I've just added another photo postcard from my collection to my blog site http://sharejansphotos.blogspot.com/ and if any of you know anything that might help identify either the people or the place, I would be delighted to hear from you. There is a torn-off label on the bottom of the card, which says 'Healds' and I'm presuming this is Healds Green. The adddressee, Miss E A BENTLEY, was my husband's grandmother, who was born in Tonge, Middleton, in January 1890. Regards Janet Curran _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN Search Toolbar now includes Desktop search! http://toolbar.msn.co.uk/

Thanks very much Sylvia for thinking of me. I don't think it fits in to my family at all, but it would have been wonderful if it had, and I wouldn't have seen it on EBay! Dorothy ----- Original Message ----- From: "sylvia walch" <sylvia@sylvia80.freeserve.co.uk> To: <ENG-LAN-MIDDLETON-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, October 01, 2005 7:05 AM Subject: Re: [ENG-LAN-MIDDLETON-L] Names I am interested in > Hi Dorothy, > > Hope all is well, > Just spotted this on ebay and thought it may connect to your Wild's. > > Vellum indenture dated 11th Feb 1852 and principly names Samual Morton > Peto from Somerleyton? Hull, Suffolk and Edward Ladd Betts from Preston > Hall in Kent and Samual Wild from Middleton in Lancaster a Coal > proprietor, the document concerns a 999year lease for land called > Buerdshill Head in Thornham in Middleton in the County of Lancaster, the > west part butting the turnpike road from Rochdale to Oldham, Very ornate > first 2 words to the document illustrated with hand drawn plan, 2 red wax > seals and 2 signatures to the bottom of the document. > > The sale is nothing to do with me, I just noticed it as I was checking > through for anything of local interest. > Regards > Sylvia in Heywood > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "H & D Wakelin" <wakelins@wave.co.nz> > To: <ENG-LAN-MIDDLETON-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2003 8:05 AM > Subject: [ENG-LAN-MIDDLETON-L] Names I am interested in > > >> WILD (John and son Thomas) from Hopwood/Heywood; RICHARDSON from >> Middleton; PARR from Birch/Whittle/Prestwich area; DAWSON from Middleton; >> HARTLEY from Heywood; all before 1869. >> >> Dorothy > >> >> > > > ==== ENG-LAN-MIDDLETON Mailing List ==== > If you are having trouble unsubscribing please contact the list owner Joan > White emmap@virtualmechanics.com > >

Hi Dorothy, Hope all is well, Just spotted this on ebay and thought it may connect to your Wild's. Vellum indenture dated 11th Feb 1852 and principly names Samual Morton Peto from Somerleyton? Hull, Suffolk and Edward Ladd Betts from Preston Hall in Kent and Samual Wild from Middleton in Lancaster a Coal proprietor, the document concerns a 999year lease for land called Buerdshill Head in Thornham in Middleton in the County of Lancaster, the west part butting the turnpike road from Rochdale to Oldham, Very ornate first 2 words to the document illustrated with hand drawn plan, 2 red wax seals and 2 signatures to the bottom of the document. The sale is nothing to do with me, I just noticed it as I was checking through for anything of local interest. Regards Sylvia in Heywood ----- Original Message ----- From: "H & D Wakelin" <wakelins@wave.co.nz> To: <ENG-LAN-MIDDLETON-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2003 8:05 AM Subject: [ENG-LAN-MIDDLETON-L] Names I am interested in > WILD (John and son Thomas) from Hopwood/Heywood; RICHARDSON from Middleton; PARR from Birch/Whittle/Prestwich area; DAWSON from Middleton; HARTLEY from Heywood; all before 1869. > > Dorothy > >

Hi everyone, A general question. In the 1940's would someone wanting a divorce have to wait seven years? Would this mean one would have to be married seven years before proceeding, or separated for that amount of time? I think the waiting time changed to five years at some point, I know it was very difficult to get a divorce way back when. I'm not well up on this law having reached my Ruby. Are there any sites covering divorces? My father-in-law was a divorced man when he re-married in 1947, so i'm trying to pinpoint his first marriage. All input appreciated, thanks, Margaret. All Emails Incoming and Outgoings Checked With Norton Systemworks Which Is Kept Fully Up2 Date.

