Hi Folks I am sorry I have lost track of who is looking for James HEYWOOD but if it is of any help I think I have found the one that Doreen has found the birth for on the 1861 census and there is a definite Middleton and Cheshire connection, also there is a sister in law that might be of help in identifying the correct one. Source information: RG9/2992 Registration district: Ashton Under Lyne Sub-registration district: Newton ED, institution, or vessel: 10 Folio: 98 Page: 24 18 Tonnting Street Godley Cheshire James Heywood abt 1797 Age 64 Middleton, Lancashire, England Head Godley Cheshire Sexton at St John Mary Heywood abt 1796 Age 65 Middleton, Lancashire, England Wife Godley Cheshire Housekeeper James Heywood abt 1832 Age 29 Newton, Cheshire, England Son Godley Cheshire Cotton Weaver Mary Ann Heywood abt 1835 Age 26 Compstall Bridge, Cheshire, England Daughter Godley Cheshire Cotton Weaver Alice Heywood abt 1838 Age 23 Gorton, Lancashire, England Daughter Godley Cheshire Cotton Weaver Hannah Heywood abt 1839 Age 22 Gorton, Lancashire, England Granddaughter Godley Cheshire Cotton Weaver Dorothy Brown abt 1791 Age 70 Salford, Lancashire, England Sister-in-law Godley Cheshire If this is the correct one I have saved the image if you let me know where to send it also I can follow it up on the later census if that is any help. Ivy Murphy Middleton Manchester UK -----Original Message----- From: doreen EL-AHWANY [mailto:doreen@elahwany.freeserve.co.uk] Sent: 19 September 2005 00:26 To: ENG-LAN-MIDDLETON-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [ENG-LAN-MIDDLETON-L] James Heywood in Rhodes Edward, This is not the Werneth in Oldham. It definitely states Werneth, Cheshire for the Heywood baps. 23 June 1833. James s/o James and Mary Heywood of Werneth, Cheshire. Born 21 Jan 1832. and 2 Aug 1835. Mary Ann d/o James and Mary Heywood. Werneth, Cheshire. Born 6 Dec 1834. There are a couple of earlier baps at St Stephens which may be the same couple, but they were then "of Middleton". They could have moved but wished to baptise the children at the same church as earlier ones. This is only a guess though. The New Jerusalem Chapel on Wood Street has two baptisms where the parents are shown as being from Whiting, USA!! The first was in 1898 (born 1891) and the second in 1899 (born 1886). Parents Harry and Ann Partington. This is a local surname, but I haven`t the time to check earlier census records for this. There are also baps at the Bethel Chapel on Sadler Street for a family from Derbyshire. Doreen. -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.10.24/101 - Release Date: 13/09/2005 ==== ENG-LAN-MIDDLETON Mailing List ==== Make your own home page with IMS Web Dwarf. Free HTML Editor http://www.webdwarf.com

Edward, This is not the Werneth in Oldham. It definitely states Werneth, Cheshire for the Heywood baps. 23 June 1833. James s/o James and Mary Heywood of Werneth, Cheshire. Born 21 Jan 1832. and 2 Aug 1835. Mary Ann d/o James and Mary Heywood. Werneth, Cheshire. Born 6 Dec 1834. There are a couple of earlier baps at St Stephens which may be the same couple, but they were then "of Middleton". They could have moved but wished to baptise the children at the same church as earlier ones. This is only a guess though. The New Jerusalem Chapel on Wood Street has two baptisms where the parents are shown as being from Whiting, USA!! The first was in 1898 (born 1891) and the second in 1899 (born 1886). Parents Harry and Ann Partington. This is a local surname, but I haven`t the time to check earlier census records for this. There are also baps at the Bethel Chapel on Sadler Street for a family from Derbyshire. Doreen. -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.10.24/101 - Release Date: 13/09/2005

