For some time now, I have been researching details of my G Grandfather, William GREENHALGH who was born in Oldham in 1843/44. I know his father to be a William also. I have been able to trace a William Greenhalgh, born 8/9/1843 to William & Hannah Greenhalgh in Oldham. Census suggests there is another William born to William & Betty Greenhalgh., of Oldham This is confirmed by the 1851 & 1861 censuses. Unfortunately I have been unable to locate a birth entry for this person, having scrutinised many web sites, e.g. LDS, Ancestry, Lancashire BMD, & Free BMD amongst others. I know that William married Jane SHEPHERD of Royton in the parish church at Prestwich on 26/10/1868. They had several children, John 1872, Mary 1875, Robert 1877, Tom 1879, Unice (Minnie) 1880 & Amy 1882. This William was the Manager of a Cotton or Fustian factory. William died at Congleton in Cheshire in 1927. Any information that you can provide or advice you can give me which might assist in clarifying the birth of William Jnr. No.2 would be appreciated. Regards Keith Jones

Dear Alan, Sadly I dont think so as my Martha's Kent name was her married name she was Thorp before marriage. Also the dates are too early. Happy hunting Ann

Hi I'm also trying to pin down my 3xGreat grandmother Martha KENT b 1824 dau of Simeon KENT .... she married James HALL in 1844 but as yet I've been unable to find her on the 41 census. Bit of a long shot but do your connections tie into my Martha or Simeon. cheers alan -----Original Message----- From: frisair@tiscali.co.uk [mailto:frisair@tiscali.co.uk] Sent: 18 January 2006 17:32 To: ENG-LAN-MIDDLETON-L@rootsweb.com Subject: RE: [ENG-LAN-MIDDLETON-L] William Kent I have Middleton "Moonraker" connections with the Kent family and my Partington ancestors. Details forwarded direct off list. Jhone Billings/Partington. ___________________________________________________________ Tiscali Broadband from 14.99 with free setup! http://www.tiscali.co.uk/products/broadband/ ==== ENG-LAN-MIDDLETON Mailing List ==== Create your own home page with Web Dwarf, a FREE HTML Editor http://www.vmims.com/dwarf.htm -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 267.14.20/234 - Release Date: 18/01/2006

Hi Jhone, I have 2 of my Emerson's married to Partington's in that area, do we connect? Francis Emerson married Ann Partington 6 March 1815 at Middleton their home was at Bowlee. Plus his sister Ann Emerson married Noah Partington 18 October 1818 at Prestwich they lived around the corner at Whittle. All for now Sylvia ----- Original Message ----- From: <frisair@tiscali.co.uk> To: <ENG-LAN-MIDDLETON-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2006 5:32 PM Subject: RE: [ENG-LAN-MIDDLETON-L] William Kent > I have Middleton "Moonraker" connections with the Kent family and my Partington > ancestors. > > Details forwarded direct off list. > > Jhone Billings/Partington. > > > ___________________________________________________________ > > Tiscali Broadband from 14.99 with free setup! > http://www.tiscali.co.uk/products/broadband/ > > > > > ==== ENG-LAN-MIDDLETON Mailing List ==== > Create your own home page with Web Dwarf, a FREE HTML Editor http://www.vmims.com/dwarf.htm > >

I have Middleton "Moonraker" connections with the Kent family and my Partington ancestors. Details forwarded direct off list. Jhone Billings/Partington. ___________________________________________________________ Tiscali Broadband from 14.99 with free setup! http://www.tiscali.co.uk/products/broadband/

Dear all, I discovered just last week that my great great grandfather William Kent was born about 1806 in Middleton Lancashire. This was according to the 1851 census when he was living in Bermondsay. I had no idea previously that my ancestors came from Lancashire so I want to learn more - by distance as i live in Syney, Australia. William's grandson also William immigrated about 1887. any information about Middleton and life in past times will be interesting to me. Judith Lee nee Kent.

