Hi Tony in Manchester, Would you be able to look up any KAY christenings in Manchester, 1841, for a son, born to John Kay and Rachel (Wolstenholme)? They were married at St. Leonard's in Middleton, had three children before leaving the country, but I cannot find any christening records for their children. You may have offered the explanation for that-perhaps they were christened in Manchester... Many thanks in advance for your help. Helen in Germany