Hallo Diane, Sylvia and Joan, I believe I am descended from Betty Woolfenden and James Wilde, who married at Oldham Parish Church on 11 April 1814, but I haven't confirmed it yet. I would be interested to hear if anyone else has links to this family. Diane: one reason for the long gap between Henry and Mary Ann could be the death of Ann, and James's consequent re-marriage several years later. This has happened at least once in my ancestry. Kind regards, Bert Pemberton. ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Diane Richard" <dianelr@nc.rr.com> > > To: <ENG-LAN-MIDDLETON-L@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Saturday, September 10, 2005 7:57 PM > > Subject: [ENG-LAN-MIDDLETON-L] Wolfenden/Woolfenden ... Rochdale & >Oldham > >> Hello, > >> I am researching the Wolfenden/Woolfenden family . this has been a > >> 10+year > >> brick wall now! ;-) > >> James Wolfenden, hatter, born c. 1795 in Rochdale, married Ann ??? >(from > >> Oldham), sometime before 1817 when they have their first child. All > > children > >> were baptized at St. Mary's, Oldham. The children were William (1817), > >> James (1819), John (1821), Henry (1825), Mary Ann (1836). can't explain > > the > >> big gap between Henry and Mary Ann. James dies in 1864 and Ann in >1879. > >> So anyone researching WOLFENDEN, WOOLFENDEN in ROCHDALE or OLDHAM . we > > have > >> seen some reference (a tombstone at St. Chad's in Rochdale) stating: > >> Here resteth the body of Jonathan Woolfenden Hatter > >> who died Oct 6th 1813 in the 47th year of his age. > >> Samuel son of Jonathan Woolfenden died March 28th 1799 aged 9 mths. >Also > >> Henry Woolfenden Hatter > >> who died Jany 9th 1813 in the 79th year of his age. > >> Also Henry the son of Joseph and Mary Woolfenden Painter > >> who died Decr 23rd 1836 in his 2nd year. > >> Obviously the name of Woolfenden and the occupation of Hatter is > > intriguing > >> . though, no reference to a Jonathan in our family that I have found so > > far! > >> So, don't know if this is related and it's possible! > >> TIA for any connections, research ideas, data . basically, any > >> assistance > >> would be much appreciated! > >> Diane Richard > >> Raleigh, NC USA > >> dianelr@nc.rr.com > >> ==== ENG-LAN-MIDDLETON Mailing List ==== > >> If you are having trouble unsubscribing please contact the list owner > >> Joan > > White emmap@virtualmechanics.com > > > > ______________________________ > > > > > > > > > > ==== ENG-LAN-MIDDLETON Mailing List ==== > > Please ensure the "subject" reflects the contents of your message > > http://www.vmims.com/middleton.htm > > > > > > >==== ENG-LAN-MIDDLETON Mailing List ==== >If you have a home page with content interesting to subscribers of the >Middleton List send an email to emmap@virtualmechhanics.com >

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In remembrance of the World War..... I have no knowledge of the flags you mention - the German flag is :- black, yellow and red horizontal equal sized stripes. Best of luck with your research. Rita. ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Heywood" <david@heatherkop.freeserve.co.uk> To: <ENG-LAN-MIDDLETON-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2005 11:01 PM Subject: Re: [ENG-LAN-MIDDLETON-L] James Heywood in Rhodes Hi Rita Many thanks for your info on the German meaning of Seelig which is new to me. I rather expect a German connection somewhere in the Heywood line if I ever get past James. I acquired some early German stamps from my father and a very interesting memorial card which I do not remember seeing while I could still ask about it and how it was. The inscription reads 'Sur Erinnerung an den Well-krieg 1914-1917'. It appears to be commemorating a gunner who served in the First World War from 1914 to 1917. Four flags are shown, clockwise from the bottom left we have: - Black (blue?) white and red horizontal stripes; white green and red horizontal stripes; a white star and crescent on a red flag ; and a black (blue?) and yellow flag with inset a green white and red Horizontal striped flag. In the middle is a tin plate photo that has suffered badly from the production process. The visible image is just under an inch in diameter and shows a soldier's head in uniform. The card measures 3Œx4œ" and the illustration was also embossed during production. David >----- Original Message ----- > Sorry I can offer no help with your query but thought you might like to > know > that "seelig" is German for 'blessed'. Maybe you have a German among your > ancestors? > > I too have german ancestry (Reneker) but have been unable to find the link > so far. My gr.gr.grfr William Reneker Astley poss. had a german mother > (?or > Grandmother?) but I can find no trace of his parents' marriage or of his > baptism (born approx 1810-15 in Lancashire). > > All the best. > Rita. > ----- Original Message ----- > I wonder if anyone can help with tracing my difficult gt grandfather and > his > roots. > >>From the census data, James HEYWOOD was born abt 1832 in Middleton (c1861 >>London), Rhodes (Middlesex, sic, in c1871 London) and Rhodes when he was >>Lodging in Middleton in c1881 with his second London born wife and their 3 >>children still in London. He is variously described as a Machine printer >>on calico, colour printer and commercial traveller etc. His first wife in >>the 1861 census was 10 years older than him, born Goodwood Sussex and also >>described as 'Do' ie a machine printer on calico. I have assumed he >>trained >>in Rhodes/ Middleton before moving to London but have not found him in the >>1841 & 1851 cd's but many sheets are unreadable, or in the transcribed >>damaged pages. Nor have I found either marriage or a death for his first >>wife before his second marriage by the time of the 1871 census. He named >>my grandfather Henry Halliwell (various spellings) Heywood and his sister >>Florence Seelig Heywood, two interesting second names. > > Any help or advice would be very gratefully received > > David > Fishguard Pembs ==== ENG-LAN-MIDDLETON Mailing List ==== Please ensure the "subject" reflects the contents of your message http://www.vmims.com/middleton.htm -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.10.20/95 - Release Date: 09/09/2005 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. 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Hello, There is a decent chance that James Wolfenden, hatter, who died c. 1890, Oldham left a will. We find in 1891 that his wife, Sarah Ann (Crossley) Wolfenden is living on her own means as a widower, at their family home with a daughter, son-in-law and their family! For someone living in the US, is there an accessible index to wills from this period? If not, where are the indexes located? Thanks much, Diane :-) Diane Richard Raleigh, NC USA dianelr@nc.rr.com

