Some of my relatives were born in Middleton Lanc. England My father David Taylor was born in 1892 and married Mary Ellen Bebbington in 1889 My Father had a brother called William who was born in 1897. He married Marian in Mar 1932. Is there any way of tracing Marian. I do not know her maiden name I am also trying to trace Samuel Hollows Husband of my Fathers's sister Elizabeth Ann Taylor Married Dec 1929 I am also trying to trace Cuthbert Heaps born abt 1900 Married to Evelyn Taylor my Father's sister abt 1929. They had two children Mavis and Phillip

Hi Sarah and Janet, There were at least three St Mary's in the area in that era, Oldham, Bury and Prestwich be careful you have the right one. Sylvia. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Janet C" <janetcee52@hotmail.com> To: <ENG-LAN-MIDDLETON-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, October 16, 2005 11:17 AM Subject: Re: [ENG-LAN-MIDDLETON-L] HAMILTON HOWARTH > Hello Sarah > First let me say, I'm no expert, there are others on this list who have been > in this business longer than me and may have different answers for you! But > here are my thoughts anyway.

Hi Sylvia, This is why geneology is so difficult to do from a distance... don't know the nuances, towns, etc. Thanks for your words of caution. Sarah Hamilton

Hi Janet, Thanks for your thoughts. I have the marriage entry for Jane and Wright, but without any parents listed, hence my being stumped on this family. I will check out the IGI as you suggest. Sarah

Hello Sarah First let me say, I'm no expert, there are others on this list who have been in this business longer than me and may have different answers for you! But here are my thoughts anyway. You say Jane HOWARTH married Wright HAMILTON in 1829 at St Mary's. Have you seen this entry in the Parish Registers? and if not, where did you get the info from? I'm not sure if, in this period, the records list the names of the fathers of the couple getting married, my own research at Oldham St Mary's does not go this far back. Without getting the fathers name for Jane, I would have thought that it would be almost impossible to be certain that you will have the correct Jane HOWARTH even if there is only one at Oldham. Anyway... Have you checked on the IGI for likely christenings? There are several possibilities, including the following. ( I gave up looking after these two, as it seemed such an impossible task!) JANE HOWARTH Female Christening: 09 MAY 1806 Middleton By Oldham, Lancashire, England Parents: Father: JAMES HOWARTH Family Mother: BETTY JANE HOWARTH Female Christening: 02 OCT 1808 Middleton By Oldham, Lancashire, England Parents: Father: JAMES HOWARTH Family Mother: ANN Hugh Wallis's Batch Numbers site seems to indicate that Oldham St Marys christenings are covered on the IGI for the period you're interested in:- http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~hughwallis/IGIBatchNumbers.htm but, I can't see a Jane HOWARTH (or variant) listed. If you decide that one of the entries on the IGI may be yours, you will need to check the enrty in the PR either on film at your local LDS Family History Centre, or by using a researcher or sks from one of these lists to look at it for you in a local library. Hope this has helped a little, and hope that others may also offer their thoughts and ideas! Janet C >From: Nauset01@aol.com >Hi Janet, >Thankyou for your reply and your effort. Can you or others give me some >advice? My only known Howarth relative is Jane Howarth who was married in >St. >Mary's in 1829 to Wright Hamilton. I am trying to track Jane's parents and >family and thought the burial records you had might yield some clues. Do >you know >if there are baptismal or birth records for that church? > >Sarah Hamilton >US/Massachusetts > _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN Search Toolbar now includes Desktop search! http://toolbar.msn.co.uk/

Hello Susan There is only one HAMILTON burial listed on the Oldham St Mary's burials CD - this is it:- 25 Apr 1854 Alfred HAMILTON, son of Peter & Hannah, age 3, abode Bottom of Moor, a morning burial There are (surprisingly) only 5 HAWORTHS, and all are between 1698 and 1727. There are hundreds of HOWARTHs, but no Janes and only one Joseph after 1829. THis is him:- 15 Aug 1849 Joseph HOWARTH, aged 61, of Townfield hth Janet Curran >From: Nauset01@aol.com >Would it be an imposition on you to look for Hamilton (Wright, John, >Hannah, >Jane, William, Thomas, Sally, Robert James, George, Esther) or Howarth >(Haworth) - Jane, Joseph, or others in late 1700s through mid-1800s? My >grandmother >(Howarth)/grandfather(Hamilton) X5 were married there in 1829. Any help >would >be much appreciated. > >Sarah Hamilton _________________________________________________________________ MSN Messenger 7.5 is now out. Download it for FREE here. http://messenger.msn.co.uk