Hello, There is an unnamed HILTON boy recorded in the Middleton sub district / Rochdale Registers for 1838. I suggest that you apply for this which is identified as M/1/198, asking that it only be issued if the father is .... and the mother is .... assuming you know who should be the parents. As a matter of fact the Chadderton sub district of Oldham was designated Chadderton and Tonge. The area covered Tonge , Middleton Junction and went as far into Middleton as Lark Hill, and Townley St. I surmise that the Rochdale sub district would be that part of Middleton between the Town Centre and Castleton, which itself was part of the original Borough of Rochdale -----Original Message----- From: MARSHALL HILTON [mailto:MARSHALL_HILTON@msn.com] Sent: 15 January 2006 15:21 To: ENG-LAN-MIDDLETON-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [ENG-LAN-MIDDLETON-L] Birth date for David Hilton Yes, I am aware of this David Hilton. I sent for the certificate and found he had the wrong parents. Thanks for help. Marshall Hilton ----- Original Message ----- From: Ian Saunders<mailto:vimyc@btinternet.com> To: ENG-LAN-MIDDLETON-L@rootsweb.com<mailto:ENG-LAN-MIDDLETON-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2006 11:38 AM Subject: Re: [ENG-LAN-MIDDLETON-L] Birth date for David Hilton I have in my tree several individuals who were born in Middleton, but are to be found on Lancashire BMD under the sub district of Chadderton with registers at Oldham. I note that there is a David HILTON born 1839 sub district Chadderton ref CH/1/406 on Lancashire BMD and wonder if this is your man. Kind regards Ian Saunders ----- Original Message ----- From: "MARSHALL HILTON" <MARSHALL_HILTON@msn.com<mailto:MARSHALL_HILTON@msn.com>> To: <ENG-LAN-MIDDLETON-L@rootsweb.com<mailto:ENG-LAN-MIDDLETON-L@rootsweb.com>> Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2006 2:21 PM Subject: Re: [ENG-LAN-MIDDLETON-L] Birth date for David Hilton > I have tried all indexes I can't find any results. GRO, LancashierBmd, Free BMD. > Marshall Hilton > ----- Original Message ----- > From: doreen EL-AHWANY<mailto:doreen@elahwany.freeserve.co.uk<mailto:doreen@elahwany.free serve.co.uk>> > To: ENG-LAN-MIDDLETON-L@rootsweb.com<mailto:ENG-LAN-MIDDLETON-L@rootsweb.com<m ailto:ENG-LAN-MIDDLETON-L@rootsweb.com<mailto:ENG-LAN-MIDDLETON-L@rootsweb.c om>> > Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2006 6:06 PM > Subject: Re: [ENG-LAN-MIDDLETON-L] Birth date for David Hilton > > > Hello Marshall, > > Have you checked the GRO birth indexes for David Hilton? > That would probably be the only place where you would find details of his > birth, but, not all births were registered at that time. > The Middleton church records very rarely show a birthdate (with exception of > the non-conformist chapels). > On the odd occasions a gravestone will record both birth and death dates. > > Doreen. > > > > ==== ENG-LAN-MIDDLETON Mailing List ==== > Check out the Middleton site for up-dates > http://www.vmims.com/middleton.htm<http://www.vmims.com/middleton.htm<http:/ /www.vmims.com/middleton.htm<http://www.vmims.com/middleton.htm>> > > > > ==== ENG-LAN-MIDDLETON Mailing List ==== > If you have a home page with content interesting to subscribers of the Middleton List send an email to emmap@virtualmechhanics.com<mailto:emmap@virtualmechhanics.com> > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.371 / Virus Database: 267.14.17/227 - Release Date: 11/01/06 > > -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.371 / Virus Database: 267.14.17/227 - Release Date: 11/01/06 ==== ENG-LAN-MIDDLETON Mailing List ==== Please ensure the "subject" reflects the contents of your message http://www.vmims.com/middleton.htm<http://www.vmims.com/middleton.htm> ==== ENG-LAN-MIDDLETON Mailing List ==== Make your own home page with IMS Web Dwarf. Free HTML Editor http://www.webdwarf.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.371 / Virus Database: 267.14.17/229 - Release Date: 13/01/2006 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.371 / Virus Database: 267.14.17/229 - Release Date: 13/01/2006

Marshall, I checked with a "cousin" of mine in Washington DC who has a whole line of Hiltons descended from a marriage with a Hamilton. She has a David Hilton but it's not yours. Sarah Hamilton

