Good morning All! Listed below is what I have. I would appreciate suggestions on where to go backwards from here. Where can I access the 1841 Census? Is there a mailing address for requesting: Marriage record for John and Betty, Birth records for all, and possibly a Death record for Mary? John PILLING is listed as born in Bury Is that close by Middleton? The census taker has Lanaster, but I am certain he meant Lancashire! 1851 CENSUS England>Lancashire>Middleton>Chadderton My ancestors are John and Betty KENT PILLING John PILLING age 42 born Lancaster Bury occ block printer calico Betty 43 born Lancaster Middleton Edward 15 " " Thomas 12 " " John 10 " " Hannah 8 " " Jane 3 " " Mary 2 " " The entire family except for Mary is found in Pennsylvania, USA by 1860 Census. With deep appreciation for any help. Kind regards, Mary McCanney Finley

i HAVE SEARCHED THE 1851 CENSUS FOR KENTS IN MIDDLETON OR BORN IN MIDDLETON. THERE ARE SEVERAL FAMILIES MOST ARE IN THE SILK INDUSTRY AND MAY BE RELATED AS SOME LIVE IN THE SAME STREET. MY GREAT GREAT GRANDFATHER WILLIAM KENT WAS RECORDED AS BORN IN MIDDLETON AND IN 1851 WAS LIVING IN LONDON. I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW MORE ABOUT MIDDLETON AT THAT TIME. WAS IT VERY INDUSTRIAL OR WAS THERE STILL COTTAGE INDUSTRY? WHAT WERE THE MAIN CHURCHES THERE AT THE TIME AND ARE THERE ANY BAPTISMAL RECORDS PUT ONTO CD OR MICROFILM?

Hi Neil If you look on the fhs http://www.lancashirebmd.org.uk/ You will see Samuel Kenyon Married Susannah Coates At Manchester St John I did the search between 1851 - 1863 and this was the only Samuel Kenyon that came up. This site is very useful because they do enter the partners and tells you which church the marriage took place and it is much faster than FreeBMD, but of course they are only covering a County not a Country. It is the same as FreeBMD it is free to view, you will however have to check the coverage not all BMD's have been transcribed yet so a return visit could prove successful. When you do find a match if you want the certificate, if you click on the file number it will take you to a form already filled in with the details all that you have to do is out your details in. Ivy

Ann, I am indexing the baptism registers for Middleton. What year do you need? These are very patchy at present, but can let you know whether they are indexed or not. Tha main church was St Leonards. Doreen.

Hi Ann, Try www.middletonguardian.co.uk a good source for all things Middleton, past and present, including old photo's. Cheers Margaret. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ann Lee" <judithannlee@optusnet.com.au> To: <ENG-LAN-MIDDLETON-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, February 28, 2006 10:58 AM Subject: [ENG-LAN-MIDDLETON-L] KENTS >i HAVE SEARCHED THE 1851 CENSUS FOR KENTS IN MIDDLETON OR BORN IN >MIDDLETON. THERE ARE SEVERAL FAMILIES MOST ARE IN THE SILK INDUSTRY AND MAY >BE RELATED AS SOME LIVE IN THE SAME STREET. MY GREAT GREAT GRANDFATHER >WILLIAM KENT WAS RECORDED AS BORN IN MIDDLETON AND IN 1851 WAS LIVING IN >LONDON. I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW MORE ABOUT MIDDLETON AT THAT TIME. WAS IT VERY >INDUSTRIAL OR WAS THERE STILL COTTAGE INDUSTRY? WHAT WERE THE MAIN CHURCHES >THERE AT THE TIME AND ARE THERE ANY BAPTISMAL RECORDS PUT ONTO CD OR >MICROFILM? > > > ==== ENG-LAN-MIDDLETON Mailing List ==== > Make your own home page with IMS > Web Dwarf. Free HTML Editor http://www.webdwarf.com > >