Hi Janet, Thankyou for your reply and your effort. Can you or others give me some advice? My only known Howarth relative is Jane Howarth who was married in St. Mary's in 1829 to Wright Hamilton. I am trying to track Jane's parents and family and thought the burial records you had might yield some clues. Do you know if there are baptismal or birth records for that church? Sarah Hamilton US/Massachusetts

Janet, Would it be an imposition on you to look for Hamilton (Wright, John, Hannah, Jane, William, Thomas, Sally, Robert James, George, Esther) or Howarth (Haworth) - Jane, Joseph, or others in late 1700s through mid-1800s? My grandmother (Howarth)/grandfather(Hamilton) X5 were married there in 1829. Any help would be much appreciated. Sarah Hamilton US/Massachusetts

Doreen, Janet C, Thanks. Now that the replies to my Joseph Hulse enquiry have petered out I can thank you both for your look-ups. Ruling out Oldham and Middleton leaves Prestwich as the remaining possibility for Martha Hulse's burial, although I believe that period, around 1815, hasn't been indexed anywhere yet. Doreen, The Joseph Hulse you found was mine and its nice to see that his burial record was correct. I've only recently got his death certificate after following a hunch. On his death certificate his surname has been spelt Holse and that's what appears in the FreeBMD and LancsBMD indexes, but with Holse being an extremely uncommon surname it was worth a try. Regards, Dom O'Malley.

Would sks be able to look up the 1861 census for George H BINNS b 1848 in Oldham please. Interested in family members TI A Elizabeth

Hello John, I haven`t heard anything about a 3rd series but it would be great if there was going to be one. I`ll ask Geoff Wellens next time I see him. Doreen.

Hi Elizabeth RG 9 3014 31 22 Oldham below Town (St Mary's Ecclesiastical dist) Wood Street George BINNS, Head, M, 42, Michanic "Iron turner", Yorkshire Leyland? Sarah BINNS, Wife, M, 41, Yorkshire Elland Hannah BINNS, Daur, 14, Cotton weaver, Lancs Oldham George BINNS, Son, 12, Ap. Iron Turner, Lancs Oldham Elizabeth BINNS, Daur, 10, Scholar, Lancs Oldham Elizabeth H. BOULS?, (the word WATSON seems to have been entered in the Relation to head of family column, and crossed out) , Visitor, 15, Middlesex Chelsea Hope this helps, Janet Curran >From: "The Kellys" <warliz@slingshot.co.nz> > >Would sks be able to look up the 1861 census for George H BINNS b 1848 in >Oldham please. Interested in family members >TI A >Elizabeth > > _________________________________________________________________ MSN Messenger 7.5 is now out. Download it for FREE here. http://messenger.msn.co.uk

Doreen, The last time I was in Middleton I noticed a second volume of Middleton photos has come out in the Archive series. Do you happen to know if any more are planned? John Archive ----- Original Message ----- From: "doreen EL-AHWANY" <doreen@elahwany.freeserve.co.uk> To: <ENG-LAN-MIDDLETON-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, October 12, 2005 11:43 PM Subject: Re: [ENG-LAN-MIDDLETON-L] Parkfield > Hi Joan, > > I`m really sorry to hear your news. You have been through a really rough > time. > > Sorry, but no grave number for Peter Henry. > I`ll check the Middleton Albion for a report. This may be Monday next. > > Doreen. > > > ==== ENG-LAN-MIDDLETON Mailing List ==== > Create your own home page with Web Dwarf, a FREE HTML Editor > http://www.vmims.com/dwarf.htm > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.11.13/123 - Release Date: > 06/10/2005 > >

Hi Joan, I`m really sorry to hear your news. You have been through a really rough time. Sorry, but no grave number for Peter Henry. I`ll check the Middleton Albion for a report. This may be Monday next. Doreen.

