Hi Mike, Glad to see you are still on the list!!! Haven`t any Lancashire names to submit - sorry! (I just happen to live in Middleton). P.S. Theres a list of local churches currently being indexed - just click below and look under "projects". Needs updating/revising when I have a few spare minutes. Doreen. http://mysite.freeserve.com/localresearch2 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.514 / Virus Database: 312 - Release Date: 28/08/2003

I am just starting my research and am searching the following names PARKER BLOOR CLOUGH HOLME Angie Parker

Dear Dorothy, Thanks to Sylvia Walch I have the following info that an "Abraham WILD" was a witness at my great-great grandfather's wedding in Bury. Since William Rhodes was from Heywood it is likely the witness Abraham Wild may have been a friend from Heywood. Marriage register - St Mary`s Bury. 15 Feb 1851. Page 200. Entry 399. William Rhodes (didn`t sign). Of full age. Bach. Weaver. Heywood. Father John Rhodes. Weaver. Mary Butterworth (didn`t sign). Of full age. Spinster. Heywood. Father - George Butterworth. Weaver. Wits - Abraham Wild (didn`t sign). Ra. Crompton (signed). By banns. -----Original Message----- From: H & D Wakelin [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Monday, September 08, 2003 1:15 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [ENG-LAN-MIDDLETON-L] A list of names I am researching. There mightn't be a lot of activity on this list, but at least it is quality! My family interests in the area are RICHARDSON from Middleton - I see my Thomas Richardson, shopkeeper, on the list of Constables. I would dearly like to find out who his father was as there are two possibilities, one James R from Heywood, the other Samuel R from Mottram in Logdendale (though also of Middleton later). Also these families from around the area - WILD from Heywood, PARR from Birch, DAWSON and BARLOW. All this is a long time ago - my most recent direct ancestor in the area left about 1870, and I can't trace John and Ann PARR after about 1805. Here's hoping. Dorothy ==== ENG-LAN-MIDDLETON Mailing List ==== Check out the Middleton site for up-dates http://www.vmims.com/middleton.htm

Hi Doreen, I still keep the Middleton list open although my family is not from Middleton. I consider myself a Middletonian having lived their in the early days of 1950 through to 1963. I enjoy it when people ask about the various buildings that are no longer in existence such as the 'Old Vic' the bug hut at the bottom of Wood street. And I can remember the odd church building in the Middleton area and also that there was one half way up Wood street. Alkrington hall was a place back in those early days where they held dances during the winter months. Or who remembers the swimming pool in Middleton, where they covered the floor in winter with wood so we could dance away the winter months. The market place in the pouring rain , the rain running down your neck from the canopies covering the stalls. The fresh tomatoes from Blackpool. 'Tommies' Fish and chips. The biggest store in Middleton was Woolworth's and next to that was the Coop. The store next to the Britannia pub that use to have sides of bacon hanging up and they would slice them while you waited. I was a nice feeling to arrive in the early hours of the morning on an all night bus from Piccadilly Manchester having just been given a short leave before leaving to go overseas with the forces. The walk up Wood street in a slight mist, you could see the orange street lights in the hills up the road to Oldham. It was always damp in Middleton, I guess because it was in a valley. I remembered you said you lived near the Middleton Junction. In the 1950's there was a railway station at the Junction. I use to catch the bus to work at a local cigarette manufacturers by the name of Senior Service cigarettes. I was laughing at the bus conductor one Friday night, he was complaining about the smells on the bus. We had tobacco, mixed with fish from a fish processing company, plus rubber and chemicals from Vita foam. Eeh! life were grand in them days....... :)) Thanks for being there Doreen you are a blessing to a lot of list members. All my best Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: "doreen EL-AHWANY" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, September 08, 2003 12:07 PM Subject: Re: [ENG-LAN-MIDDLETON-L] A list of names I am researching. Hi Mike, Glad to see you are still on the list!!! Haven`t any Lancashire names to submit - sorry! (I just happen to live in Middleton). P.S. Theres a list of local churches currently being indexed - just click below and look under "projects". Needs updating/revising when I have a few spare minutes. Doreen. http://mysite.freeserve.com/localresearch2

Ok, I'm not sure how this works, but I am researching KAY in Middleton, as well as WOLSTENHOLME, (sometimes spelled Woolstenhulme) also from Middleton. I have many questions, especially if anyone has access to records from before 1840 from the Middleton Parish registers. I would like so much to know where John Kay, a spinner, and Rachel Wolstenholme (born 1820) lived, went to church, etc. Rachel's parents were James Wolstenholme, a weaver, and Jane Greenhalgh. I did find their marriage register, dated Oct. 11, 1840. I particularly wish to know John Kay's birth date (he was married, being "of full age"), date of baptism, which might give me his mother's name, etc. Anything. They emigrated to Philadelphia, Pa. in 1845 with two small boys. This couple are my 3xGreat-Grandparents. Other surnames in Rachel Wolstenholme's background are Thorpe and Lancashire, of Walmersley, I believe. Many thanks, and greetings from Germany, where I, John and Rachel's American descendant, am currently living, Helen Kay Gelinas