Hi David, Quite a lot of the Rhodes children were baptised at Middleton St Leonards (these have not yet been indexed for the 1830s), so you could look there. I think this is a case though where you must first find the marriages to ascertain the fathers name - there are a couple of James baptised in Middleton around the early 1830s, and this is without even looking at at St Leonards. Both are at St Stephens Chapel, but neither mention being born in Rhodes - in fact one is from Werneth in Cheshire! There will probably be further baps for a James within the same time period at St Leonards. You may do well persevering with the earlier census records (the Middleton/Rhodes ones are surname indexed) and collect the ones with a James Heywood appearing as a son. Not easy, but well worth an extra effort to get the correct families. Best of luck. I know its not so straightforward with the name of Heywood, as there are quite a lot in the area. Doreen. -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.10.24/101 - Release Date: 13/09/2005

Hi Norman Thank you for your reply to my post. You have found my problem - I do not know his parents. I have not found his 1st marriage to Elizabeth before c1861 or the 2nd to Jennet (any of 8 spellings) Mary Ann Bell in Hoxton London before c1871. He should have been with his parents in 1841 aged 9 but I have not found an entry in the Middleton area, although they might have moved to London but I am a bit reluctant to start that search after an earlier long and fruitless search of c71 only solved by the arrival of the online index. The other possibility is a baptism but I still have to make a visit to look for one. Can anyone advise where I should look for a Rhodes Baptism. Sorry but the other names you give to not link to any in my tree at present David ----- Original Message ----- > Hello David, > Who were the parents of your James HEYWOOD.? > I have a James HEYWOOD, (father, William, mother, Ann TAYLOR), who married > a > Mary Hannah CHEETHAM in St. Mary`s, Prestwich in 1861. > The 1st. born, Mary Ann HEYWOOD married a Richard VERITY IN 1883. > The VERITY`s are my family line. > Norm. > ----- Original Message ----- >> I wonder if anyone can help with tracing my difficult gt grandfather and > his roots. >> >> >From the census data, James HEYWOOD was born abt 1832 in Middleton >> >(c1861 > London), Rhodes (Middlesex, sic, in c1871 London) and Rhodes when he was > Lodging in Middleton in c1881 with his second London born wife and their 3 > children still in London. He is variously described as a Machine printer > on > calico, colour printer and commercial traveller etc. His first wife in > the > 1861 census was 10 years older than him, born Goodwood Sussex and also > described as 'Do' ie a machine printer on calico. I have assumed he > trained > in Rhodes/ Middleton before moving to London but have not found him in the > 1841 & 1851 cd's but many sheets are unreadable, or in the transcribed > damaged pages. Nor have I found either marriage or a death for his first > wife before his second marriage by the time of the 1871 census. He named > my > grandfather Henry Halliwell (various spellings) Heywood and his sister > Florence Seelig Heywood, two interesting second names. >> >> Any help or advice would be very gratefully received >> >> David >> Fishguard Pembs