Thanks to Doreen and Colleen; I'll follow up your suggestions. Edward

Hi Edward, I received info on my family in Lancashire fusiliers through a lovely helper. Email of line for address: colleenhasell@ozemail.com.au Regards Colleen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Edward Reid-Smith" <Edward.Reid-Smith@bigpond.com> To: <ENG-LAN-MIDDLETON-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, September 26, 2005 4:32 PM Subject: Re: [ENG-LAN-MIDDLETON-L] Lancashire Fusiliers pre-WW1 > Thanks to George Warren for his reference to the Canadian Archives. What > I > would like next is some indication of (a) what does "V.B." stand for (e.g. > Fifth Battalion, Volunteer Battalion); and (b) where I might consult the > early 20th century Lancashire Fusiliers records online, published or > originals. The Edmund Chadwick in whom I am interested was from Heywood. > Ideas from those who have the good fortune still to be in Lancashire would > be most welcome!! > > Edward > > > ==== ENG-LAN-MIDDLETON Mailing List ==== > Make your own home page with IMS > Web Dwarf. Free HTML Editor http://www.webdwarf.com >

Thanks to George Warren for his reference to the Canadian Archives. What I would like next is some indication of (a) what does "V.B." stand for (e.g. Fifth Battalion, Volunteer Battalion); and (b) where I might consult the early 20th century Lancashire Fusiliers records online, published or originals. The Edmund Chadwick in whom I am interested was from Heywood. Ideas from those who have the good fortune still to be in Lancashire would be most welcome!! Edward

Edward, Have you looked at the following site? www.1914-1918.net/lancsfus.htm You won`t find any actual service records online. The surviving records are at Kew. Doreen. -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.11.3/107 - Release Date: 20/09/2005

Hi Edward I have not seen a reply on line so I will try. Go to http://www.archives.ca select Canadian Genealogy Centre" Then select "Databases" then scroll to :Soldiers of the Firsr World War" Search for your Edmund Chadwick and you will be able to get instructions to send for his record. Sincerely George Warren in Canada Edward Reid-Smith wrote: >I'm looking for the service record of Edmund "Ted" Chadwick (alias Harold >Edmund Chadwick) who served six years in Lancashire Fusiliers, 2nd V.B. >(Lancs Corporal). I take it that "V.B." means the Volunteer Battalion, as I >think that he was not a full-time soldier. The information comes from his >Canadian Army attestation papers dated 1917, to which country we believe >that he migrated with his family about 1910-1911. > >Edward > > >==== ENG-LAN-MIDDLETON Mailing List ==== >http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~emmaw/ for free Web Editor software. >Web space. ANY amount. ANY subject. >RootsWeb's Freepages put you in touch with millions. >http://cgi.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/acctform.cgi > > > >

I'm looking for the service record of Edmund "Ted" Chadwick (alias Harold Edmund Chadwick) who served six years in Lancashire Fusiliers, 2nd V.B. (Lancs Corporal). I take it that "V.B." means the Volunteer Battalion, as I think that he was not a full-time soldier. The information comes from his Canadian Army attestation papers dated 1917, to which country we believe that he migrated with his family about 1910-1911. Edward

Hi Ivy, Sorry to hear you have damaged your ligaments. I too, have had problems over the winter and summer, and hadn`t been able to arrange the recording of the M.I.`s for graveyard 3. Hoping for better luck for next spring! The indexing of the PRs however, is continuing. Doreen. -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.11.3/107 - Release Date: 20/09/2005

Hi David, The 1841 census surname index for Middleton is obtainable from Lancs FHS & HS on fiche. Best of luck Doreen. -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.11.3/107 - Release Date: 20/09/2005