Hi, I thought I`d respond as I don`t like to think of you bored. You never know someone might be able to help with my brick wall!! I`m researching HODGIN and TAYLOR my father was Arthur HODGIN father Richard HODGIN mother Eleanor TAYLOR. The TAYLOR line is my problem Eleanor was born about 1881 father Walter TAYLOR upholsterer she had one known sister Bertha the last address I have for them is in 1927 at the time of Eleanor`s death and that was 11 Stable Street, Chadderton, she died in Racefield pulmonary hospital aged only 45 the information I have is taken from their marriage certificates and the father`s details are the same on each. I have been unable to find them on any census mainly I think because I don`t know where they were born. I have found one Walter TAYLOR Upholsterer in 1881 with his wife Cathne. but cannot find either of them in 1891 or 1901. Any help appreciated. Linda

Wakey!! wakey!! Seeing as its so quiet on the List I thought now would be an opportune time to list my name interests. The holiday time is over, lets start seeing your queries, its been boring the last month. It would be interesting to have a roll call and see who is still on the list. If I don't see a heavy response soon, I may send the list a rough draft I have written of a time period when I was in the forces. I need something to read. You can all have a go at correcting the English or the punctuation for me :)) Seriously, lets see some of your names, some old faces have been missing. Best wishes to you all, I wish you lots of success with your research this coming winter. Mike Morris Toronto Canada Ex Manchester ATKIN Salford and Scotland BREAKELL Preston and Blackburn BROADY Northwich Cheshire DUFFY Manchester and Sligo Ireland. DONEGAN New Mills Derbyshire, Salford, Manchester and Kildare Ireland GAFFNEY Salford and Ireland JONES Salford JUDGE Salford and Roscommon Ireland MORRIS/FITZMORRIS Ireland, Knutsford, Salford and Manchester. McGOVERN Manchester PARSONAGE. Denton, Manchester, Knutsford and Oswestry Shropshire. SPENCER New Mills Derbyshire, Salford, Manchester and Scotland SMITH Northwich and Salford TIDSWELL. Manchester. THORNBER Preston, Blackburn, Golbourne Lancs and Knutsford Cheshire. WELLS Salford Mike Morris 49 Angora St. Scarborough, Ontario Canada M1G 1L6 Tel: (001) 416 431 6717

Can I urge all members to obtain a copy of this document and to complete the 35 page questionnaire. This may be one of the last chances to input before 24th October. Having read the excellent article by Anthony Camp onpages 6-9 of Family Tree Magazine, I for one am very concerned about the constraints that will be imposed on Family Historians. Unless we are prepared to input then we may be left high and dry. Copy can be obtained for £10 by phoning 0151-471-4514 E Mail [email protected] Janet Foreman East of London FHS 09252 researching KITE SUMMONS SEWELL SUMNER LLOYD & HOOK MLFHS 12038 researching MOULT HALL KERSHAW JOHNSON JACKSON HILTON TITTER researching HITCHENS LAITY in Cornwall

Hi, May I ask what this is all about? I must have missed something. Regards Peter ----- Original Message ----- From: "Janet Foreman" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, September 05, 2003 4:33 AM Subject: [ENG-LAN-MIDDLETON-L] civil Registration- Delivering Vital Changes > Can I urge all members to obtain a copy of this document and to complete the > 35 page questionnaire. This may be one of the last chances to input before > 24th October. > > Having read the excellent article by Anthony Camp onpages 6-9 of Family Tree > Magazine, I for one am very concerned about the constraints that will be > imposed on Family Historians. Unless we are prepared to input then we may be > left high and dry. > > Copy can be obtained for £10 by phoning 0151-471-4514 > E Mail [email protected] > > Janet Foreman > > East of London FHS 09252 > researching KITE SUMMONS SEWELL SUMNER LLOYD & HOOK > MLFHS 12038 > researching MOULT HALL KERSHAW JOHNSON JACKSON HILTON TITTER > > researching HITCHENS LAITY in Cornwall > > > ==== ENG-LAN-MIDDLETON Mailing List ==== > http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~emmaw/ for free Web Editor software. > Web space. ANY amount. ANY subject. > RootsWeb's Freepages put you in touch with millions. > >