Hi Rita Many thanks for your info on the German meaning of Seelig which is new to me. I rather expect a German connection somewhere in the Heywood line if I ever get past James. I acquired some early German stamps from my father and a very interesting memorial card which I do not remember seeing while I could still ask about it and how it was. The inscription reads 'Sur Erinnerung an den Well-krieg 1914-1917'. It appears to be commemorating a gunner who served in the First World War from 1914 to 1917. Four flags are shown, clockwise from the bottom left we have: - Black (blue?) white and red horizontal stripes; white green and red horizontal stripes; a white star and crescent on a red flag ; and a black (blue?) and yellow flag with inset a green white and red Horizontal striped flag. In the middle is a tin plate photo that has suffered badly from the production process. The visible image is just under an inch in diameter and shows a soldier's head in uniform. The card measures 3¼x4½" and the illustration was also embossed during production. David >----- Original Message ----- > Sorry I can offer no help with your query but thought you might like to > know > that "seelig" is German for 'blessed'. Maybe you have a German among your > ancestors? > > I too have german ancestry (Reneker) but have been unable to find the link > so far. My gr.gr.grfr William Reneker Astley poss. had a german mother > (?or > Grandmother?) but I can find no trace of his parents' marriage or of his > baptism (born approx 1810-15 in Lancashire). > > All the best. > Rita. > ----- Original Message ----- > I wonder if anyone can help with tracing my difficult gt grandfather and > his > roots. > >>From the census data, James HEYWOOD was born abt 1832 in Middleton (c1861 >>London), Rhodes (Middlesex, sic, in c1871 London) and Rhodes when he was >>Lodging in Middleton in c1881 with his second London born wife and their 3 >>children still in London. He is variously described as a Machine printer >>on calico, colour printer and commercial traveller etc. His first wife in >>the 1861 census was 10 years older than him, born Goodwood Sussex and also >>described as 'Do' ie a machine printer on calico. I have assumed he >>trained >>in Rhodes/ Middleton before moving to London but have not found him in the >>1841 & 1851 cd's but many sheets are unreadable, or in the transcribed >>damaged pages. Nor have I found either marriage or a death for his first >>wife before his second marriage by the time of the 1871 census. He named >>my grandfather Henry Halliwell (various spellings) Heywood and his sister >>Florence Seelig Heywood, two interesting second names. > > Any help or advice would be very gratefully received > > David > Fishguard Pembs

In a message dated 9/14/2005 4:02:23 PM Mountain Daylight Time, david@heatherkop.freeserve.co.uk writes: Can anyone advise where I should look for a Rhodes Baptism. I believe there were scores of them at St. Chad's, Saddleworth, which is about 7.2 miles east of Middleton. Might be worth checking: _http://www.saddleworth-historical-society.org.uk/_ (http://www.saddleworth-historical-society.org.uk/) Best wishes....mary lou sun valley, id usa

Hi Folks I just thought seeing as we are talking about WOLFENDEN/WOOLFENDEN I would post mine as someone may know them. They ALL were born and bred in ROCHDALE. Robert WOOLFENDEN b.1822 Stone Mason m.1842 Betty BRIERLEY b.1823 Children:- Samuel Brierley WOOLFENDEN b1842 - d.1875 Wool Agent Mary WOOLFENDEN b. 1845 - 1908 m.1878 William Henry FIELD b.1840 - d.1881 Currier Robert WOOLFENDEN b.1849 - d.1893 Cotton Weaver m. 1874 Margaret Ann Heaton Children:- Robert WOOLFENDEN b.1877 Harold WOOLFENDEN b.1878 Edgar WOOLFENDEN b. 1884 Percy WOOLFENDEN b. 1887 - d.1961 Shuttle Finisher Percy was married around 1917 to Fanny DORRELL nee AYTON (My Grandmother and her second husband) If anyone recognizes any of these people I would be pleased to hear about it. Ivy Murphy Middleton Manchester UK