Yes, I am aware of this David Hilton. I sent for the certificate and found he had the wrong parents. Thanks for help. Marshall Hilton ----- Original Message ----- From: Ian Saunders<mailto:vimyc@btinternet.com> To: ENG-LAN-MIDDLETON-L@rootsweb.com<mailto:ENG-LAN-MIDDLETON-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2006 11:38 AM Subject: Re: [ENG-LAN-MIDDLETON-L] Birth date for David Hilton I have in my tree several individuals who were born in Middleton, but are to be found on Lancashire BMD under the sub district of Chadderton with registers at Oldham. I note that there is a David HILTON born 1839 sub district Chadderton ref CH/1/406 on Lancashire BMD and wonder if this is your man. Kind regards Ian Saunders ----- Original Message ----- From: "MARSHALL HILTON" <MARSHALL_HILTON@msn.com<mailto:MARSHALL_HILTON@msn.com>> To: <ENG-LAN-MIDDLETON-L@rootsweb.com<mailto:ENG-LAN-MIDDLETON-L@rootsweb.com>> Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2006 2:21 PM Subject: Re: [ENG-LAN-MIDDLETON-L] Birth date for David Hilton > I have tried all indexes I can't find any results. GRO, LancashierBmd, Free BMD. > Marshall Hilton > ----- Original Message ----- > From: doreen EL-AHWANY<mailto:doreen@elahwany.freeserve.co.uk<mailto:doreen@elahwany.freeserve.co.uk>> > To: ENG-LAN-MIDDLETON-L@rootsweb.com<mailto:ENG-LAN-MIDDLETON-L@rootsweb.com<mailto:ENG-LAN-MIDDLETON-L@rootsweb.com<mailto:ENG-LAN-MIDDLETON-L@rootsweb.com>> > Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2006 6:06 PM > Subject: Re: [ENG-LAN-MIDDLETON-L] Birth date for David Hilton > > > Hello Marshall, > > Have you checked the GRO birth indexes for David Hilton? > That would probably be the only place where you would find details of his > birth, but, not all births were registered at that time. > The Middleton church records very rarely show a birthdate (with exception of > the non-conformist chapels). > On the odd occasions a gravestone will record both birth and death dates. > > Doreen. > > > > ==== ENG-LAN-MIDDLETON Mailing List ==== > Check out the Middleton site for up-dates > http://www.vmims.com/middleton.htm<http://www.vmims.com/middleton.htm<http://www.vmims.com/middleton.htm<http://www.vmims.com/middleton.htm>> > > > > ==== ENG-LAN-MIDDLETON Mailing List ==== > If you have a home page with content interesting to subscribers of the Middleton List send an email to emmap@virtualmechhanics.com<mailto:emmap@virtualmechhanics.com> > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.371 / Virus Database: 267.14.17/227 - Release Date: 11/01/06 > > -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.371 / Virus Database: 267.14.17/227 - Release Date: 11/01/06 ==== ENG-LAN-MIDDLETON Mailing List ==== Please ensure the "subject" reflects the contents of your message http://www.vmims.com/middleton.htm<http://www.vmims.com/middleton.htm>

I have in my tree several individuals who were born in Middleton, but are to be found on Lancashire BMD under the sub district of Chadderton with registers at Oldham. I note that there is a David HILTON born 1839 sub district Chadderton ref CH/1/406 on Lancashire BMD and wonder if this is your man. Kind regards Ian Saunders ----- Original Message ----- From: "MARSHALL HILTON" <MARSHALL_HILTON@msn.com> To: <ENG-LAN-MIDDLETON-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2006 2:21 PM Subject: Re: [ENG-LAN-MIDDLETON-L] Birth date for David Hilton > I have tried all indexes I can't find any results. GRO, LancashierBmd, Free BMD. > Marshall Hilton > ----- Original Message ----- > From: doreen EL-AHWANY<mailto:doreen@elahwany.freeserve.co.uk> > To: ENG-LAN-MIDDLETON-L@rootsweb.com<mailto:ENG-LAN-MIDDLETON-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2006 6:06 PM > Subject: Re: [ENG-LAN-MIDDLETON-L] Birth date for David Hilton > > > Hello Marshall, > > Have you checked the GRO birth indexes for David Hilton? > That would probably be the only place where you would find details of his > birth, but, not all births were registered at that time. > The Middleton church records very rarely show a birthdate (with exception of > the non-conformist chapels). > On the odd occasions a gravestone will record both birth and death dates. > > Doreen. > > > > ==== ENG-LAN-MIDDLETON Mailing List ==== > Check out the Middleton site for up-dates > http://www.vmims.com/middleton.htm<http://www.vmims.com/middleton.htm> > > > > ==== ENG-LAN-MIDDLETON Mailing List ==== > If you have a home page with content interesting to subscribers of the Middleton List send an email to emmap@virtualmechhanics.com > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.371 / Virus Database: 267.14.17/227 - Release Date: 11/01/06 > > -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.371 / Virus Database: 267.14.17/227 - Release Date: 11/01/06

