Thank you Paula & Doreen for your kind offers and quick replies. Will write of list. Kind regards Sylvia Researching EMERSON`s ----- Original Message ----- From: "doreen EL-AHWANY" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2003 8:25 PM Subject: Re: [ENG-LAN-MIDDLETON-L] Oldham St Mary`s > Hi Sylvia, > > I can look at the Oldham registers for you. Have already got the details for > Ann Emmerson and Noah Partington, and possibly one or two of the others. > Will check my notes and get back to you off list. > > Doreen. > > Marriages Oldham P.C. 1813 to 1830 > > John EMERSON to Ann BRIGGS -1815 > > Mary EMERSON to Samuel GREAVES -1816 > > Ann EMMERSON to Noah PARTINGTON - 1818 > > Betty EMMERSON to William HOLT -1827 > > Dolly EMMERSON to James WILD -1827 > > Sally EMERSON to Charles B GREAVES -1828 > > Dorothy EMMERSON to James PARKINSON -1829 > >

Hi Sylvia, I can look at the Oldham registers for you. Have already got the details for Ann Emmerson and Noah Partington, and possibly one or two of the others. Will check my notes and get back to you off list. Doreen. > Marriages Oldham P.C. 1813 to 1830 > John EMERSON to Ann BRIGGS -1815 > Mary EMERSON to Samuel GREAVES -1816 > Ann EMMERSON to Noah PARTINGTON - 1818 > Betty EMMERSON to William HOLT -1827 > Dolly EMMERSON to James WILD -1827 > Sally EMERSON to Charles B GREAVES -1828 > Dorothy EMMERSON to James PARKINSON -1829 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.506 / Virus Database: 303 - Release Date: 01/08/2003

Please can anyone help with information about details recorded in the Oldham St Mary`s marriage registers 1813 - 1830? I have references to several EMERSON marriages that could be from my family line but I do not know if the Oldham register for this era gives any information that would help to identify the couples further. ie address, occupation or father`s name. Marriages Oldham P.C. 1813 to 1830 John EMERSON to Ann BRIGGS -1815 Mary EMERSON to Samuel GREAVES -1816 Ann EMMERSON to Noah PARTINGTON - 1818 Betty EMMERSON to William HOLT -1827 Dolly EMMERSON to James WILD -1827 Sally EMERSON to Charles B GREAVES -1828 Dorothy EMMERSON to James PARKINSON -1829 Kind regards Sylvia.

Dear Sylvia, My brother looked through the 1861 census for Heap-Heywood. He found the following, they lived on George St. RE9-2841 P 55 (108 OF 252) Wm Rhodes age 45 Mary age 36 Patience age 16 John age 9 P 56 Samuel age 7 Betty (Betsy) age 1 Kind regards, Bill Rhodes -----Original Message----- From: sylvia walch [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Monday, May 29, 2000 3:53 PM To: Bill Rhodes Subject: Re: [ENG-LAN-MIDDLETON-L] RHODES Hi again Bill, Sorry it should of course have been "born 1815" not 1851. 1841 census, Union St, Heap.(ages rounded to five years) William Callister (McAllister), 35, Hand weaver, not born Lancs. Ann ditto 30 born Lancs John ditto 14 Power weaver born Lancs William ditto 11 Power weaver born Lancs Alice ditto 9 born Lancs Betty ditto 5 born Lancs David ditto 1 born Lancs William Rhodes 25 Power weaver born Lancs I seem to recall William is living at Bridge St Heywood in 1851 but I do not have that information to hand. Yes, I have come across a Bannister connection. Heywood Cemertery Records Grave No. / Burial no./ Date of death /Date of burial /Christian name/Surname /Age/ Occupation /Address at death G574 gen /8779 /28 09 1877 /01 10 1877 / Mary Rhodes /54 / wife of William/ 2 Bank Top St Heap G574 gen /13681 /08 04 1886 /13 05 1886 / William Rhodes /71 / weaver / 27Peel Lane Heap G574 gen /31061 /28 12 1915 /01 01 1915 / Betsy Bannister /56 /non given / 21/Nellie St Heywood G574 gen /33083 /16 07 1919 /18 07 1919 / Granville Bannister / non given/ 21 Nellie St Heywood Do you have the marriage certificate for William Rhodes ? Kind regards. Sylvia g g grand daughter of William and Ann (Rhodes) McAllister. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Rhodes" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Cc: "Philip T. Rhodes" <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2003 8:40 PM Subject: RE: [ENG-LAN-MIDDLETON-L] RHODES-BUTTERWORTH-ASHWORTH-KERSHAW > Sylvia, > > I notice in your email you show William Rhodes born 1851 yet living with his > sister in 1841 census. Do you mean 1815? This could be HIM!!!! And the > fact the census area shows "Heap" increases the chances for a connection. > > We have made some progress, but I'm keeping some postings "off ENG-LAN" > until > we firm up the facts. > > In the 1881 Census William Rhodes is listed as follows: > > William RHODES Head Widowed Male 65 (born c.1815-1816) Heywood, Lanc. > Cotton Weaver > Betsy RHODES Daur Female 21 " > " > Thomas RHODES Son Male 18 " > " > > Dwelling: 43 George St > Census Place: Heap, Lancashire, England > > Betsy Rhodes shortly thereafter married a "Thomas Bannister" and William > Rhodes > moved in with them until he passed away. > > -----Original Message----- > From: sylvia walch [mailto:[email protected]] > Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2000 4:25 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [ENG-LAN-MIDDLETON-L] RHODES-BUTTERWORTH-ASHWORTH-KERSHAW