Hello, No Harry Wolfenden in my direct line! Don't know the children off many of the collateral lines though ... could be a Harry lurking there! Good luck with your research! Diane :-) -----Original Message----- From: emmap@virtualmechanics.com [mailto:emmap@virtualmechanics.com] Sent: Monday, September 12, 2005 7:15 PM To: ENG-LAN-MIDDLETON-L@rootsweb.com Subject: RE: [ENG-LAN-MIDDLETON-L] Wolfenden/Wolfenden ... Rochdale & Oldham > I have Wolfenden in my tree but I have not gone down that Rd. yet. Harry Wolfenden born about 1890 married mAY Poyner, they lived in OILLINWOOD AND OLDHAM. I wonder if we haqve a link? Joan Thank you for the look Sylvia. > > Yes ... they did NOT seem to show up in Directories much -- even in > Hollinwood and Failsworth where two generations of hatters lived and the > father was prosperous enough to have a will ... they were listed maybe > twice! > > Appreciate the help! > > Diane :-) > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Sylvia Walch [mailto:sylvias@sylvia80.freeserve.co.uk] > Sent: Saturday, September 10, 2005 7:43 PM > To: ENG-LAN-MIDDLETON-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [ENG-LAN-MIDDLETON-L] Wolfenden/Woolfenden ... Rochdale & > Oldham > > Hi Diane, > > I have just checked the Leigh's 1818 trade directory for Rochdale, > Heywood, > Bury areas. > Surprisingly only 2 Woolfendens/Wolfendens listed ...... > Rochdale, Yorkshire St = Elizabeth Woolfenden, baker and flour dealer. > Rochdale, Cheetham St, John Woolfenden Tailor. > > Good hunting > Sylvia. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Diane Richard" <dianelr@nc.rr.com> > To: <ENG-LAN-MIDDLETON-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Saturday, September 10, 2005 7:57 PM > Subject: [ENG-LAN-MIDDLETON-L] Wolfenden/Woolfenden ... Rochdale & Oldham >> Hello, >> I am researching the Wolfenden/Woolfenden family . this has been a >> 10+year >> brick wall now! ;-) >> James Wolfenden, hatter, born c. 1795 in Rochdale, married Ann ??? (from >> Oldham), sometime before 1817 when they have their first child. All > children >> were baptized at St. Mary's, Oldham. The children were William (1817), >> James (1819), John (1821), Henry (1825), Mary Ann (1836). can't explain > the >> big gap between Henry and Mary Ann. James dies in 1864 and Ann in 1879. >> So anyone researching WOLFENDEN, WOOLFENDEN in ROCHDALE or OLDHAM . we > have >> seen some reference (a tombstone at St. Chad's in Rochdale) stating: >> Here resteth the body of Jonathan Woolfenden Hatter >> who died Oct 6th 1813 in the 47th year of his age. >> Samuel son of Jonathan Woolfenden died March 28th 1799 aged 9 mths. Also >> Henry Woolfenden Hatter >> who died Jany 9th 1813 in the 79th year of his age. >> Also Henry the son of Joseph and Mary Woolfenden Painter >> who died Decr 23rd 1836 in his 2nd year. >> Obviously the name of Woolfenden and the occupation of Hatter is > intriguing >> . though, no reference to a Jonathan in our family that I have found so > far! >> So, don't know if this is related and it's possible! >> TIA for any connections, research ideas, data . basically, any >> assistance >> would be much appreciated! >> Diane Richard >> Raleigh, NC USA >> dianelr@nc.rr.com >> ==== ENG-LAN-MIDDLETON Mailing List ==== >> If you are having trouble unsubscribing please contact the list owner >> Joan > White emmap@virtualmechanics.com > > ______________________________ > > > > > ==== ENG-LAN-MIDDLETON Mailing List ==== > Please ensure the "subject" reflects the contents of your message > http://www.vmims.com/middleton.htm > >

> I have Wolfenden in my tree but I have not gone down that Rd. yet. Harry Wolfenden born about 1890 married mAY Poyner, they lived in OILLINWOOD AND OLDHAM. I wonder if we haqve a link? Joan Thank you for the look Sylvia. > > Yes ... they did NOT seem to show up in Directories much -- even in > Hollinwood and Failsworth where two generations of hatters lived and the > father was prosperous enough to have a will ... they were listed maybe > twice! > > Appreciate the help! > > Diane :-) > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Sylvia Walch [mailto:sylvias@sylvia80.freeserve.co.uk] > Sent: Saturday, September 10, 2005 7:43 PM > To: ENG-LAN-MIDDLETON-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [ENG-LAN-MIDDLETON-L] Wolfenden/Woolfenden ... Rochdale & > Oldham > > Hi Diane, > > I have just checked the Leigh's 1818 trade directory for Rochdale, > Heywood, > Bury areas. > Surprisingly only 2 Woolfendens/Wolfendens listed ...... > Rochdale, Yorkshire St = Elizabeth Woolfenden, baker and flour dealer. > Rochdale, Cheetham St, John Woolfenden Tailor. > > Good hunting > Sylvia. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Diane Richard" <dianelr@nc.rr.com> > To: <ENG-LAN-MIDDLETON-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Saturday, September 10, 2005 7:57 PM > Subject: [ENG-LAN-MIDDLETON-L] Wolfenden/Woolfenden ... Rochdale & Oldham >> Hello, >> I am researching the Wolfenden/Woolfenden family . this has been a >> 10+year >> brick wall now! ;-) >> James Wolfenden, hatter, born c. 1795 in Rochdale, married Ann ??? (from >> Oldham), sometime before 1817 when they have their first child. All > children >> were baptized at St. Mary's, Oldham. The children were William (1817), >> James (1819), John (1821), Henry (1825), Mary Ann (1836). can't explain > the >> big gap between Henry and Mary Ann. James dies in 1864 and Ann in 1879. >> So anyone researching WOLFENDEN, WOOLFENDEN in ROCHDALE or OLDHAM . we > have >> seen some reference (a tombstone at St. Chad's in Rochdale) stating: >> Here resteth the body of Jonathan Woolfenden Hatter >> who died Oct 6th 1813 in the 47th year of his age. >> Samuel son of Jonathan Woolfenden died March 28th 1799 aged 9 mths. Also >> Henry Woolfenden Hatter >> who died Jany 9th 1813 in the 79th year of his age. >> Also Henry the son of Joseph and Mary Woolfenden Painter >> who died Decr 23rd 1836 in his 2nd year. >> Obviously the name of Woolfenden and the occupation of Hatter is > intriguing >> . though, no reference to a Jonathan in our family that I have found so > far! >> So, don't know if this is related and it's possible! >> TIA for any connections, research ideas, data . basically, any >> assistance >> would be much appreciated! >> Diane Richard >> Raleigh, NC USA >> dianelr@nc.rr.com >> ==== ENG-LAN-MIDDLETON Mailing List ==== >> If you are having trouble unsubscribing please contact the list owner >> Joan > White emmap@virtualmechanics.com > > ______________________________ > > > > > ==== ENG-LAN-MIDDLETON Mailing List ==== > Please ensure the "subject" reflects the contents of your message > http://www.vmims.com/middleton.htm > >