Hi Eleanor First my thanks to everyone for the great response to my enquiry, and especially Eleanor who created the breakthro' I had shelved the 2 IGI christenings on the basis that; Mary is not a family name; Abram does not fit; and there are no examples for 'James son of James'. Wrong. Your mail caused me to look for a marriage on IGI for James Heywood and Mary abt 1830. Abram Heywood married Mary HALLIWELL 24 Aug 1829 Middleton by Oldham. James eldest son (my grandfather) was Henry Helliwell Heywood; so interesting. Next to c1861. In Belfield is Abraham Heywood widowed, a machine printer on calico (James trade) with 6 children & a grandson, including family names John, Ellen and Robert. (James is in London c1881) A search of the 1871 cd for Belfield has the same group plus James aged 20 born Middleton and a Machine Printer (app). Excellent except the wife is Sarah not Mary???? Back to IGI Abraham Heywood married Sarah HOWARD 28 Jul 1833 Middleton after James birth and before next son in c1851 John abt 1837. So it is possible that Mary died and James named his son after her. The IGI does not have a death/burial for her. IGI also gives christening Abram Heywood 14 Jul 1811 Middleton, parents Thomas & Margaret. & Sarah Howarth christened 26 Nov 1809 Middleton, parents Thomas & Maria. Finally, in c1881 Abraham is alive and aged 72 in Castleton with 4 unmarried children aged 32 to 39 and a 1 year old gdaug. That has to be my best result ever and again my thanks to you all. All I have to do now is prove that I have got it right this time. May take a little longer than 24 hours. Very kind regards David ----- Original Message ----- > 1. JAMES HEYWOOD - International Genealogical Index - British Isles > Gender: Male Christening: 08 JAN 1832 Middleton By Oldham, Lancashire, > England [Remove] > Mother:Mary > Father:Abram Heywood > > 2. JAMES HEYWOOD - International Genealogical Index - British Isles > Gender: Male Birth: 29 JAN 1832 Christening: 23 JUN 1833 Middleton By > Oldham, Lancashire, England [Remove] > Mother:Mary > Father:James Heywood

Hi Doreen Trust me to get the wrong one never mind. I was thinking about you the other day one of my granddaughters has just got the dates for going to St Leonard's with Rainbows and that jogged my memory didn't I promise to help you with some gravestones, I can't remember now whether it was this last spring or the next one I do know it was a long time ago I made the promise. Not that I would have been much help of late I managed to damage the ligaments in my right leg and I have been hobbling about for the last couple of months and I wouldn't fancy your chances of picking me up in that graveyard <G>. Ivy

Hi Rita Many thanks. You are quite correct, looking at the card again I can the 't' but would not have guessed the 'Z'. Regards David ----- Original Message ----- ....it should read Zur Erinnerung an den WelTkrieg....... In remembrance of the World War.....

Hi Doreen Many thanks for your suggestions. I may revisit the 1841 census perhaps with a different cd set - the one I had was not very clear and archive cd books may be better when it comes. You mention census indexes - I used the 1851 index as a first scan but am not aware of an 1841 index? I was hoping St Leonard's baptisms had been indexed. Looks like a short break in Manchester is called for before too long. I also note your priority to find the marriages. I strongly suspect the second marriage may not have occurred. It would have happened near the Hoxton area of London and I have searched many spellings with no success. Finding the first marriage between James Heywood and Elizabeth 'unknown' is harder because I have no idea where it happened. He was born Rhodes/Middleton, Elizabeth In Goodwood Sussex, they were living in London in 1861 and they could have been travelling between London and Middleton for work! I believe I have checked all the possible James Heywood - Elizabeth marriages but I am reluctant to start on H*yw**d over such a large area when the 1861 census entry might be wrong anyway! Again thanks for the help Regards David

From : Ted THOMAS. Subject : PRICE, BROWN, and SEPHTON, Date : 19th. September, 2005 I have a Joseph H. PRICE, born in Middleton, c1860, listed in the 1891 census as a Coldstream Guard. Married in 1909 to Florence G. BROWN, in the Sub-District of Whalley, Ribble, Lancashire, they had at least one daughter named Florence, born,1910 who in 1933. married Hugh SEPHTON. in Whalley, St. Mary's, Ribble, I am hoping to make contact with a descendant / relative of whom, may be able to recognize a small studio photograph of Joseph, taken of him at his approximate age of 60. presumed about the year 1920. . Kind regards to all , Ted. ed_thomas@wxc.net.nz