Doreen I think we have been here before- how are you?? Janet ----- Original Message ----- From: "doreen EL-AHWANY" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, August 03, 2003 5:37 PM Subject: [ENG-LAN-MIDDLETON-L] Lost address book > Hi everyone, > > Due to a computer fault over the last week, I have lost my entire address > book and a load of emails awaiting replies. > > If anyone is awaiting a reply from me, could you please let me know? > > Thanks a lot, > Doreen in Middleton. > > [email protected] > > > ==== ENG-LAN-MIDDLETON Mailing List ==== > http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~emmaw/ for free Web Editor software. > Web space. ANY amount. ANY subject. > RootsWeb's Freepages put you in touch with millions. > http://cgi.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/acctform.cgi > >

Hi everyone, Due to a computer fault over the last week, I have lost my entire address book and a load of emails awaiting replies. If anyone is awaiting a reply from me, could you please let me know? Thanks a lot, Doreen in Middleton. [email protected]

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Alan, Please describe (in detail) a "classical family tree". At 04:00 AM 7/31/03 -0600, you wrote: >From: Alan Barnard <[email protected]> >To: [email protected] >Subject: [ENG-LAN-MIDDLETON-L] Re: Suggestion > >Can anyone suggest a good programme for producing a 'tree' from a >gedcom? I have used various genealogical programmes but have not been >able to find one that can produce a classical family tree. > >Alan

Great idea! Sarah - US/Mass.

How about the GenoPro program? Mike Morris Toronto Canada ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alan Barnard" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, July 30, 2003 2:09 PM Subject: [ENG-LAN-MIDDLETON-L] Re: Suggestion Can anyone suggest a good programme for producing a 'tree' from a gedcom? I have used various genealogical programmes but have not been able to find one that can produce a classical family tree. Alan At 11:38 30/07/2003 -0400, Mike Morris wrote: >The List is quiet, so it might be a good time for me to put in a suggestion. > >Do you have a situation where you want to make a comment in your family >tree? but feel frustrated because the tree program does not make >allowances for this other than to type your comments inside a persons box >in the tree. A comment or reminder you might forget because you cannot see >it with out opening the box?. > >Please consider the following idea. Create an empty box by adding a child >to the family. Then name the box 'NOTES'. Now as you glance down your tree >you can pick up these notes. > >I had an example were in the 1891 census Gorton Manchester, my SPENCER >family is listed with a young chap aged 3 who is listed as a cousin with >the surname name Mathews. This might be the son of a sister to the head of >the family. I would like to remember this name with out looking through my >paper records. I have other examples of notes I would like as a reminder. > >I hope you might find this useful. > >Kind regards > >Mike Morris > > >==== ENG-LAN-MIDDLETON Mailing List ==== >To unsubscribe, >you should send the command "unsubscribe" to >[email protected] >(if in mail mode) or [email protected] (if in >digest mode.) >To switch from one mode to the other, you should unsubscribe from one >and then subscribe to the other. If you >want messages to stop, you should simply unsubscribe. ____________________ Alan Barnard Burnaby, BC, Canada MLFHS 2361 NCFHS 1811 SfkFHS 5148 Have you visited www.bcitra.bc.ca? There you will find information on Senior's concerns, and information on our Family History Group. ==== ENG-LAN-MIDDLETON Mailing List ==== http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~emmaw/ for free Web Editor software. Web space. ANY amount. ANY subject. RootsWeb's Freepages put you in touch with millions. http://cgi.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/acctform.cgi