Hello David, Who were the parents of your James HEYWOOD.? I have a James HEYWOOD, (father, William, mother, Ann TAYLOR), who married a Mary Hannah CHEETHAM in St. Mary`s, Prestwich in 1861. The 1st. born, Mary Ann HEYWOOD married a Richard VERITY IN 1883. The VERITY`s are my family line. Norm. ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Heywood" <david@heatherkop.freeserve.co.uk> To: <ENG-LAN-MIDDLETON-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2005 8:23 PM Subject: [ENG-LAN-MIDDLETON-L] James Heywood in Rhodes > I wonder if anyone can help with tracing my difficult gt grandfather and his roots. > > >From the census data, James HEYWOOD was born abt 1832 in Middleton (c1861 London), Rhodes (Middlesex, sic, in c1871 London) and Rhodes when he was Lodging in Middleton in c1881 with his second London born wife and their 3 children still in London. He is variously described as a Machine printer on calico, colour printer and commercial traveller etc. His first wife in the 1861 census was 10 years older than him, born Goodwood Sussex and also described as 'Do' ie a machine printer on calico. I have assumed he trained in Rhodes/ Middleton before moving to London but have not found him in the 1841 & 1851 cd's but many sheets are unreadable, or in the transcribed damaged pages. Nor have I found either marriage or a death for his first wife before his second marriage by the time of the 1871 census. He named my grandfather Henry Halliwell (various spellings) Heywood and his sister Florence Seelig Heywood, two interesting second names. > > Any help or advice would be very gratefully received > > David > Fishguard Pembs > > > ==== ENG-LAN-MIDDLETON Mailing List ==== > To unsubscribe, > you should send the command "unsubscribe" to ENG-LAN-MIDDLETON-L-request@rootsweb.com > (if in mail mode) or ENG-LAN-MIDDLETON-D-request@rootsweb.com (if in digest mode.) > To switch from one mode to the other, you should unsubscribe from one > and then subscribe to the other. If you > want messages to stop, you should simply unsubscribe. > > Send instant messages to your online friends http://au.messenger.yahoo.com

Thank you for the look Sylvia. Yes ... they did NOT seem to show up in Directories much -- even in Hollinwood and Failsworth where two generations of hatters lived and the father was prosperous enough to have a will ... they were listed maybe twice! Appreciate the help! Diane :-) -----Original Message----- From: Sylvia Walch [mailto:sylvias@sylvia80.freeserve.co.uk] Sent: Saturday, September 10, 2005 7:43 PM To: ENG-LAN-MIDDLETON-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [ENG-LAN-MIDDLETON-L] Wolfenden/Woolfenden ... Rochdale & Oldham Hi Diane, I have just checked the Leigh's 1818 trade directory for Rochdale, Heywood, Bury areas. Surprisingly only 2 Woolfendens/Wolfendens listed ...... Rochdale, Yorkshire St = Elizabeth Woolfenden, baker and flour dealer. Rochdale, Cheetham St, John Woolfenden Tailor. Good hunting Sylvia. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Diane Richard" <dianelr@nc.rr.com> To: <ENG-LAN-MIDDLETON-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, September 10, 2005 7:57 PM Subject: [ENG-LAN-MIDDLETON-L] Wolfenden/Woolfenden ... Rochdale & Oldham > Hello, > I am researching the Wolfenden/Woolfenden family . this has been a 10+year > brick wall now! ;-) > James Wolfenden, hatter, born c. 1795 in Rochdale, married Ann ??? (from > Oldham), sometime before 1817 when they have their first child. All children > were baptized at St. Mary's, Oldham. The children were William (1817), > James (1819), John (1821), Henry (1825), Mary Ann (1836). can't explain the > big gap between Henry and Mary Ann. James dies in 1864 and Ann in 1879. > So anyone researching WOLFENDEN, WOOLFENDEN in ROCHDALE or OLDHAM . we have > seen some reference (a tombstone at St. Chad's in Rochdale) stating: > Here resteth the body of Jonathan Woolfenden Hatter > who died Oct 6th 1813 in the 47th year of his age. > Samuel son of Jonathan Woolfenden died March 28th 1799 aged 9 mths. Also > Henry Woolfenden Hatter > who died Jany 9th 1813 in the 79th year of his age. > Also Henry the son of Joseph and Mary Woolfenden Painter > who died Decr 23rd 1836 in his 2nd year. > Obviously the name of Woolfenden and the occupation of Hatter is intriguing > . though, no reference to a Jonathan in our family that I have found so far! > So, don't know if this is related and it's possible! > TIA for any connections, research ideas, data . basically, any assistance > would be much appreciated! > Diane Richard > Raleigh, NC USA > dianelr@nc.rr.com > ==== ENG-LAN-MIDDLETON Mailing List ==== > If you are having trouble unsubscribing please contact the list owner Joan White emmap@virtualmechanics.com ______________________________

