Hi everyone, For anyone with folk in a lodging house in Middleton around 1816, thought you might to see a copy of the rules (this is from a framed copy that was described in the Middleton Guardian 100 yrs later). Fourpence a night for bed; sixpence with supper. No more than five to sleep in one bed. No beer allowed in the kitchen. No smoking when in bed. No clothes to be washed on a Sunday. No boots to be warmed in bed. No dogs allowed upstairs. No gambling or fighting here. No extra charge for luggage. No razor-grinders taken in. Organ grinders to sleep in the attic. Donkeys, chaises, handcarts, and lurries let on hire. Mangling done here. Doreen in Middleton. --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.510 / Virus Database: 307 - Release Date: 14/08/2003

Hi, Does anyone have any connection to Doris Devenport died in the early 70's? Thanks Sandra --------------------------------- Want to chat instantly with your online friends? Get the FREE Yahoo!Messenger

Hello All, I am wondering whether someone who has access to the 1841 or 1851 Census indexes can help me find a family in the Spotland or Rochdale areas please. I realise that not all areas have been indexed, but wonder whether there is a local area index for this area. The family I am looking for are: SCHOFIELD, Edmund, Wheelwright. Age and place of birth unknown. SCHOFIELD, Betsy (or Betty). Age and birth place unknown. SCHOFIELD, John, b. c1834, probably born at Spotland. SCHOFIELD, Elizabeth, b. c1835, also born at Spotland There may be later children as well. Any info would be much appreciated thank you. Jan in N.Z.

Hi Jan, I have an Edmund Schofield b. 1806, married Elizabeth (Betty) Crossley b. abt. 1808 and died July 26, 1847 in Saddleworth. They have 9 children 2 of them are Elizabeth b. July 17, 1830 and an John b. Nov. 1846 in Rochdale. Please E-Mail me if this sounds familiar to you. My E-Mail is [email protected] I have more info on this family if it does. Darlene USA

> Hello Everyone I believe that the 1861 census of Oldham is now on CD. Is it by surname or district only. I have a James BINNS and Hannah BINNS living at 65 Chapel Street and am wondering if they are still there for this census. Would be grateful if someone was able to help me out. Thanks Elizabeth in NZ There's a useful site at http://www.lancslist.com/ which you can (hopefully) get look-ups from. Viv [email protected] Rugby, Warks., England Dystonia Society M00226 SDFHS 9551 U --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.507 / Virus Database: 304 - Release Date: 04/08/2003

Hello Everyone I believe that the 1861 census of Oldham is now on CD. Is it by surname or district only. I have a James BINNS and Hannah BINNS living at 65 Chapel Street and am wondering if they are still there for this census. Would be grateful if someone was able to help me out. Thanks Elizabeth in NZ

