Hi Bryan, The Heywood & Birtle 1851 surname index for Piece HO107/2213 has just one SIMCOCK folio in 412. An area of Heywood is on HO107/2213 but unfortunately I do not have an index for that or for 1861. Sorry I can not do a look up for you over the next couple of weeks but if you have not found the information you need by the end of the month I will be happy to help. There are some Simcocks recorded as born in the Bury Registration district on the FreeBMD pages. . date/Surname/ First name(s)/ District Vol Page ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Births Jun 1845 SIMCOCK Abraham Bury L 21 348 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Births Mar 1847 SIMCOCK Hannah Bury L 21 341 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Births Dec 1847 SIMCOCK * Bury 21 263 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Hope this helps Kind regards Sylvia. ----- Original Message ----- From: "bryan.andrew" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2003 8:43 PM Subject: [ENG-LAN-MIDDLETON-L] Simcock in Heywood > I recently joined the Lancsgen list and submitted the query below, in reply to which someone suggested I try the Middleton list with the query. So here it is, with my apologies to anyone who subscribes to both lists. > > "My involvement with Lancashire is limited. My gg grandfather Abraham SIMCOCK was born in Staffordshire (Biddulph - Horton area) in 1814/1816, and married there in 1842. He seems to have moved to Heywood, Lancs shortly afterwards, because later (1871, 1881) census data records four children born in Heywood - Abraham jnr (1845), Sarah (1853), Martha (1855), and Lettice (my great grandmother) in 1857. By 1871 Abraham snr was an earthenware dealer and a widower living in Merthyr Tydfil, Wales, but the family seems to have stopped off in Pembroke on the way to Merthyr because Abraham jnr was married to a local girl there in 1866. The reason for the gap between births (1845 - 1853) is unknown to me - perhaps there were some children who died, or perhaps a first wife who died and a subsequent remarriage. > > At any rate, it seems certain that the family was in Heywood in 1851, and may have been there in 1861. > > I would be most grateful if someone with access to census information could provide details or even an index listing for 1851 and, if relevant, 1861. Even an estimate of the population of Heywood around 1850 would be helpful in letting me know how much of a search I am facing if/when I order the census film through our local LDS centre. I would also be interested in information on other Simcocks born in Staffordshire (Leek/Biddulph/Horton area), particularly a Joseph Simcock who seems to have been married in Leek, Staffordshire at the same time as Abraham. It is possible that more than one element of the family moved to Heywood." > > Sincerely, > > Bryan Andrew, > Ottawa, Canada. > > > ==== ENG-LAN-MIDDLETON Mailing List ==== > If you are having trouble unsubscribing please contact the list owner Joan White [email protected] > >

Marina, I can check the newspaper index for you on Thursday (if not already done by then) for the death of Thomas Davies. Doreen. --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.476 / Virus Database: 273 - Release Date: 24/04/03

I recently joined the Lancsgen list and submitted the query below, in reply to which someone suggested I try the Middleton list with the query. So here it is, with my apologies to anyone who subscribes to both lists. "My involvement with Lancashire is limited. My gg grandfather Abraham SIMCOCK was born in Staffordshire (Biddulph - Horton area) in 1814/1816, and married there in 1842. He seems to have moved to Heywood, Lancs shortly afterwards, because later (1871, 1881) census data records four children born in Heywood - Abraham jnr (1845), Sarah (1853), Martha (1855), and Lettice (my great grandmother) in 1857. By 1871 Abraham snr was an earthenware dealer and a widower living in Merthyr Tydfil, Wales, but the family seems to have stopped off in Pembroke on the way to Merthyr because Abraham jnr was married to a local girl there in 1866. The reason for the gap between births (1845 - 1853) is unknown to me - perhaps there were some children who died, or perhaps a first wife who died and a subsequent remarriage. At any rate, it seems certain that the family was in Heywood in 1851, and may have been there in 1861. I would be most grateful if someone with access to census information could provide details or even an index listing for 1851 and, if relevant, 1861. Even an estimate of the population of Heywood around 1850 would be helpful in letting me know how much of a search I am facing if/when I order the census film through our local LDS centre. I would also be interested in information on other Simcocks born in Staffordshire (Leek/Biddulph/Horton area), particularly a Joseph Simcock who seems to have been married in Leek, Staffordshire at the same time as Abraham. It is possible that more than one element of the family moved to Heywood." Sincerely, Bryan Andrew, Ottawa, Canada.