The List is quiet, so it might be a good time for me to put in a suggestion. Do you have a situation where you want to make a comment in your family tree? but feel frustrated because the tree program does not make allowances for this other than to type your comments inside a persons box in the tree. A comment or reminder you might forget because you cannot see it with out opening the box?. Please consider the following idea. Create an empty box by adding a child to the family. Then name the box 'NOTES'. Now as you glance down your tree you can pick up these notes. I had an example were in the 1891 census Gorton Manchester, my SPENCER family is listed with a young chap aged 3 who is listed as a cousin with the surname name Mathews. This might be the son of a sister to the head of the family. I would like to remember this name with out looking through my paper records. I have other examples of notes I would like as a reminder. I hope you might find this useful. Kind regards Mike Morris

Can anyone suggest a good programme for producing a 'tree' from a gedcom? I have used various genealogical programmes but have not been able to find one that can produce a classical family tree. Alan At 11:38 30/07/2003 -0400, Mike Morris wrote: >The List is quiet, so it might be a good time for me to put in a suggestion. > >Do you have a situation where you want to make a comment in your family >tree? but feel frustrated because the tree program does not make >allowances for this other than to type your comments inside a persons box >in the tree. A comment or reminder you might forget because you cannot see >it with out opening the box?. > >Please consider the following idea. Create an empty box by adding a child >to the family. Then name the box 'NOTES'. Now as you glance down your tree >you can pick up these notes. > >I had an example were in the 1891 census Gorton Manchester, my SPENCER >family is listed with a young chap aged 3 who is listed as a cousin with >the surname name Mathews. This might be the son of a sister to the head of >the family. I would like to remember this name with out looking through my >paper records. I have other examples of notes I would like as a reminder. > >I hope you might find this useful. > >Kind regards > >Mike Morris > > >==== ENG-LAN-MIDDLETON Mailing List ==== >To unsubscribe, >you should send the command "unsubscribe" to >[email protected] >(if in mail mode) or [email protected] (if in >digest mode.) >To switch from one mode to the other, you should unsubscribe from one >and then subscribe to the other. If you >want messages to stop, you should simply unsubscribe. ____________________ Alan Barnard Burnaby, BC, Canada MLFHS 2361 NCFHS 1811 SfkFHS 5148 Have you visited www.bcitra.bc.ca? There you will find information on Senior's concerns, and information on our Family History Group.

Hello All, I understand from earlier correspondence that the 1861 Census for Oldham has been indexed by surname only. Now that the 1861 Census has been released on CD, I am wondering whether this will make it easier to locate a family in the Census. Apparently there is no index for the whole County yet. I have been trying to trace a RATCLIFFE family and the 1861 Census is the only one that will record them all together. I know they moved to Oldham at some stage, and am trying to find out whether they were there in 1861. If anyone has this new CD, and is able and willing to check the name out for me I would be hugely grateful. The names are James and Ellen RATCLIFFE, Henry aged about 7, Ellen aged about 9 months, and another daughter in between those two. Any help or advice would be greatly appreciated thank you. Jan in NZ