Dear Bill, Thanks for sending that on, but here is the connection that I have found. This also links with another history that some Nuttall cousin's did years ago. Dwelling: Bury Old Road Census Place: Heap, Lancashire, England Source: FHL Film 1341921 PR O Ref RG11 Piece 3854 Folio 54 Page 50 Marr Age Sex Birthplace Samuel NUTTALL M 40 M Crimble Heywood, Lancashire, England Rel: Head Occ: Cotton Loom Jobber (C M) Jane NUTTALL M 42 F Heywood, Lancashire, England Rel: Wife Occ: Housekeeper Betty NUTTALL U 19 F Heywood, Lancashire, England Rel: Daur Occ: Cotton Weaver (C M) Martha NUTTALL U 17 F Heywood, Lancashire, England Rel: Daur Occ: Cotton Weaver (C M) John NUTTALL U 16 M Heywood, Lancashire, England Rel : Son Occ: Cotton Weaver (C M) Alice NUTTALL 8 F Heywood, Lancashire, England Rel: Daur Occ : Scholar Thomas NUTTALL 4 M Oldham, Lancashire, England Rel: Son Occ: Scholar Mary NUTTALL 5w F Heywood, Lancashire, England Rel: Daur from 1881 Census, courtesy of William Whalley - letter July 2002 On Thursday, August 14, 2003, at 09:31 AM, Bill Rhodes wrote: > Dear Viv, > > Believe you also must have some PORTER cousins. > It is strange how this family (REPINGTON) Bible printed in 1663 is > connecting people. > > REPINGTON BIBLE PRINTED 1663 > > Inscriptions: > > Repington July 17 > Ripington > Ann Ripington was baptised at St. Johns in Chefter Tanvery 11th 1691 > > James Porter born March 17, 1822 > Sara Porter born August 17, 1823 > (Alis) Porter born June 6th, 1825 > *Jane Porter born March 18th 1828 > > Jane Porter her book. Steal not this book for fear of shame for hear > you > see the owners name. > > Robert Nuttall/Sarah Nuttal > Mary Lane Nuttal > > *Jane Porter married a Bannister, and this is how the Bible passed > down, > through my Bannister cousins (whom we are related through later > Rhodes). > There also might be a chance that Betsy Rhodes may have bought the > bible > from the Nuttall family who may have been destitute, but I lean heavily > towards Jane Porter to Bannister. The Nuttall entries I believe are > listings of Jane Porter's cousins whom she must have been close to. > > NUTTALL FAMILY 1881 British Census > > DWELLING: 24 Albert Street, Heap, Lancashire, England > > Robert NUTTALL Head M Male 56 Born Heywood, no Employment > **Sarah NUTTALL Wife M Fem 57 " Heywood > ***Alice A. NUTTALL Dau Fem 27 " Heywood Cotton Weaver > Patience NUTTALL Dau Fem 24 " Heywood Cotton Weaver > Prudence NUTTALL Dau Fem 22 " Heywood Cotton Weaver > ****Sarah A. NUTTALL Dau Fem 1 " Heywood > > **Sarah PORTER NUTTALL > ***Likely the Alice listed at your Mary's wedding > ****Sarah A. Nuttall likely born out of wedlock to a Nuttall daughter > > My theory is that Alice Nuttall must have had 2 children by Samuel > Lane, > both out of wedlock, then he died. > > Regards, > Bill Rhodes > > -----Original Message----- > From: Viv Pritchard [mailto:[email protected]] > Sent: Wednesday, August 13, 2003 4:18 AM > To: [email protected] > Subject: [ENG-LAN-MIDDLETON-L] John Whalley? > > >> I am looking for any information on my paternal grandfather, John >> Whalley, and his family. >> Marriage 22 October 1907 St James` Heywood. >> John WHALLEY age 24, bachelor, 112 Broad St Pendleton. >> father John Whalley to >> Mary NUTTALL age 26, spinster, 30 Bury St Heywood. >> father Samuel (deceased) an overlooker. >> witnesses Thomas WHALLEY and Alice Nuttall. > > Robert > > Try http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/cgi/search.pl > > There are six John Whalley births there. Worth trying? > > regards > > Viv > [email protected] > Rugby, Warks., England > Dystonia Society M00226 > SDFHS 9551 U > Looking for Albert Edwin LANE, after 1901, when he's living in Trinity > Street, Oldham, with his wife and children, running a grocer's shop. > > > > > > > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.507 / Virus Database: 304 - Release Date: 04/08/2003 > > > ==== ENG-LAN-MIDDLETON Mailing List ==== > If you are having trouble unsubscribing please contact the list owner > Joan > White [email protected] > > > ==== ENG-LAN-MIDDLETON Mailing List ==== > Make your own home page with IMS > Web Dwarf. Free HTML Editor http://www.webdwarf.net >

Thanks everyone for your help with the address search. Kind regards Sylvia.