Thanks Doreen That cleared a little mystery, I had Peter Henry as the son of John and Sarah,evidently they were his grandparents. Was there a grave number for Peter Henry?, Yes this is the correct John, I am looking for his wife. Was there a newspaper in 1887? When you have time could you please check the obit. for Peter Henry and John Many thanks Doreen for all the work you do for the list , we are very fortunate to have you and we all appreciate your help. I haven't been doing much for the past few years, my son died of cancer three years ago, then I got breast cancer and then my husband died. I am only just getting myself back together again. However, I am putting it all behind me and trying to get on with my life. Take Care Joan > Hi Joan, > The only Peter Henry Smith I have recorded has the wrong parents. > St Leonards burial. 7 Dec 1886. Peter Henry s/o Walter and Leah Smith of > Middleton. Age 11 and 3/4 years. By coroners order. > > I think I gave you the below before, but not sure. > 1 Oct 1887. John Smith of 24 Chapel Street, Middleton. Age 67 yrs. (St > Leonards - no grave number). > May not be the right one. > No Sarah after 1891 as yet, but haven`t yet finished the old cemetery > records. > > Doreen. > > > -- > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.11.14/128 - Release Date: > 10/10/2005 > > > > ==== ENG-LAN-MIDDLETON Mailing List ==== > Please ensure the "subject" reflects the contents of your message > http://www.vmims.com/middleton.htm >

Hi Joan, The only Peter Henry Smith I have recorded has the wrong parents. St Leonards burial. 7 Dec 1886. Peter Henry s/o Walter and Leah Smith of Middleton. Age 11 and 3/4 years. By coroners order. I think I gave you the below before, but not sure. 1 Oct 1887. John Smith of 24 Chapel Street, Middleton. Age 67 yrs. (St Leonards - no grave number). May not be the right one. No Sarah after 1891 as yet, but haven`t yet finished the old cemetery records. Doreen. -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.11.14/128 - Release Date: 10/10/2005

Sorry, don`t know anything about Prestwich baps, but have a feeling there isn`t any yet transcribed. I only have Prestwich marriages up to 1800 - none later. Doreen. -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.11.14/128 - Release Date: 10/10/2005

Thanks Janet They are my relatives Eunice ----- Original Message ----- From: "Janet C" <janetcee52@hotmail.com> To: <ENG-LAN-MIDDLETON-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, October 10, 2005 2:42 PM Subject: RE: [ENG-LAN-MIDDLETON-L] Genealogy TAYLOR > Hi Eunice > > There is a family on the 1901 Census that may be yours:- > 23 Park St, Middleton > David Taylor abt 1862 Middleton, Lancashire, England Head M 39, Cotton > polisher, Middleton Lancashire > Mary E Taylor abt 1871 Manchester, Lancashire, England Wife M 30, Cotton > polisher Manchester Lancashire > Albert Taylor abt 1891 Middleton, Lancashire, England Son 10, Middleton > Lancashire > David Taylor abt 1892 Middleton, Lancashire, England Son 9, Middleton > Lancashire > Elizabeth A Taylor abt 1894 Middleton, Lancashire, England Daughter 7, > Middleton Lanc > William Taylor abt 1898 Middleton, Lancashire, England Son 3, Middleton > Lancashire > Edith Taylor abt 1900 Middleton, Lancashire, England Daughter 1, > Middleton Lancashire > > (Park St Middleton was in the parish of St Michael's Tonge-cum-Alkrington) > > Did your David Taylor marry? If you know the date, you should really get > a copy of the certificate to prove who his parents were, or at least see > the entry for the marriage in the Parish Registers. This should confirm > that you have the right family - with a name like TAYLOR there will > probably be a few candidates! > > And I think you'll have to send for his birth certificate. Since you know > the year in which he was born, this will be fairly simple. I think this > entry from FreeBMD might be him:- > > Name: Taylor, David > Record Type: Births > Quarter: June > Year: 1892 > District: Oldham > County: Greater Manchester Lancashire > Volume: 8d > Page: 725 > > The marriage of David Taylor born 1862 (the one shown as Head of household > in 1901) may be on the LancsBMD website:- > http://www.lancashirebmd.org.uk > There is one shown that could be yours, with a marriage to Mary E > Bebbington in 1889 - if you think this is yours you;ll be able to send for > that certificate too! > > Hope at least some of the above has helped. > > Good luck with your search > > Janet C > > _________________________________________________________________ > MSN Messenger 7.5 is now out. Download it for FREE here. > http://messenger.msn.co.uk > > > ==== ENG-LAN-MIDDLETON Mailing List ==== > If you are having trouble unsubscribing please contact the list owner Joan > White emmap@virtualmechanics.com > >

