Hi again, Tony in Manchester- You have helped me immensely! I have been looking for these people for three years! Now, at last, I know that John was from Oldham, and can continue my search there. The site you gave me was of further help, and I learned much valuable information about my family there. I can't thank you enough! (By the way, do you have access to the 1841 census for Oldham? I would like to learn the address of my John and Rachel W. Kay. Also, something about John's father, James, and his wife Hannah. I'm not sure where to go from here...If you have any suggestions, I would be grateful.) Thank you again, Helen in Germany