I have been told from 2 different sources, that my GGrandfather Thomas DAVIES was killed in a Railway accident, crushed between a train and the platform. I am not sure if he worked for the Railway or was just working at the railway station, but his occupation was given as common labourer in the 1901 Census. I believe that it would have happened at the Middleton Station and the railway would have been the Lancashire & Yorkshire. I was told that the Middleton Library has an excellent newspaper index in their Local History Section and I was wondering if there was sks on the list who lives close and could do a search of it for me. I live in the US so it is impossible for me to do it myself and I don't believe that the index is on-line. Anyway, here are the details. Thomas DAVIES, killed between 1901 and June 1909 His wife's name was Sarah, and they lived in Tonge, Middleton. He would have been between the ages of 45 and 53 Thank you. Marina

Dear all, I have marriage cert for Ellis MORRIS and Jane TAYLOR their witnesses were John MORRIS and Rachel TAYLOR and the marriage was at Heywood in 1866. The father of Ellis was Samuel and according to the census Ellis was born at Kirkham Houses in 1842. I am looking for his baptism. James CLOUGH was the son of JOHN and he was born about 1826. He married at Manchester but lived near Strangeways in 1845. Alexander SMITH was the son of John and Margaret born about 1859 at Middleton, I am looking for anything for this family. I have the census for 1881 and 1891. Thomas WILSON was born in 1899/1900 father also Thomas. I need his baptism. Has anyone come across these families. Joan at Devon

Hello, Elton is a district of Bury West of the Town Centre and bounded roughly by Bolton Rd, ( A58 ) on the South Western Edge and Tottington Road, ( B623 ) to the North Western Edge. Independents were exactly that, they were run by the membership, for the membership.They did not believe in being run by Bishops ( the Episcopalians ). Most joined the Congregationalist Union, but some including the Independent Methodists, remained separate. The Methodists and Congregationalists had much in common, but the principal difference is that the Congregationalists appointed a Minister for their Church's whilst most Methodists adopted the circuit principle where a group of Ministers travelled round all the Churches giving the necessary services at each. Moreover the Methodist Ministers were moved to a new circuit after two to three years. In the latter half of the 19th Century many Methodist Preachers took up appointments with Independent Congregationalist Churches because they preferred to be more involved in the running of the Church and to have the greater stability in their home life than permitted by the Methodists. . Malcolm Firth In Chadderton Research FIRTH, BARKER, FARRAR, LUMB, JAGGER in Calderdale and Oldham HALSALL, PENDLETON, EAUD, and WELSBY Prescot and SW Lancs HARRISON, BARKER, YARDLEY, DUCKWORTH and HOWARD in Oldham BUTTON, RICHMOND and MUDD in Pateley Bridge and Ripon E Mail [email protected] ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, July 04, 2003 1:47 PM Subject: [ENG-LAN-MIDDLETON-L] Elton > > Hello, > Who could tell me where is ELTON in Lancashire ? > John BOOTH and Jane JACKSON married in 1866 in Castle Croft Chapel, Elton, > district of BURY, according to the rites and ceremonies of the Independents . > What does Independent mean in this case , I thought they were methodists, is it > the same thing? > Can someone tell me who lived 9 Webb Street and 144 Bolton Road in Elton in > 1861 an 1871.These are the adresses the bride and groom gave for the marriage > but they both lived in Middleton. > As somebody got a map of Elton? > Thank you very much. > Joanne > > > ==== ENG-LAN-MIDDLETON Mailing List ==== > To unsubscribe, > you should send the command "unsubscribe" to [email protected] > (if in mail mode) or [email protected] (if in digest mode.) > To switch from one mode to the other, you should unsubscribe from one > and then subscribe to the other. If you > want messages to stop, you should simply unsubscribe. > >

