Hi Bert ... Can't yet say whether connected or not. I am stuck with James and wife Ann starting their family about 1817 in Oldham. I know that James came from Rochdale, was a hatter and no idea of parentage or siblings! No children named Betty either. Unfortunately, a not uncommon name for the period! Drats! As for the gap ... James and Ann were married until death ... as someone on another list said ... the last daughter might have been an "oops!" baby! I will keep Betty in mind if I ever figure out the parentage of James! Diane :-) -----Original Message----- From: Herbert Pemberton [mailto:pembie2@hotmail.com] Sent: Sunday, September 18, 2005 4:47 AM To: ENG-LAN-MIDDLETON-L@rootsweb.com Subject: RE: [ENG-LAN-MIDDLETON-L] Wolfenden/Wolfenden ... Rochdale & Oldham Hallo Diane, Sylvia and Joan, I believe I am descended from Betty Woolfenden and James Wilde, who married at Oldham Parish Church on 11 April 1814, but I haven't confirmed it yet. I would be interested to hear if anyone else has links to this family. Diane: one reason for the long gap between Henry and Mary Ann could be the death of Ann, and James's consequent re-marriage several years later. This has happened at least once in my ancestry. Kind regards, Bert Pemberton. ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Diane Richard" <dianelr@nc.rr.com> > > To: <ENG-LAN-MIDDLETON-L@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Saturday, September 10, 2005 7:57 PM > > Subject: [ENG-LAN-MIDDLETON-L] Wolfenden/Woolfenden ... Rochdale & >Oldham > >> Hello, > >> I am researching the Wolfenden/Woolfenden family . this has been a > >> 10+year > >> brick wall now! ;-) > >> James Wolfenden, hatter, born c. 1795 in Rochdale, married Ann ??? >(from > >> Oldham), sometime before 1817 when they have their first child. All > > children > >> were baptized at St. Mary's, Oldham. The children were William (1817), > >> James (1819), John (1821), Henry (1825), Mary Ann (1836). can't explain > > the > >> big gap between Henry and Mary Ann. James dies in 1864 and Ann in >1879. > >> So anyone researching WOLFENDEN, WOOLFENDEN in ROCHDALE or OLDHAM . we > > have > >> seen some reference (a tombstone at St. Chad's in Rochdale) stating: > >> Here resteth the body of Jonathan Woolfenden Hatter > >> who died Oct 6th 1813 in the 47th year of his age. > >> Samuel son of Jonathan Woolfenden died March 28th 1799 aged 9 mths. >Also > >> Henry Woolfenden Hatter > >> who died Jany 9th 1813 in the 79th year of his age. > >> Also Henry the son of Joseph and Mary Woolfenden Painter > >> who died Decr 23rd 1836 in his 2nd year. > >> Obviously the name of Woolfenden and the occupation of Hatter is > > intriguing > >> . though, no reference to a Jonathan in our family that I have found so > > far! > >> So, don't know if this is related and it's possible! > >> TIA for any connections, research ideas, data . basically, any > >> assistance > >> would be much appreciated! > >> Diane Richard > >> Raleigh, NC USA > >> dianelr@nc.rr.com > >> ==== ENG-LAN-MIDDLETON Mailing List ==== > >> If you are having trouble unsubscribing please contact the list owner > >> Joan > > White emmap@virtualmechanics.com > > > > ______________________________ > > > > > > > > > > ==== ENG-LAN-MIDDLETON Mailing List ==== > > Please ensure the "subject" reflects the contents of your message > > http://www.vmims.com/middleton.htm > > > > > > >==== ENG-LAN-MIDDLETON Mailing List ==== >If you have a home page with content interesting to subscribers of the >Middleton List send an email to emmap@virtualmechhanics.com > ______________________________