Hi Bert ... Can't yet say whether connected or not. I am stuck with James and wife Ann starting their family about 1817 in Oldham. I know that James came from Rochdale, was a hatter and no idea of parentage or siblings! No children named Betty either. Unfortunately, a not uncommon name for the period! Drats! As for the gap ... James and Ann were married until death ... as someone on another list said ... the last daughter might have been an "oops!" baby! I will keep Betty in mind if I ever figure out the parentage of James! Diane :-) -----Original Message----- From: Herbert Pemberton [mailto:pembie2@hotmail.com] Sent: Sunday, September 18, 2005 4:47 AM To: ENG-LAN-MIDDLETON-L@rootsweb.com Subject: RE: [ENG-LAN-MIDDLETON-L] Wolfenden/Wolfenden ... Rochdale & Oldham Hallo Diane, Sylvia and Joan, I believe I am descended from Betty Woolfenden and James Wilde, who married at Oldham Parish Church on 11 April 1814, but I haven't confirmed it yet. I would be interested to hear if anyone else has links to this family. Diane: one reason for the long gap between Henry and Mary Ann could be the death of Ann, and James's consequent re-marriage several years later. This has happened at least once in my ancestry. Kind regards, Bert Pemberton. ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Diane Richard" <dianelr@nc.rr.com> > > To: <ENG-LAN-MIDDLETON-L@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Saturday, September 10, 2005 7:57 PM > > Subject: [ENG-LAN-MIDDLETON-L] Wolfenden/Woolfenden ... Rochdale & >Oldham > >> Hello, > >> I am researching the Wolfenden/Woolfenden family . this has been a > >> 10+year > >> brick wall now! ;-) > >> James Wolfenden, hatter, born c. 1795 in Rochdale, married Ann ??? >(from > >> Oldham), sometime before 1817 when they have their first child. All > > children > >> were baptized at St. Mary's, Oldham. The children were William (1817), > >> James (1819), John (1821), Henry (1825), Mary Ann (1836). can't explain > > the > >> big gap between Henry and Mary Ann. James dies in 1864 and Ann in >1879. > >> So anyone researching WOLFENDEN, WOOLFENDEN in ROCHDALE or OLDHAM . we > > have > >> seen some reference (a tombstone at St. Chad's in Rochdale) stating: > >> Here resteth the body of Jonathan Woolfenden Hatter > >> who died Oct 6th 1813 in the 47th year of his age. > >> Samuel son of Jonathan Woolfenden died March 28th 1799 aged 9 mths. >Also > >> Henry Woolfenden Hatter > >> who died Jany 9th 1813 in the 79th year of his age. > >> Also Henry the son of Joseph and Mary Woolfenden Painter > >> who died Decr 23rd 1836 in his 2nd year. > >> Obviously the name of Woolfenden and the occupation of Hatter is > > intriguing > >> . though, no reference to a Jonathan in our family that I have found so > > far! > >> So, don't know if this is related and it's possible! > >> TIA for any connections, research ideas, data . basically, any > >> assistance > >> would be much appreciated! > >> Diane Richard > >> Raleigh, NC USA > >> dianelr@nc.rr.com > >> ==== ENG-LAN-MIDDLETON Mailing List ==== > >> If you are having trouble unsubscribing please contact the list owner > >> Joan > > White emmap@virtualmechanics.com > > > > ______________________________ > > > > > > > > > > ==== ENG-LAN-MIDDLETON Mailing List ==== > > Please ensure the "subject" reflects the contents of your message > > http://www.vmims.com/middleton.htm > > > > > > >==== ENG-LAN-MIDDLETON Mailing List ==== >If you have a home page with content interesting to subscribers of the >Middleton List send an email to emmap@virtualmechhanics.com > ______________________________

Hi Ivy, Sorry, this isn`t the one that is required.. The James that is being looked for, was born Rhodes, and was married and in London on the 61 census, and I believe he has the family on later returns. It is the 41 and 51 records that David has been unable to find - but even then, they may not be in this area. I did suggest for David to search St Leonards for a start (which haven`t yet been indexed for the 1830s). Doreen. -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.10.24/101 - Release Date: 13/09/2005

Doreen, You mentioned recently: "Both are at St Stephens Chapel, but neither mention being born in Rhodes - in fact one is from Werneth in Cheshire!" Presumably this is the Werneth near Hyde, but I wonder whether the register specifically named Cheshire. In the 1960s and early 1970s we lived in Werneth, Oldham (Lancs), which would have been across country from Middleton. Of course, there could have been family connections between the Cheshire Werneth and Middleton. Or was St Stephen's a denomination not present near Hyde? Edward