Ann I have a William KENT and an Ann KENT in my MOULT data base. Can you be a little more specific with years of birth or baptism please Janet Foreman MLFHS 12038 MOULT HALL HILTON JOHNSON KERSHAW & TITTER ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ann Lee" <judithannlee@optusnet.com.au> To: <ENG-LAN-MIDDLETON-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, February 28, 2006 10:58 AM Subject: [ENG-LAN-MIDDLETON-L] KENTS >i HAVE SEARCHED THE 1851 CENSUS FOR KENTS IN MIDDLETON OR BORN IN >MIDDLETON. THERE ARE SEVERAL FAMILIES MOST ARE IN THE SILK INDUSTRY AND MAY >BE RELATED AS SOME LIVE IN THE SAME STREET. MY GREAT GREAT GRANDFATHER >WILLIAM KENT WAS RECORDED AS BORN IN MIDDLETON AND IN 1851 WAS LIVING IN >LONDON. I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW MORE ABOUT MIDDLETON AT THAT TIME. WAS IT VERY >INDUSTRIAL OR WAS THERE STILL COTTAGE INDUSTRY? WHAT WERE THE MAIN CHURCHES >THERE AT THE TIME AND ARE THERE ANY BAPTISMAL RECORDS PUT ONTO CD OR >MICROFILM? > > > ==== ENG-LAN-MIDDLETON Mailing List ==== > Make your own home page with IMS > Web Dwarf. Free HTML Editor http://www.webdwarf.com > >

Start by turning off your caps lock, and stop shouting. Your post is a hard one to read. Sharon Ann Lee <judithannlee@optusnet.com.au> wrote: i HAVE SEARCHED THE 1851 CENSUS FOR KENTS IN MIDDLETON OR BORN IN MIDDLETON. THERE ARE SEVERAL FAMILIES MOST ARE IN THE SILK INDUSTRY AND MAY BE RELATED AS SOME LIVE IN THE SAME STREET. MY GREAT GREAT GRANDFATHER WILLIAM KENT WAS RECORDED AS BORN IN MIDDLETON AND IN 1851 WAS LIVING IN LONDON. I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW MORE ABOUT MIDDLETON AT THAT TIME. WAS IT VERY INDUSTRIAL OR WAS THERE STILL COTTAGE INDUSTRY? WHAT WERE THE MAIN CHURCHES THERE AT THE TIME AND ARE THERE ANY BAPTISMAL RECORDS PUT ONTO CD OR MICROFILM? --------------------------------- Find your next car at Yahoo! Canada Autos

Neil, FreeBMD (which incidentally you have free access to) shows a Samuel KENYON married in the first quarter of 1857 (Mar 1857 Manchester 8d 482). On the same page is a Sarah Ann SMITH. Because of the way the data are recorded you can only tell who is on the page, not who is married to who. The only way to be sure is to purchase the registration certificate. At 04:00 AM 2/28/2006, you wrote: >From: "Neil Kenyon" <nek@bluemarble.net> >To: ENG-LAN-MIDDLETON-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: Samuel KENYON marriage > >Hi to list, > I have been trying to track down the marriage of my gg-uncle > Samuel KENYON. Thought he was married in USA but find no record. > Samuel was born in Middleton, England about 1834 the son of Joseph > KENYON and Mary (BUTTERWORTH) KENYON. At some point between 1856 > and 1863 he came to USA. I find a record I believe to be Samuel > with his wife Sara A. in the 1870 census of Phil. > >So, was thinking he may have married in England in the mid to >late 1850's? He is shown living with his parents in the 1851 >census of Oldham at the age of 17. Samuel does not show up in the >1861 Oldham census record for this family. I wonder if someone >might be able to check marriage registers for the record of the >marriage of Samuel KENYON. b. 1834 to Joseph and Mary KENYON. > >Neil Kenyon >French Lick,Indiana >USA