Hello, Who could tell me where is ELTON in Lancashire ? John BOOTH and Jane JACKSON married in 1866 in Castle Croft Chapel, Elton, district of BURY, according to the rites and ceremonies of the Independents . What does Independent mean in this case , I thought they were methodists, is it the same thing? Can someone tell me who lived 9 Webb Street and 144 Bolton Road in Elton in 1861 an 1871.These are the adresses the bride and groom gave for the marriage but they both lived in Middleton. As somebody got a map of Elton? Thank you very much. Joanne

Hi Sandra This is fron the 1881 census Dwelling: 281 Rochdale Rd Census Place: Oldham, Lancashire, England Source: FHL Film 1341973 PRO Ref RG11 Piece 4069 Folio 71 Page 39 Marr Age Sex Birthplace Thomas WHITEHEAD M 36 M Oldham, Lancashire, England Rel: Head Occ: Cotton Warehouseman Emma WHITEHEAD M 36 F Oldham, Lancashire, England Rel: Wife Occ: Cotton Worker Unemployed Sarah WHITEHEAD U 5 F Oldham, Lancashire, England Rel: Daur James Broome WHITEHEAD 4 M Oldham, Lancashire, England Rel: Son Harold WHITEHEAD 1 M Oldham, Lancashire, England Rel: Son Enos WHITEHEAD W 74 M Oldham, Lancashire, England Rel: Father Occ: Cotton Worker Unemployed Ashton WHITEHEAD W 60 M Oldham, Lancashire, England Rel: Uncle Occ: Farm Servant Hope it helps Ivy Manchester UK

hello im just starting out and im after some help to find out more about the families of Emma Broome and Thomas Whitehead who married in 1874 in Oldham. Emma`s father was james and he was a dresser ad Thomas father was enos whitehead. Is anyone else researching thses names or can help with any information thanks from sandra.

Is there anyone around who can check the 1901 census for me? I am looking for Walter and Leah Smith and family. Joan

Hello Everyone, I am trying to find a marriage for a friend in New Zealand and he thinks it was around 1816-1819, the details are: MARY AND JOHN WHIPP, their daughter was born in Oldham in 1819 He is also looking for the burial of JOHN WHIPP c. 1831-1840 Hope someone can help point me in right direction to look for these. Regards Mavis

They are also at Preston RO Bow Lane. They may also be at Chorley LDS centre. Joan at Devon

Hi I've got this link off the IGI ...are the Parish Records for Prestwich only held at Manchester Central Library? Benjamin is my 3x gg and I am linked through his his daughter Hannah BENJAMIN CROMPTON Male Family ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- --- Marriages: Spouse: BETTY GOODMAN Family Marriage: 26 MAY 1833 Prestwich, Lancashire, England Source Information: Batch Number: A457413 Sheet: 00 Source Call No.: 457413-457417 Type: Book Alan Heyside

I'm looking for ANY information on the MINGHAMs, MONGHAMs, and MUNGHAMs in Middleton/Prestwich area.

Hello, I am posting my interests again. MORRIS at Middleton and Prestwich before 1842 CLOUGH at Middleton and Manchester before 1845 WILSON at Manchester and Oldham 1900 SMITH at Middleton and Prestwich before 1860 FOGG at Middleton before 1860 BRADBURY at Manchester before 1845. MOORE born Marple but married a man from Rochdale 1812 Anyone want to share info. Regards Joan at Devon

Hi Frances >>>first things first ...what's her name ?..when was she born roughly ?...where ? If you have some answers to all these your first port of call would be lancashirebmd.com.. if you get lucky and get the ref you can then apply for the certificate ... Better still take a read of some of the beginners guides on Genuki.com & Rootsweb.com ... Cheers Alan Heyside UK -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: 09 June 2003 17:34 To: [email protected] Subject: [ENG-LAN-MIDDLETON-L] BIRTH CERTIFICATES I WOULD LIKE TO OBTAIN A COPY OF MY GRANDMOTHERS BIRTH CERTIFICATE. SHE WAS BORN IN 1906 IN MIDDLETON JUNCTION. AS I'VE JUST STARTED MY FAMILY TREE I'M UNSURE WHERE TO START. PLEASE ADVISE THANKS FRANCES ==== ENG-LAN-MIDDLETON Mailing List ==== To unsubscribe, you should send the command "unsubscribe" to [email protected] (if in mail mode) or [email protected] (if in digest mode.) To switch from one mode to the other, you should unsubscribe from one and then subscribe to the other. If you want messages to stop, you should simply unsubscribe.