Dear Viv, Believe you also must have some PORTER cousins. It is strange how this family (REPINGTON) Bible printed in 1663 is connecting people. REPINGTON BIBLE PRINTED 1663 Inscriptions: Repington July 17 Ripington Ann Ripington was baptised at St. Johns in Chefter Tanvery 11th 1691 James Porter born March 17, 1822 Sara Porter born August 17, 1823 (Alis) Porter born June 6th, 1825 *Jane Porter born March 18th 1828 Jane Porter her book. Steal not this book for fear of shame for hear you see the owners name. Robert Nuttall/Sarah Nuttal Mary Lane Nuttal *Jane Porter married a Bannister, and this is how the Bible passed down, through my Bannister cousins (whom we are related through later Rhodes). There also might be a chance that Betsy Rhodes may have bought the bible from the Nuttall family who may have been destitute, but I lean heavily towards Jane Porter to Bannister. The Nuttall entries I believe are listings of Jane Porter's cousins whom she must have been close to. NUTTALL FAMILY 1881 British Census DWELLING: 24 Albert Street, Heap, Lancashire, England Robert NUTTALL Head M Male 56 Born Heywood, no Employment **Sarah NUTTALL Wife M Fem 57 " Heywood ***Alice A. NUTTALL Dau Fem 27 " Heywood Cotton Weaver Patience NUTTALL Dau Fem 24 " Heywood Cotton Weaver Prudence NUTTALL Dau Fem 22 " Heywood Cotton Weaver ****Sarah A. NUTTALL Dau Fem 1 " Heywood **Sarah PORTER NUTTALL ***Likely the Alice listed at your Mary's wedding ****Sarah A. Nuttall likely born out of wedlock to a Nuttall daughter My theory is that Alice Nuttall must have had 2 children by Samuel Lane, both out of wedlock, then he died. Regards, Bill Rhodes -----Original Message----- From: Viv Pritchard [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Wednesday, August 13, 2003 4:18 AM To: [email protected] Subject: [ENG-LAN-MIDDLETON-L] John Whalley? > I am looking for any information on my paternal grandfather, John > Whalley, and his family. > Marriage 22 October 1907 St James` Heywood. > John WHALLEY age 24, bachelor, 112 Broad St Pendleton. > father John Whalley to > Mary NUTTALL age 26, spinster, 30 Bury St Heywood. > father Samuel (deceased) an overlooker. > witnesses Thomas WHALLEY and Alice Nuttall. Robert Try http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/cgi/search.pl There are six John Whalley births there. Worth trying? regards Viv [email protected] Rugby, Warks., England Dystonia Society M00226 SDFHS 9551 U Looking for Albert Edwin LANE, after 1901, when he's living in Trinity Street, Oldham, with his wife and children, running a grocer's shop. --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.507 / Virus Database: 304 - Release Date: 04/08/2003 ==== ENG-LAN-MIDDLETON Mailing List ==== If you are having trouble unsubscribing please contact the list owner Joan White [email protected]

> I am looking for any information on my paternal grandfather, John > Whalley, and his family. > Marriage 22 October 1907 St James` Heywood. > John WHALLEY age 24, bachelor, 112 Broad St Pendleton. > father John Whalley to > Mary NUTTALL age 26, spinster, 30 Bury St Heywood. > father Samuel (deceased) an overlooker. > witnesses Thomas WHALLEY and Alice Nuttall. Robert Try http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/cgi/search.pl There are six John Whalley births there. Worth trying? regards Viv [email protected] Rugby, Warks., England Dystonia Society M00226 SDFHS 9551 U Looking for Albert Edwin LANE, after 1901, when he's living in Trinity Street, Oldham, with his wife and children, running a grocer's shop. --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.507 / Virus Database: 304 - Release Date: 04/08/2003

Hello Sylvia, The postal address in those days would have included the nearest town which is "BILDESTON". Aaah, had some great meals there at "The Red House" some 30/35 years ago. Memories, eh? Barry Chapman, Tasmania, Australia birthplace of Errol Flynn, Ricky Ponting(for cricket fans) and the Tasmanian Devil! home to Mary Donaldson, the future Queen of Denmark.

Sylvia, Try <A HREF="http:mapquest.com">http://www.mapquest.com</A>. See link below. It will get you to Quebec. Maybe you can get around from there? Sarah US <A HREF="http://www.mapquest.com/maps/map.adp?addtohistory=&country=CA&address=&city=Quebec&state=&zipcode=&submit.x=0&submit.y=0">http://www.mapquest.com/maps/map.adp?addtohistory=&country=CA&address=& city=Quebec&state=&zipcode=&submit.x=0&submit.y=0</A>