Hi Neil, Have you tried Ancestry.co.uk they have bmd's free from 1837. Register free and search. Cheers Margaret. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Neil Kenyon" <nek@bluemarble.net> To: <ENG-LAN-MIDDLETON-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, February 27, 2006 3:26 PM Subject: [ENG-LAN-MIDDLETON-L] Samuel KENYON marriage > Hi to list, > I have been trying to track down the marriage of my gg-uncle Samuel > KENYON. Thought he was married in USA but find no record. Samuel was born > in Middleton, England about 1834 the son of Joseph KENYON and Mary > (BUTTERWORTH) KENYON. At some point between 1856 and 1863 he came to USA. > I find a record I believe to be Samuel with his wife Sara A. in the 1870 > census of Phil. > > So, was thinking he may have married in England in the mid to late > 1850's? He is shown living with his parents in the 1851 census of Oldham > at the age of 17. Samuel does not show up in the 1861 Oldham census record > for this family. I wonder if someone might be able to check marriage > registers for the record of the marriage of Samuel KENYON. b. 1834 to > Joseph and Mary KENYON. > > Neil Kenyon > French Lick,Indiana > USA > > > ==== ENG-LAN-MIDDLETON Mailing List ==== > To unsubscribe, > you should send the command "unsubscribe" to > ENG-LAN-MIDDLETON-L-request@rootsweb.com > (if in mail mode) or ENG-LAN-MIDDLETON-D-request@rootsweb.com (if in > digest mode.) > To switch from one mode to the other, you should unsubscribe from one > and then subscribe to the other. If you > want messages to stop, you should simply unsubscribe. > >

Hi, Have you tried the 1860 Phila. census? All the best, Helen in Germany

Hi to list, I have been trying to track down the marriage of my gg-uncle Samuel KENYON. Thought he was married in USA but find no record. Samuel was born in Middleton, England about 1834 the son of Joseph KENYON and Mary (BUTTERWORTH) KENYON. At some point between 1856 and 1863 he came to USA. I find a record I believe to be Samuel with his wife Sara A. in the 1870 census of Phil. So, was thinking he may have married in England in the mid to late 1850's? He is shown living with his parents in the 1851 census of Oldham at the age of 17. Samuel does not show up in the 1861 Oldham census record for this family. I wonder if someone might be able to check marriage registers for the record of the marriage of Samuel KENYON. b. 1834 to Joseph and Mary KENYON. Neil Kenyon French Lick,Indiana USA

Thank you. I will keep this information on one side until I am able to again visit Lancashire. Margaret ----- Original Message ----- From: "doreen EL-AHWANY" <doreen@elahwany.freeserve.co.uk> To: <ENG-LAN-MIDDLETON-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2006 9:28 PM Subject: Re: [ENG-LAN-MIDDLETON-L] cemeteries in Middleton > Hello Margaret, > The marriage of William and Elizabeth could have taken place at Oldham St > Mary. A few marriages for Middleton people have been found at Bury St > Mary. Manchester Cathedral is another option, but these should all be > included in the IGI. No Hollinwood marriages prior to 1837. > > The baptisms of the children could be St Leonards - I haven`t indexed the > 1830s yet. They are not at St Michaels Tonge. > > I`ll keep the grave number in mind as I index further records for the Old > Cemetery. > > Best wishes, > Doreen. > > > ==== ENG-LAN-MIDDLETON Mailing List ==== > To unsubscribe, > you should send the command "unsubscribe" to > ENG-LAN-MIDDLETON-L-request@rootsweb.com > (if in mail mode) or ENG-LAN-MIDDLETON-D-request@rootsweb.com (if in > digest mode.) > To switch from one mode to the other, you should unsubscribe from one > and then subscribe to the other. If you > want messages to stop, you should simply unsubscribe. > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 268.0.0/266 - Release Date: 21/02/2006 > >

Hello Margaret, The marriage of William and Elizabeth could have taken place at Oldham St Mary. A few marriages for Middleton people have been found at Bury St Mary. Manchester Cathedral is another option, but these should all be included in the IGI. No Hollinwood marriages prior to 1837. The baptisms of the children could be St Leonards - I haven`t indexed the 1830s yet. They are not at St Michaels Tonge. I`ll keep the grave number in mind as I index further records for the Old Cemetery. Best wishes, Doreen.