I have tried all indexes I can't find any results. GRO, LancashierBmd, Free BMD. Marshall Hilton ----- Original Message ----- From: doreen EL-AHWANY<mailto:doreen@elahwany.freeserve.co.uk> To: ENG-LAN-MIDDLETON-L@rootsweb.com<mailto:ENG-LAN-MIDDLETON-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2006 6:06 PM Subject: Re: [ENG-LAN-MIDDLETON-L] Birth date for David Hilton Hello Marshall, Have you checked the GRO birth indexes for David Hilton? That would probably be the only place where you would find details of his birth, but, not all births were registered at that time. The Middleton church records very rarely show a birthdate (with exception of the non-conformist chapels). On the odd occasions a gravestone will record both birth and death dates. Doreen. ==== ENG-LAN-MIDDLETON Mailing List ==== Check out the Middleton site for up-dates http://www.vmims.com/middleton.htm<http://www.vmims.com/middleton.htm>

Hello Marshall, Have you checked the GRO birth indexes for David Hilton? That would probably be the only place where you would find details of his birth, but, not all births were registered at that time. The Middleton church records very rarely show a birthdate (with exception of the non-conformist chapels). On the odd occasions a gravestone will record both birth and death dates. Doreen.

I recently posted a question looking for any information that anyone could give me about Rochdale. My grandfather was Frederick Potts born Oct. 1910 his mother was Mary Anne Costello later Pierson father James Potts died early was a horse traininer and was killed by a horse. Kristina

My great grandfather David Hilton son of Edmund and Mary Hilton was born in 1839 in Middleton. I am looking for information on his birth date. His bapitism was 23 Jun 1839 in Middleton. Lokking forward to replies. Marshall Hilton

If you go to _www.familysearch.org_ (http://www.familysearch.org) and put in Marriot Wild, England at the prompt for information there are several matches including below. Best of luck, Sarah Hamilton USA/Massachusetts You searched for: Marriot Wild [_refine search_ (http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/search/search_all1.asp?first_name=marriot&last_name=wild&fathers_firs t_name=&fathers_last_name=&mothers_first_name=&mothers_last_name=&spouses_firs t_name=&spouses_last_name=&event_index=0&to_date=&from_date=&juris1=Engl93&jur is2=&juris3=&juris4=&standardize=&date_range=&date_range_index=&batch_number=& serial_number=&film_number=&file_number=&Social_number=&region=-1&regionfriend ly=&juris1friendly=England&juris2friendly=&juris3friendly=&juris4friendly=) ] , England Exact Spelling: Off Matches: All Sources - 4 International Genealogical Index - British Isles 1. _Marriot Wild_ (http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/search/IGI/individual_record.asp?recid=100360083748&lds=1&region=2&regionfrie ndly=British+Isles&frompage=99) - International Genealogical Index / BI Gender: Male Christening: 12 JAN 1858 St Peter, Oldham, Lancashire, England 2. _Marriot Wilde_ (http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/search/IGI/individual_record.asp?recid=100336738008&lds=1&region=2&regionfriendly=British+Isles&frompag e=99) - International Genealogical Index / BI Gender: Male Birth: 19 NOV 1844 3. _Marriot Wilde_ (http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/search/IGI/individual_record.asp?recid=100336738008&lds=1&region=2&regionfriendly=British+Isles&frompag e=99) - International Genealogical Index / BI Gender: Male Christening: 05 JAN 1845 Oldham, Lancashire, England 4. _MARIOT WILDE_ (http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/search/IGI/individual_record.asp?recid=500052948693&lds=1&region=2&regionfriendly=British+Isles&frompage =99) - International Genealogical Index / BI Gender: Male Marriage: 17 DEC 1837 Middleton, , Lancashire, England _Matches: International Genealogical Index/British Isles - 4_ (http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/search/customsearchresults.asp?LDS=1&region=2&first_name=mar riot&last_name=wild&juris1=Engl&juris1index=66&juris1friendly=England) _Return to top of page_ (http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/search/ancestorsearchresults.asp?indid=&spouse_id=&color=blue&juris1orig2=&juris1orig3=England&juri s1orig4=&LDS=99&date_range_index=&juris1index=66&juris2index=&juris1friendly=E ngland&juris2friendly=&first_name=ma#Top)

An informant on the death cert of one of my reles in 1856 was an I JACKSON who lived in Queen Street, Oldham and I would like to know who the other members of the family were. Regards Elizabeth > Could you give any first names or dates ? > > Regards > > Vanessa >> Would sks please be able to help me with a family living in Queen Street, >> Oldham, Lancashire by the name of Jackson in the 1851 & 1861 census. >> TIA >> Elizabeth >> >>