Hi Joan, Here they are - I now have the CDs plus the index at home. The writing on the census pages are not too good. RG12/3320. 12/18 and 13/19. 24 Bk Chapel Street. Middleton. Walter Smith. H. M. 36. (S------?) Labourer. Lancs. Middleton. Lea (sic) Smith. W. M. 36. Cotton Card Room Hand. Lancs. Oldham. John S. Smith. S. 10. Lancs. Middleton. Martha (W?) Smith. D. 5. Lancs. Middleton. Mary A. Smith. D. Age? Lancs. Middleton. Jane Smith. D. 1. Lancs. Middleton. ----- Original Message ----- > Hi Doreen > Could you check the 1891 census for me while a the library? I am still > looking for Walter and Leah Smith plus any family. --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.500 / Virus Database: 298 - Release Date: 10/07/03

Hello Tracy, The best newspaper to look at would be the Manchester Evening News - held on microfilm at Manchester Central Library - but not indexed unfortunately. The Middleton Guardian also reported on some events from North Manchester (including around Heaton Park). This has been indexed and the index is held at Middleton Library on a card system. It is currently being computerised, but the staff are only up to the "C`s" at present. It may be worth checking this source - unless a lister remembers the incident. I can look at the index for you, but it may not be until next Monday, on my next visit. If you haven`t heard anything by then - let me know. Doreen (in Middleton) --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.500 / Virus Database: 298 - Release Date: 10/07/03

Hello listers, I have been directed here by members on the Lancashire list in the hope that someone may be able to advise me. I understand this list covers the area of my research better than the more general Lancs list. I am trying to trace the death of my FIL's brother MATTHEW EDWARD DUNNE he was known as TED). Matthew was born in Dublin around 1918 and moved to Manchester sometime during the period directly after WW11. Little is know about him, but what is know is that he lived in a flat in the Heaton Park area, was divorced and lived alone. I don't know if he had any children. We have been told that he was found dead in his flat during the spring of 1977, having been dead for anything up to 3 weeks. Certainly he had not been seen by his neighbours during that time. My problem is that I cannot find his death registered in the GRO indexes from 1976 to 1978. I have checked each year in full. My question is this - is there anyone on this list who lives locally to that area and may remember such a case? Perhaps it was in the newspapers? Could anyone give me any info on the local papers, such as what area/s they covered and where I might contact them? As this case is a little unusual, I am hoping that someone may remember roughly when it was and can point me in the direction of which year to search. Failing that I will have to search them all! Thank you. Tracy Tracy Dunne, Poole, Dorset.

Thank you Doreen, that's great! Joan Hi Joan, Here they are - I now have the CDs plus the index at home. The writing on the census pages are not too good. RG12/3320. 12/18 and 13/19. 24 Bk Chapel Street. Middleton. Walter Smith. H. M. 36. (S------?) Labourer. Lancs. Middleton. Lea (sic) Smith. W. M. 36. Cotton Card Room Hand. Lancs. Oldham. John S. Smith. S. 10. Lancs. Middleton. Martha (W?) Smith. D. 5. Lancs. Middleton. Mary A. Smith. D. Age? Lancs. Middleton. Jane Smith. D. 1. Lancs. Middleton. ----- Original Message ----- > Hi Doreen > Could you check the 1891 census for me while a the library? I am still > looking for Walter and Leah Smith plus any family. --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.500 / Virus Database: 298 - Release Date: 10/07/03 ==== ENG-LAN-MIDDLETON Mailing List ==== http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~emmaw/ for free Web Editor software. Web space. ANY amount. ANY subject. RootsWeb's Freepages put you in touch with millions. http://cgi.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/acctform.cgi