Hi Sylvia Your second address is in Suffolk, England! He must have returned to the UK. I did an address search and it's still there today! Canada Cottage Ipswich Road Nedging Tye IPSWICH IP7 7BN Mind you, I don't know what "Bilstow" could be - unless it's a very badly written "Ipswich". Hope that helps David in Hertford, England ----- Original Message ----- From: "sylvia walch" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, August 12, 2003 9:42 PM Subject: [ENG-LAN-MIDDLETON-L] Canada > Is there anyone who can help with geographical information on Canada please. > > I have recently downloaded a 1916 Attestation-Paper, Canadian Over-seas > Expeditionary Force, for a man born in Oldham. > However I am having trouble reading one of the addresses and would like some > help please. > > The first address, 1916, seems to be 85 Le Cason, (or Le Caron) St Cote St > Paul, Montreal. Quebec. > A revised address is more of a problem but possibly, Canada Cottage > (N?)edging Tye, Nr Bil(s?)tow, Suffolk. > > My search engine has come up with a Suffolk in Quebec but I have failed to > come up with any map of the area > > > Any help always appreciated. > Kind regards > Sylvia. > > > ==== ENG-LAN-MIDDLETON Mailing List ==== > Make your own home page with IMS > Web Dwarf. Free HTML Editor http://www.webdwarf.net > >

Thanks for past help but please unsubscribe. ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, 28 January 2003 23:00 Subject: ENG-LAN-MIDDLETON-D Digest V03 #21

Is there anyone who can help with geographical information on Canada please. I have recently downloaded a 1916 Attestation-Paper, Canadian Over-seas Expeditionary Force, for a man born in Oldham. However I am having trouble reading one of the addresses and would like some help please. The first address, 1916, seems to be 85 Le Cason, (or Le Caron) St Cote St Paul, Montreal. Quebec. A revised address is more of a problem but possibly, Canada Cottage (N?)edging Tye, Nr Bil(s?)tow, Suffolk. My search engine has come up with a Suffolk in Quebec but I have failed to come up with any map of the area Any help always appreciated. Kind regards Sylvia.

I am looking for any information on my paternal grandfather, John Whalley, and his family. At present, all I have is the information contained on his marriage license: Marriage 22 October 1907 St James` Heywood. John WHALLEY age 24, bachelor, 112 Broad St Pendleton. father John Whalley to Mary NUTTALL age 26, spinster, 30 Bury St Heywood. father Samuel (deceased) an overlooker. witnesses Thomas WHALLEY and Alice Nuttall. I believe his occupation was listed as "news agent" and his father's was "gentleman." I believe that the Thomas Whalley who served as witness was his brother. Any information that can be found on either Whalley or any member of the family would be appreciated. Robert Whalley

Please can anyone help with information about details recorded in the Oldham - St Mary's marriage registers from 1820 - 1830. The family members I am interested in are BINNS Amelia, " George, " Abraham, Lucy, John. I know one family member Tabitha BINNS was married at St Mary's - Prestwich in 1823 to Ernest BARLOW but have had no luck with the other members. Thank you for your tiem and effort. Elizabeth Kelly in ChCh - NZ

Hello list, I am fairly new to this list as was wondering if anyone knows which church I would need to look at for my HODGIN family living at 11 Stable Street, from about 1913 to about 1930. Any advice much appreciated. Thanks, Linda

Hi again Bill, It seems strange that your brother is "walking" the streets of 1861 Heywood from far across the world. The addresses I sent you, taken from the grave record, are all within a few hundred yards of the census address he has found .------- Mary Rhodes /54 /wife of William/ died at 2 Bank Top St Heap. William Rhodes /71 /weaver / died at 27 Peel Lane Heap. Betsy Bannister nee Rhodes/ 56/ died at 21 Nellie St Heywood. Granville Bannister died at 21 Nellie St Heywood. Lovely to hear you are making progress. Kind regards. Sylvia ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Rhodes" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, August 07, 2003 1:04 AM Subject: [ENG-LAN-MIDDLETON-L] RHODES HEAP 1861 > Dear Sylvia, > > My brother looked through the 1861 census for Heap-Heywood. > He found the following, they lived on George St. > > RE9-2841 P 55 (108 OF 252) > > Wm Rhodes age 45 > Mary age 36 > Patience age 16 > John age 9 > P 56 > Samuel age 7 > Betty (Betsy) age 1 > > Kind regards, > Bill Rhodes >