Hi Eunice There is a family on the 1901 Census that may be yours:- 23 Park St, Middleton David Taylor abt 1862 Middleton, Lancashire, England Head M 39, Cotton polisher, Middleton Lancashire Mary E Taylor abt 1871 Manchester, Lancashire, England Wife M 30, Cotton polisher Manchester Lancashire Albert Taylor abt 1891 Middleton, Lancashire, England Son 10, Middleton Lancashire David Taylor abt 1892 Middleton, Lancashire, England Son 9, Middleton Lancashire Elizabeth A Taylor abt 1894 Middleton, Lancashire, England Daughter 7, Middleton Lanc William Taylor abt 1898 Middleton, Lancashire, England Son 3, Middleton Lancashire Edith Taylor abt 1900 Middleton, Lancashire, England Daughter 1, Middleton Lancashire (Park St Middleton was in the parish of St Michael's Tonge-cum-Alkrington) Did your David Taylor marry? If you know the date, you should really get a copy of the certificate to prove who his parents were, or at least see the entry for the marriage in the Parish Registers. This should confirm that you have the right family - with a name like TAYLOR there will probably be a few candidates! And I think you'll have to send for his birth certificate. Since you know the year in which he was born, this will be fairly simple. I think this entry from FreeBMD might be him:- Name: Taylor, David Record Type: Births Quarter: June Year: 1892 District: Oldham County: Greater Manchester Lancashire Volume: 8d Page: 725 The marriage of David Taylor born 1862 (the one shown as Head of household in 1901) may be on the LancsBMD website:- http://www.lancashirebmd.org.uk There is one shown that could be yours, with a marriage to Mary E Bebbington in 1889 - if you think this is yours you;ll be able to send for that certificate too! Hope at least some of the above has helped. Good luck with your search Janet C _________________________________________________________________ MSN Messenger 7.5 is now out. Download it for FREE here. http://messenger.msn.co.uk

Thanks Janet, much appreciated. I have found a number of my VERITY`s buried in St. Leonards cemetery, Middleton, and I thought there may have been a chance that some were buried in St. Mary`s, but alas, no. Norm. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Janet C" <janetcee52@hotmail.com> To: <ENG-LAN-MIDDLETON-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, October 10, 2005 7:54 PM Subject: Re: [ENG-LAN-MIDDLETON-L] VERITY > Hi Norman > > Surprisingly, there are no VERITYs there either. > Sorry! > > Janet C > > > >From: "Norman Archibald" <normanarch@yahoo.com.au> > >Reply-To: ENG-LAN-MIDDLETON-L@rootsweb.com > >To: ENG-LAN-MIDDLETON-L@rootsweb.com > >Subject: Re: [ENG-LAN-MIDDLETON-L] Joseph Hulse > >Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2005 19:47:40 +1000 > > > >Hello Janet, would I be imposing if I asked you to look for any of my > >VERITY`s buried at St. Mary`s.? > >The VERITY`s arrived in the Oldham area, Middleton mainly, around 1800 and > >were there well into the 1900`s > >Norman A. in OZ. > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "Janet C" <janetcee52@hotmail.com> > >To: <ENG-LAN-MIDDLETON-L@rootsweb.com> > >Sent: Monday, October 10, 2005 7:20 PM > >Subject: RE: [ENG-LAN-MIDDLETON-L] Joseph Hulse > > > > > > > Hi Dom > > > > > > I have the MLFHS transcriptions of Oldham St Mary Burials 1558-1932 (on > > > CDrom) and I've just looked at it - there are no HULSE buried there. > > > > > > Good luck with your search > > > Janet C > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > > Be the first to hear what's new at MSN - sign up to our free > >newsletters! > > > http://www.msn.co.uk/newsletters > > > > > > > > > ==== ENG-LAN-MIDDLETON Mailing List ==== > > > Please ensure the "subject" reflects the contents of your message > > > http://www.vmims.com/middleton.htm > > > > > > > > > >Send instant messages to your online friends http://au.messenger.yahoo.com > > > > > >==== ENG-LAN-MIDDLETON Mailing List ==== > >To unsubscribe, > >you should send the command "unsubscribe" to > >ENG-LAN-MIDDLETON-L-request@rootsweb.com > >(if in mail mode) or ENG-LAN-MIDDLETON-D-request@rootsweb.com (if in digest > >mode.) > >To switch from one mode to the other, you should unsubscribe from one > >and then subscribe to the other. If you > >want messages to stop, you should simply unsubscribe. > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > MSN Messenger 7.5 is now out. Download it for FREE here. > http://messenger.msn.co.uk > > > ==== ENG-LAN-MIDDLETON Mailing List ==== > Make your own home page with IMS > Web Dwarf. Free HTML Editor http://www.webdwarf.com > > Send instant messages to your online friends http://au.messenger.yahoo.com