Hi David, Sorry I can offer no help with your query but thought you might like to know that "seelig" is German for 'blessed'. Maybe you have a German among your ancestors? I too have german ancestry (Reneker) but have been unable to find the link so far. My gr.gr.grfr William Reneker Astley poss. had a german mother (?or Grandmother?) but I can find no trace of his parents' marriage or of his baptism (born approx 1810-15 in Lancashire). All the best. Rita. ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Heywood" <david@heatherkop.freeserve.co.uk> To: <ENG-LAN-MIDDLETON-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2005 11:23 AM Subject: [ENG-LAN-MIDDLETON-L] James Heywood in Rhodes I wonder if anyone can help with tracing my difficult gt grandfather and his roots. >From the census data, James HEYWOOD was born abt 1832 in Middleton (c1861 >London), Rhodes (Middlesex, sic, in c1871 London) and Rhodes when he was >Lodging in Middleton in c1881 with his second London born wife and their 3 >children still in London. He is variously described as a Machine printer >on calico, colour printer and commercial traveller etc. His first wife in >the 1861 census was 10 years older than him, born Goodwood Sussex and also >described as 'Do' ie a machine printer on calico. I have assumed he trained >in Rhodes/ Middleton before moving to London but have not found him in the >1841 & 1851 cd's but many sheets are unreadable, or in the transcribed >damaged pages. Nor have I found either marriage or a death for his first >wife before his second marriage by the time of the 1871 census. He named >my grandfather Henry Halliwell (various spellings) Heywood and his sister >Florence Seelig Heywood, two interesting second names. Any help or advice would be very gratefully received David Fishguard Pembs ==== ENG-LAN-MIDDLETON Mailing List ==== To unsubscribe, you should send the command "unsubscribe" to ENG-LAN-MIDDLETON-L-request@rootsweb.com (if in mail mode) or ENG-LAN-MIDDLETON-D-request@rootsweb.com (if in digest mode.) To switch from one mode to the other, you should unsubscribe from one and then subscribe to the other. If you want messages to stop, you should simply unsubscribe. -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.10.20/95 - Release Date: 09/09/2005 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.10.20/95 - Release Date: 09/09/2005

I wonder if anyone can help with tracing my difficult gt grandfather and his roots. From the census data, James HEYWOOD was born abt 1832 in Middleton (c1861 London), Rhodes (Middlesex, sic, in c1871 London) and Rhodes when he was Lodging in Middleton in c1881 with his second London born wife and their 3 children still in London. He is variously described as a Machine printer on calico, colour printer and commercial traveller etc. His first wife in the 1861 census was 10 years older than him, born Goodwood Sussex and also described as 'Do' ie a machine printer on calico. I have assumed he trained in Rhodes/ Middleton before moving to London but have not found him in the 1841 & 1851 cd's but many sheets are unreadable, or in the transcribed damaged pages. Nor have I found either marriage or a death for his first wife before his second marriage by the time of the 1871 census. He named my grandfather Henry Halliwell (various spellings) Heywood and his sister Florence Seelig Heywood, two interesting second names. Any help or advice would be very gratefully received David Fishguard Pembs