Hi My gg grandfather John Hilton with his wife Alice and family are on the 1851 census with the address being Deansgate in the parish and township of Middleton. I have looked at several old maps but can't find anywhere resembling Deansgate. Please can anyone enlighten me as to where it was situated. Also in later censuses Johns son, another John, was living in Clarkson Street. I would also like to find where this is or was if it no longer exists. Regards Mal Campbell W.Australia

Thank you for this information - it is much appreciated. I live in Dorset so have to travel to access any records. I have been to the Oldham Local Studies place but did not know about records at Middleton Library. I would be keen to hear of any others you find in the same plot although I appreciate the indexing is probably a long job. This William Thornley was my great,great, great grandfather. He was born at Hollinwood, Hopwood or Middleton depending on which census I look at! He married Elizabeth Berry who was born at Tonge, Middleton. Their children were all born at Middleton starting, I believe, with James who was born in 1838. I have not been able to find the marriage of William and Elizabeth as it seems to be before 1837 and was not at St Marys, Prestwich. This is a brick wall for me - have you any idea of other churches that I could try to find their marriage record or baptisms of their children. Thank you Margaret ----- Original Message ----- From: "doreen EL-AHWANY" <doreen@elahwany.freeserve.co.uk> To: <ENG-LAN-MIDDLETON-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, February 20, 2006 5:06 PM Subject: Re: [ENG-LAN-MIDDLETON-L] cemeteries in Middleton > Hi Margaret, > > William Thornly is buried in the Old Cemetery at Middleton. This is the > cemetery which lies around graveyard 3 at St Leonards Church. > > William Thornley. Married. Age 56 yrs. New Lane, Middleton. Buried 2 Nov > 1871. Grave B144. > > I`m indexing these and the others in the same plot up to now (am only up > to 1886) are: > > Esther Alice Thornley. Age 9 yrs 9 Mths. Oldham Road, Tonge. Buried 27 > March 1866. > Clara Thornley. Age 3 mths. Oldham Road, Tonge. Buried 5 May 1875. > Frank Thornley. 6 yrs. Oldham Road, Tonge., Buried 29 May 1879. > Florence Emily Thornley. Age 2 yrs. Oldham Road, Tonge. Buried 4 June > 1880. > Fred Thornley. Bachelor. Age 18 yrs. Of Swinton. Buried 21 Dec 1882. > > The records are on microfilm at Middleton Library, but the library is > closing this coming weekend for approx 5 wks. > > Doreen. > > > ==== ENG-LAN-MIDDLETON Mailing List ==== >>==== ENG-LAN-MIDDLETON Mailing List ==== > To search the archives of this list go to: > http://searches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl?surname=ENG-LAN-MIDDLETON-L-request@rootsweb.com > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 268.0.0/266 - Release Date: 21/02/2006 > >

Dear Rosemary, For the first time in 2years on the list a relative has got in touch - wonderful! Lawrence Styles was my paternal grandmother Bertha's brother. She was the oldest of the 7 children and married Fred Stansfield on 1 Feb 1913 at St John's Thornham, near Three Pits. Both families lived at Three Pits then (numbers 2 and 18). Fred's mother, Emma worked at Hopwood Hall. My father, Harry, aged 89, who lives with me, remembers walking to Three Pits from Burton Street in the centre of Middleton where the family moved in, I think, 1916. His older sister Nora, born in 1913, died of meningitis at Three Pits in 1914. I did a recce in Middleton 2 or 3 years ago and the houses at Three Pits have been replaced by a modest terrace of houses parellel to the main road, and set back from it, not on the same alignment shown old maps. They were originally three sides of a square, facing onto open country on the 1910 map. The allotments where my Dad recalls Samuel Styles, (Bertha and Lawrence's father), grew prize geraniums, may be on the site of what is now a nursery. I'd be thrilled to exchange further information if you contact me off list at hathorkath@aol.com All the best Kathy Stansfield

