John I have sent Ralph Green St . Street Map Directly to you Holebottom is now a continuation of Wickentree Lane I Have sent Map separately also a web page if you look for Reuben Cheetham he was a Funeral Director at Holebottom in the 1880s which then became 91 Wickentree Lane by 1965 there is also a map showing Holebottom on this site. Yours Ness ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Heywood" <john.heywood2@btopenworld.com> To: <ENG-LAN-MIDDLETON-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, March 12, 2006 12:36 PM Subject: [ENG-LAN-MIDDLETON-L] Locations in Hollinwood, Chadderton, Failsworth & Newton > Dear Listers, > > Here are some locations of ancestors found in St Margaret's Hollinwood. > They're not Middleton locations, but I hope some one on the list can help > identify them. > > Can anyone identify > > 'Ralph green', also 'Halfstreet [Ralph green]'? > > 'Holebottom' ? A Holebottom does show up on the A to Z (and just that - > no 'street' following) over in Smallshaw in Ashton under Lyne, > which seems a bit far away to still attend St Margaret's Hollinwood from. > Was there one closer to the church? > > One location, 'Long Lane,' I think I have found on the A to Z just off > Broadway as it crosses over the M66 into White Gate. > It's just managed to avoid being obliterated by the M66. The girl born > there in 1823 later in the Censuses says she is from Newton. > I suppose it could be considered the very edge of Newton Heath, though it > looks to me to be on the boundary between Moston and Chadderton. > Does anyone know what the name White gate derives from? A toll bar? > > > John Heywood > > > ==== ENG-LAN-MIDDLETON Mailing List ==== > Create your own home page with Web Dwarf, a FREE HTML Editor > http://www.vmims.com/dwarf.htm >

Ness, Brilliant! Thank you so much. I enjoyed working through the story of the funeral director and wondering where it was all going to lead until I got to the map. Typical that they should suppress a decent name like Holebottom while leaving something as potentially disgusting as Wrigley Head in place! Thank you for Ralph green too. I wonder whether the playing fields on the other side of Manchester rd represent the last bit left of the green. The locations are important because they make it much more likely that the following sequence is one family rather than two, moving around in a small area. BAP HOL Aug 12th 1821 Benjamin s. of Richd. & Betty Ashworth, Long Lane, wea. BAP HOL Jul 20th 1823 Mary d. of Richd. & Betty Ashworth, Long Lane, wea. BRN Aug 27th BAP HOL Oct 29th 1826 Joseph Ogden s. Richd. & Betty Ashworth, Holebottom, hatter BUR Mar 9th 1828 Joseph Ogden s. Richd. & Betty Ashworth, Holebottom, 18 m. BAP HOL Mar 14th 1830 Sarah d. of Richd. & Betty Ashworth, Failsworth, hatter BAP HOL Apr 7th 1833 Ann d. of Richd. & Betty Ashworth, Hollinwood, hatter Mary is my GG-Grandmother. The remaining puzzle is that she says she's from Newton in the 61-81 Censuses and at her marriage in 1844 that her father was a weaver, whereas on other lines I tend to find the father's latest career development is the one that gets mentioned. Thanks, John ----- Original Message ----- From: "Vanessa & Dave Hughes" <hughes.familytree@btopenworld.com> To: <ENG-LAN-MIDDLETON-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, March 12, 2006 4:28 PM Subject: Re: [ENG-LAN-MIDDLETON-L] Locations in Hollinwood, Chadderton, Failsworth & Newton > John > > I have sent Ralph Green St . Street Map Directly to you > > Holebottom is now a continuation of Wickentree Lane I Have sent Map > separately > > also a web page if you look for Reuben Cheetham he was a Funeral Director > at Holebottom in the 1880s which then became 91 Wickentree Lane by 1965 > there is also a map showing Holebottom on this site. > > Yours Ness > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "John Heywood" <john.heywood2@btopenworld.com> > To: <ENG-LAN-MIDDLETON-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Sunday, March 12, 2006 12:36 PM > Subject: [ENG-LAN-MIDDLETON-L] Locations in Hollinwood, Chadderton, > Failsworth & Newton > > >> Dear Listers, >> >> Here are some locations of ancestors found in St Margaret's Hollinwood. >> They're not Middleton locations, but I hope some one on the list can help >> identify them. >> >> Can anyone identify >> >> 'Ralph green', also 'Halfstreet [Ralph green]'? >> >> 'Holebottom' ? A Holebottom does show up on the A to Z (and just that - >> no 'street' following) over in Smallshaw in Ashton under Lyne, >> which seems a bit far away to still attend St Margaret's Hollinwood from. >> Was there one closer to the church? >> >> One location, 'Long Lane,' I think I have found on the A to Z just off >> Broadway as it crosses over the M66 into White Gate. >> It's just managed to avoid being obliterated by the M66. The girl born >> there in 1823 later in the Censuses says she is from Newton. >> I suppose it could be considered the very edge of Newton Heath, though it >> looks to me to be on the boundary between Moston and Chadderton. >> Does anyone know what the name White gate derives from? A toll bar? >> >> >> John Heywood >> >> >> ==== ENG-LAN-MIDDLETON Mailing List ==== >> Create your own home page with Web Dwarf, a FREE HTML Editor >> http://www.vmims.com/dwarf.htm >> > > > ==== ENG-LAN-MIDDLETON Mailing List ==== >>==== ENG-LAN-MIDDLETON Mailing List ==== > To search the archives of this list go to: > http://searches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl?surname=ENG-LAN-MIDDLETON-L-request@rootsweb.com > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 268.2.1/279 - Release Date: 10/03/2006 > >