Hi Doreen Could you check the 1891 census for me while a the library? I am still looking for Walter and Leah Smith plus any family. Thank Joan Hello Tracy, The best newspaper to look at would be the Manchester Evening News - held on microfilm at Manchester Central Library - but not indexed unfortunately. The Middleton Guardian also reported on some events from North Manchester (including around Heaton Park). This has been indexed and the index is held at Middleton Library on a card system. It is currently being computerised, but the staff are only up to the "C`s" at present. It may be worth checking this source - unless a lister remembers the incident. I can look at the index for you, but it may not be until next Monday, on my next visit. If you haven`t heard anything by then - let me know. Doreen (in Middleton) --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.500 / Virus Database: 298 - Release Date: 10/07/03 ==== ENG-LAN-MIDDLETON Mailing List ==== >==== ENG-LAN-MIDDLETON Mailing List ==== To search the archives of this list go to: http://searches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl?surname=ENG-LAN-MIDDLETON [email protected]

>Hello Doreen, That would be really great. I will be keeping my fingers crossed. Thanks, Marina >X-Message: #2 >Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2003 20:29:12 +0100 >From: "doreen EL-AHWANY" <[email protected]> >To: [email protected] >Message-ID: <[email protected]> >Subject: Re: [ENG-LAN-MIDDLETON-L] DAVIES-accidental death >Content-Type: text/plain; > charset="iso-8859-1" >Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > >Marina, >I can check the newspaper index for you on Thursday (if not already done by >then) for the death of Thomas Davies. > >Doreen.

Hi again Bryan, As you are not familiar with the Heywood area of Lancashire I had a look through my 1881 census and came upwith these SIMCOCK families with connections to the area. Heap and Hopwod parishes of Heywood, and Bury about three miles west of Heywood. The Pot/Earthenware Dealer is hear again. Kind regards Sylvia. 1881 Dwelling: 2 Setting Barn Census Place: Newchurch, Lancashire, England Source: FHL Film 1341988 PRO Ref RG11 Piece 4127 Folio 77 Page 7 Marr Age Sex Birthplace George T. SIMCOCK M 26 M Heywood, Lancashire, England Rel: Head Occ: Pot Dealer Mary H. SIMCOCK M 24 F Bacup, Lancashire, England 1881 Dwelling: 1 Setting Barn Census Place: Newchurch, Lancashire, England Source: FHL Film 1341988 PRO Ref RG11 Piece 4127 Folio 77 Page 7 Marr Age Sex Birthplace Israel SIMCOCK M 53 M Biddlemoor, Stafford, England Rel: Head Occ: Farmer 18 Or 20 Acres Susan SIMCOCK M 53 F Bury, Lancashire, England Rel: Wife Occ: Home Duties Martha SIMCOCK U 27 F Bacup, Lancashire, England Rel: Daur Occ: Cotton Rover Mary J. SIMCOCK U 21 F Bacup, Lancashire, England Rel: Daur Occ: Housemaid Zackariah SIMCOCK U 19 M Bacup, Lancashire, England Rel: Son Occ: Printer (Apprentice) Joseph SIMCOCK U 16 M Bacup, Lancashire, England Rel: Son Handicap: Imbecile Israel SIMCOCK 6 M Bacup, Lancashire, England Rel: Grandson Occ: Scholar 1881 Dwelling: Broad Clough Census Place: Newchurch, Lancashire, England Source: FHL Film 1341988 PRO Ref RG11 Piece 4128 Folio 8 Page10 Marr Age Sex Birthplace Israel SIMCOCK M 34 M Bury, Lancashire, England Rel: Head Occ: Earthenware Dealer Susan E. SIMCOCK M 33 F March, Cambridge, England Rel: Wife 1881 Dwelling: 9 Park St,. Hopwood, (District of Heywood.) Census Place: Hopwood, Lancashire, England Source: FHL Film 1341922 PRO Ref RG11 Piece 3858 Folio 23 Page 44 Marr Age Sex Birthplace Henry SIMCOCK M 32 M Manchester, Lancashire, England Rel: Head Occ: Engine Driver At Mill Ellen SIMCOCK M 40 F Ireland Rel: Wife Occ: Wife Emily SIMCOCK U 12 F Heap, Lancashire, England Rel: Dau Occ: Scholar John H. SIMCOCK 7 M Heap, Lancashire, England Rel: Son Occ: Scholar