Hi Diane, I have just checked the Leigh's 1818 trade directory for Rochdale, Heywood, Bury areas. Surprisingly only 2 Woolfendens/Wolfendens listed ...... Rochdale, Yorkshire St = Elizabeth Woolfenden, baker and flour dealer. Rochdale, Cheetham St, John Woolfenden Tailor. Good hunting Sylvia. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Diane Richard" <dianelr@nc.rr.com> To: <ENG-LAN-MIDDLETON-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, September 10, 2005 7:57 PM Subject: [ENG-LAN-MIDDLETON-L] Wolfenden/Woolfenden ... Rochdale & Oldham > Hello, > I am researching the Wolfenden/Woolfenden family . this has been a 10+year > brick wall now! ;-) > James Wolfenden, hatter, born c. 1795 in Rochdale, married Ann ??? (from > Oldham), sometime before 1817 when they have their first child. All children > were baptized at St. Mary's, Oldham. The children were William (1817), > James (1819), John (1821), Henry (1825), Mary Ann (1836). can't explain the > big gap between Henry and Mary Ann. James dies in 1864 and Ann in 1879. > So anyone researching WOLFENDEN, WOOLFENDEN in ROCHDALE or OLDHAM . we have > seen some reference (a tombstone at St. Chad's in Rochdale) stating: > Here resteth the body of Jonathan Woolfenden Hatter > who died Oct 6th 1813 in the 47th year of his age. > Samuel son of Jonathan Woolfenden died March 28th 1799 aged 9 mths. Also > Henry Woolfenden Hatter > who died Jany 9th 1813 in the 79th year of his age. > Also Henry the son of Joseph and Mary Woolfenden Painter > who died Decr 23rd 1836 in his 2nd year. > Obviously the name of Woolfenden and the occupation of Hatter is intriguing > . though, no reference to a Jonathan in our family that I have found so far! > So, don't know if this is related and it's possible! > TIA for any connections, research ideas, data . basically, any assistance > would be much appreciated! > Diane Richard > Raleigh, NC USA > dianelr@nc.rr.com > ==== ENG-LAN-MIDDLETON Mailing List ==== > If you are having trouble unsubscribing please contact the list owner Joan White emmap@virtualmechanics.com

Hello, I am researching the Wolfenden/Woolfenden family . this has been a 10+year brick wall now! ;-) James Wolfenden, hatter, born c. 1795 in Rochdale, married Ann ??? (from Oldham), sometime before 1817 when they have their first child. All children were baptized at St. Mary's, Oldham. The children were William (1817), James (1819), John (1821), Henry (1825), Mary Ann (1836). can't explain the big gap between Henry and Mary Ann. James dies in 1864 and Ann in 1879. So anyone researching WOLFENDEN, WOOLFENDEN in ROCHDALE or OLDHAM . we have seen some reference (a tombstone at St. Chad's in Rochdale) stating: Here resteth the body of Jonathan Woolfenden Hatter who died Oct 6th 1813 in the 47th year of his age. Samuel son of Jonathan Woolfenden died March 28th 1799 aged 9 mths. Also Henry Woolfenden Hatter who died Jany 9th 1813 in the 79th year of his age. Also Henry the son of Joseph and Mary Woolfenden Painter who died Decr 23rd 1836 in his 2nd year. Obviously the name of Woolfenden and the occupation of Hatter is intriguing . though, no reference to a Jonathan in our family that I have found so far! So, don't know if this is related and it's possible! TIA for any connections, research ideas, data . basically, any assistance would be much appreciated! Diane :-) Diane Richard Raleigh, NC USA dianelr@nc.rr.com

From : ed_thomas@wxc.net.nz Subject : PRICE, Family Descendants / Relatives Date : 10th. September. 2005. Hello List Folk, I am seeking to share information with Descendants / Relatives of a Thomas PRICE, born in Wervin, Cheshire. Baptised 15 November, 1818 and died in Haslingden, RD. aged 66. He married Mary, born c1821. in Liverpool, Lancashire England. Mary, died in Haslingden RD 1892 aged 70 years..In the 1861 census Thomas and Mary, are living at Beattie ? Farm, (Sometimes) spelt Batty farm, Middleton, Lancashire. Their six children were;- Susannah, born Wervin, Dec. 1843. Edward, born c1846, Joseph Henry PRICE, born in Middleton, c1850. of whom, was at the time of the 1891 census in the Coldstream Guards, in London Barracks, aged 28 and single. In 1901 J.H.was still single living in a Lodging House, 9, Front Mill Gate, Rawtenstall, Lancashire. Occupation; Mason's Labourer. Kate aka Kitty, born c1851, Martha, born c1853 Ambrose, born Middleton, Lancashire c1855. Ambrose, married Amelia MUSK, born in Exning, Suffolk, c1856 Amelia, was the daughter Robert Musk, and Pamela BROOKS. William Price, was born in Middelton, c1857, Thomas Price, born c 1871. I would indeed, be most grateful for any information about Joseph Heny PRICE, after 1901. Best wishes to all. Ted.

Dear Listers, Is there anyone with an Ann PLATT daughter of Benjamin & Mary Ann (TURNER) PLATTon this list? I have her birth certificate & she is not part of my lot - details:- Ann was born Nov 1852 at Thornham. This cert. is free to a descendant of the above. Regards, Anita. New Zealand, _________________________________________________________________ Shop ‘til you drop at XtraMSN Shopping http://shopping.xtramsn.co.nz/home/