Margaret thank you so much for your reply. I remember visiting my gran (Gladys Styles) there in the 1960s. I remember going to the canal as well, I didnt realise the area was called Slattocks though so thank you for that. Her cottage always seemed so exciting as a child, the funny little stairs up to the bedroom and the outside toilet!. It was always immaculate. My neices have been asking me about them. Does anyone know what was put up in their place - I dread to ask! +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ This email is confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual to whom it is addressed. Any views or opinions made are solely those of the author and may not necessarily represent those of Richard Huish College. If you are not the intended recipient, be advised that you have received this email in error and that any use, dissemination, forwarding, printing or copying of this email is strictly prohibited. Please delete it and advise the sender directly. All email leaving and entering the College is electronically scanned for viruses, SPAM, and other content that does not meet the College's Network Code of Practice and may be automatically rejected or isolated for inspection. +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

Hi Rosemary, My Dad's Aunty lived at Three Pits, Slattocks. Veronica Hall. Dad used to take me visiting her usually when we'd been fishing at the canal. It would have been late 1940's and into the early 1950's as I was only young. I remember her cottage being cold, dank and damp smelling. They should have been preserved, not demolished. Cheers Margaret. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rosemary Bishop" <rosemaryb@richuish.ac.uk> To: <ENG-LAN-MIDDLETON-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2006 9:31 AM Subject: [ENG-LAN-MIDDLETON-L] Threepits, Middleton > Does anyone have any memories of Threepits in Middleton? Some of my > relatives, the Styles family, lived there from the 1920's until they were > demolished (maybe about the 1970s?). They were originally the pitmens > cottages for the Hopwood pits. > > My grandparents were Lawrence and Gladys Lily Styles. > > Kind regards > > Rosemary Styles Bishop > > > +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > This email is confidential and intended solely for the use of the > individual to whom it is addressed. Any views or opinions made are solely > those of the author and may not necessarily represent those of Richard > Huish College. > > If you are not the intended recipient, be advised that you have received > this email in error and that any use, dissemination, forwarding, printing > or copying of this email is strictly prohibited. Please delete it and > advise the sender directly. > > All email leaving and entering the College is electronically scanned for > viruses, SPAM, and other content that does not meet the College's Network > Code of Practice and may be automatically rejected or isolated for > inspection. > +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > > > ==== ENG-LAN-MIDDLETON Mailing List ==== > Create your own home page with Web Dwarf, a FREE HTML Editor > http://www.vmims.com/dwarf.htm > >

Hi Tracey & Tony: Wow! Thanks a lot for the prompt reply with information about the Odd Fellows Arms. Thomas Foxall was my g-g-grandfather. This is great to know a little more about the place. Hopefully I will be able to secure a photo of it to add to my archives. Very much appreciate your writing. On to the next step of finding out more about the Foxalls. My g-grandmother his daughter Sophia married Joseph Williamson. I have them and family living with Thomas on the 1891 Middleton Census but don't have an address yet. Cheers Angie

Hi I have checked the Middleton pub book, and that says that the pub can be traced back to 1870 when it was kept by a brewer called Thomas Foxall. He was still there in 1891 but gone by 1900. The address for the pub is 25 Chapel street, although it was on the corner with Thorpe street. Hope this helps Tracey & Tony ----- Original Message ----- From: "ANGELA BRUNNER" <angie.ont@rogers.com> To: <ENG-LAN-MIDDLETON-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2006 4:09 AM Subject: [ENG-LAN-MIDDLETON-L] Rhodes, Middleton > Need information regarding Odd Fellows Arms, 13 Thorpe Street, Rhodes, > Middleton. It was in existence in the 1800 but apparently no longer. If > anybody has information and even photographs regarding this pub and/or the > Foxall family living there at that time, I would appreciate having it. > > > ==== ENG-LAN-MIDDLETON Mailing List ==== > Create your own home page with Web Dwarf, a FREE HTML Editor > http://www.vmims.com/dwarf.htm >