I WOULD LIKE TO OBTAIN A COPY OF MY GRANDMOTHERS BIRTH CERTIFICATE. SHE WAS BORN IN 1906 IN MIDDLETON JUNCTION. AS I'VE JUST STARTED MY FAMILY TREE I'M UNSURE WHERE TO START. PLEASE ADVISE THANKS FRANCES

Hi, my name is Wendy and I live in Australia. I am trying to find some family history links before arriving in the UK for a holiday in August/september this year. I am hoping to look up the family of Joel HORWOOD bapt. Horsley 27 July 1800 the son of Joseph HORWOOD and Ann nee HILL who married Horsley 26 feb 1786. Joel was an engineer or iron founder and he appeared to go to Oldham, Lancashire, marry Jemima BUTLER and have at least 7 chn , at least 3 (from the IGI) bapt in Oldham. He and his family and his father emigrated to South Australia in December 1848 on the ship Baboo. If possible I would love someone from there to give me the names of the children baptised (as I only have the info about them from a secondary source, not my own, with no details) and wonder if the 1841/2 census would give me more information about where they may have lived etc before they came to Australia. Looking forward to hearing from anyone who think they may be able to help Many thanks Wendy Adams

Hi Ivy Thanks for your efforts ... pretty sure its a pre37 marriage cos i've checked from 45 backwards at the FRC with no success...always assuming they registered. Cheers Oldham -----Original Message----- From: Ivy Murphy [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: 25 May 2003 12:35 To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [ENG-LAN-MIDDLETON-L] Sarah Ann ASHWORTH 1851 Bury lookup request Hi Alan I have just checked the BVRI2 for you there are no John ASHWORTH'S marrying Susannah EDWARDS on there. Sorry Ivy ----- Original Message ----- From: "Roughyed" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, May 24, 2003 8:28 PM Subject: [ENG-LAN-MIDDLETON-L] Sarah Ann ASHWORTH 1851 Bury lookup request > Hi > > Is there SKS who can shed any light on my current mini brickwall ...I've > scanned my 41 census for John & Susannah ASHWORTH Nee EDWARDs and can find > no sight in the Bury area. > > I know that they were living at WASH Lane in 1848 when my 2x GG Sarah Ann > ASHWORTH was born ..is there anyone with access to the 51 census information > in the BURY area who can see the family there at that time. > > Cheers Alan > Heyside > UK > > > ==== ENG-LAN-MIDDLETON Mailing List ==== > Make your own home page with IMS > Web Dwarf. Free HTML Editor http://www.webdwarf.net > ==== ENG-LAN-MIDDLETON Mailing List ==== Make your own home page with IMS Web Dwarf. Free HTML Editor http://www.webdwarf.net

Georgina I note on your posting that one of the names you have is Morris of Oldham. I have a John Morris who married Ellen Briscam at St Leonards on 23 Jan 1865. In both 1881 and 1891 census the family were at 335 Oldham Rd Tongue Middleton Lancs. 1881 John 37 Ellen 37 Harry 14 Clara 11 Alice 9 Ellis 7 Emma 5 Lewis 7m Please let me know if these are of interest. Kim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Georgina Sales" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, May 30, 2003 11:06 PM Subject: [ENG-LAN-MIDDLETON-L] my surname interests > Hi > Been a while since I submitted my interests: > > Sales - Oldham > Smith - Middleton, Chadderton > Pass- Oldham, Werneth > Hammond- Oldham > Bardsley- Oldham > Randles- Oldham > Broadbent- Oldham > Chadwick-Oldham > Morris- Oldham > Tetlow- Manchester > Sunley- Manchester, Lancaster and Hulme > > Georgina > > > > > > --------------------------------- > Yahoo! Plus - For a better Internet experience > > > ==== ENG-LAN-MIDDLETON Mailing List ==== > If you are having trouble unsubscribing please contact the list owner Joan White [email protected] > >