ones on Coronation Street, but 249 is no longer there, it is a shame because there are quite a lot of properties around that area that date from the 1800's but not this one I am afraid. Ivy

Hi David You are spot on with 254 it is almost opposite Temple Street, I think it will be the original house because there is another row of terraces butted right up to that one and they are slightly higher a sure sight of later build. I did look to see if there were any year plates on them and there wasn't. As to the other one you are exactly right it is the top of Spring Vale. I did not go out of my way at all I live on Boarshaw and come up Spring Vale to get to Elm Street School (Now named Elm Wood because of a certain film) and then to drop her off by going down Temple Street into Norman Street. I just slowed down a bit. As a matter of fact I am quite interested in a few of those buildings down Oldham Road when you look at them you can see that they have had a different purpose in a previous life especially if you look at the size of some of the window lintels, I also have that handy little book about the pubs, I once got in a taxi from Oldham and asked for Middleton and the driver said to me why do you want to go there, there is nothing but pubs? Ivy