I did find two I Jackson on the 1851 census . Isabella Jackson widowed aged 70 Born Isle of Man living at Mumps Oldham other names in the houshold Ogden and Rye. The other Isabella Jackson aged 26 married born Birmingham Other name in household Brooks . Both women still alive in 1861 There was a Lees Jackson Mill st ,St Marys also Louis born 1844 and Levi 1849 both way to young. All still alive in 1861 On the 1861 Isaac Jackson twice , Issac Jackson once, None of these on Queen st on both censuses Do you anything else to go on where did your family come from and where were they in 1851/ 1861 ? Regards Vanessa ----- Original Message ----- From: "The Kellys" <warliz@slingshot.co.nz> To: <ENG-LAN-MIDDLETON-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, January 09, 2006 12:00 PM Subject: Re: [ENG-LAN-MIDDLETON-L] Re census 1851 & 1861 - JACKSON > An informant on the death cert of one of my reles in 1856 was an I JACKSON > who lived in Queen Street, Oldham and I would like to know who the other > members of the family were. > Regards > Elizabeth > >> Could you give any first names or dates ? >> >> Regards >> >> Vanessa >>> Would sks please be able to help me with a family living in Queen >>> Street, Oldham, Lancashire by the name of Jackson in the 1851 & 1861 >>> census. >>> TIA >>> Elizabeth >>> >>> > > > ==== ENG-LAN-MIDDLETON Mailing List ==== > To unsubscribe, > you should send the command "unsubscribe" to > ENG-LAN-MIDDLETON-L-request@rootsweb.com > (if in mail mode) or ENG-LAN-MIDDLETON-D-request@rootsweb.com (if in > digest mode.) > To switch from one mode to the other, you should unsubscribe from one > and then subscribe to the other. If you > want messages to stop, you should simply unsubscribe. >

Hello Julian I've nothing terribly exciting to add... just that Marriot Wilde (junior) is listed as 11m on the 1851 census, meaning he would have been born around 1850. If you don't already have the image, I can send it to you off-list. From Ancestry there's this death:- Name: WILD, Marriott Record Type: Deaths Quarter: March Year: 1850 District: Halifax County: West Riding of Yorkshire West Yorkshire Volume: 22 Page: 123 and there;s a birth recorded in 1899, which may or may not be related to your family:- Wilde, Matthew Marriott 1899 September Births Chesterfield Derbyshire Have you also seen the other Marriot WILD on the 1851 Census, living in Oldham - aged 6, son of Edward & Harriet Wild? Like you say, it's such an unusual first name that you would expect to be able to trace it more easily - but such a varety of spellings, well, Good Luck! Hope someone else can come up with some more concrete answers for you. Best wishes Janet C >From: "Julian Rudd" <julian.rudd@blueyonder.co.uk> >Rather unusual name..wondering if it registers with anyone here >Marriott Wilde (also spelled Mariot, Merriott) believed born c.1816 in >Oldham, Lancashire. Married Sarah Ann Jackson, Dec 1837. Sarah Ann >appears >to already have 2 children at the time of the marriage (John Jackson and >Thomas Jackson) >Marriott and Sarah Ann have 3 further children - Ann (c1838), Marriott >(c.1840) and Sarah (c.1847). > >The whole family is listed in the 1851 census, however I can only find a >record of John Jackson after that date - it is possible that the others >emigrated? > > _________________________________________________________________ Be the first to hear what's new at MSN - sign up to our free newsletters! http://www.msn.co.uk/newsletters

Hello Elizabeth, I saw your posting regarding the JACKSON`s of Oldham and I was wondering whether a Patience JACKSON who married James VERITY in St. Mary`s Prestwich in 1851 could be one of yours, or connected to your JACKSON line.? Norman A. in OZ. ----- Original Message ----- From: "The Kellys" <warliz@slingshot.co.nz> To: <ENG-LAN-MIDDLETON-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, January 09, 2006 5:49 PM Subject: [ENG-LAN-MIDDLETON-L] Re census 1851 & 1861 > Would sks please be able to help me with a family living in Queen Street, Oldham, Lancashire by the name of Jackson in the 1851 & 1861 census. > TIA > Elizabeth > > > ==== ENG-LAN-MIDDLETON Mailing List ==== > To unsubscribe, > you should send the command "unsubscribe" to ENG-LAN-MIDDLETON-L-request@rootsweb.com > (if in mail mode) or ENG-LAN-MIDDLETON-D-request@rootsweb.com (if in digest mode.) > To switch from one mode to the other, you should unsubscribe from one > and then subscribe to the other. If you > want messages to stop, you should simply unsubscribe. > > Send instant messages to your online friends http://au.messenger.yahoo.com

Would sks please be able to help me with a family living in Queen Street, Oldham, Lancashire by the name of Jackson in the 1851 & 1861 census. TIA Elizabeth