Thank you to both Bill and Doreen for your excellent suggestions and help. I will follow them all up. If anyone comes across Abraham Jaques you will know where he can find a good home!! Regards Sue

Hello again Sue, Have just found some baptism extracts from St Leonards Middleton for Jaques/Jacques. Unfortunately, they are later dates 1831-46 so they won`t help. Doreen in Middleton. --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.514 / Virus Database: 312 - Release Date: 28/08/2003

Hi Sue, Before the Thornham churches were built, the inhabitants used Middleton St Leonards. Have you tried Prestwich St Mary for a marriage of Abraham? Or even Oldham St Mary? The marriage registers have been indexed for most of the Middleton churches - copies available at Middleton Library and on my computer. A baptism and burial index is also underway, but a little patchy at present. (The burials would also have been at St Leonards earlier on). I have some Jacques notes on file, and will check these tomorrow. Doreen in Middleton. http://mysite.freeserve.com/localresearch2 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.514 / Virus Database: 312 - Release Date: 28/08/2003

I wonder if anyone can help with this query?My ancestor Thomas Jaques was born circa 1825 somewhere around Middleton. I had never been able to find Thomas or his father Abraham in either the 1841 or 1851 censuses. Eventually I did find a Thomas of the right age living with his grandfather on Boardman Lane Middleton in 1841.This made me wonder if Abraham Jaques may have died As it is not a usual name I took a chance on a death certificate for an Abraham Jaques who died in 1839 which told me that he had been a weaver from Thornham who died aged 39 of consumption. I have previously looked for Abraham in the Middleton Marriage Registers with no success and so I am now trying to spread my net wider.On Genuki I looked at the church database to see which churches would have been nearest to Thornham and would have been founded by 1839.I found the following : Dog Road/Cotton Street Royton (Particular Baptist) St. John,Royton(Wesleyan Methodist) St Paul's (C of E) Royton Rochdale Road East Congregational Heywood. The next nearest after this was St Leonards Middleton. Does anyone have any idea where I could find the registers for these churches? Are any of them available on databases or in ways that don't involve travelling to either Middleton or Manchester. Also has anyone any further ideas,at the moment while it could be that the right Abraham or Thomas it is by no means proven. Regards Sue

Wait, no here is a Thomas JACQUES born exactly in 1825, 1881 census. Thomas JACQUES Head M Male 56 Middleton, Lancashire, England Florist Mary JACQUES Wife M Female 56 Blackley, Lancashire, England Florists Wife Sarah Ann JACQUES Daur U Female 31 Middleton, Lancashire, England Cotton Twiner William JACQUES Son U Male 20 Middleton, Lancashire, England Cotton Twiner Alfred JACQUES Son U Male 15 Middleton, Lancashire, England Spinner At Cotton Mill Ada JACQUES Grand Daur U Female 4 Middleton, Lancashire, England ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- Source Information: Dwelling 23 Thorpe St Census Place Middleton In Oldham, Lancashire, England Family History Library Film 1341979 Public Records Office Reference RG11 Piece / Folio 4091 / 46 Page Number 14 -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Tuesday, September 02, 2003 2:17 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [ENG-LAN-MIDDLETON-L] Jaques from Thornham I wonder if anyone can help with this query?My ancestor Thomas Jaques was born circa 1825 somewhere around Middleton. I had never been able to find Thomas or his father Abraham in either the 1841 or 1851 censuses. Eventually I did find a Thomas of the right age living with his grandfather on Boardman Lane Middleton in 1841.This made me wonder if Abraham Jaques may have died As it is not a usual name I took a chance on a death certificate for an Abraham Jaques who died in 1839 which told me that he had been a weaver from Thornham who died aged 39 of consumption. I have previously looked for Abraham in the Middleton Marriage Registers with no success and so I am now trying to spread my net wider.On Genuki I looked at the church database to see which churches would have been nearest to Thornham and would have been founded by 1839.I found the following : Dog Road/Cotton Street Royton (Particular Baptist) St. John,Royton(Wesleyan Methodist) St Paul's (C of E) Royton Rochdale Road East Congregational Heywood. The next nearest after this was St Leonards Middleton. Does anyone have any idea where I could find the registers for these churches? Are any of them available on databases or in ways that don't involve travelling to either Middleton or Manchester. Also has anyone any further ideas,at the moment while it could be that the right Abraham or Thomas it is by no means proven. Regards Sue ==== ENG-LAN-MIDDLETON Mailing List ==== http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~emmaw/ for free Web Editor software. Web space. ANY amount. ANY subject. RootsWeb's Freepages put you in touch with millions. http://cgi.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/acctform.cgi

Looking at http://www.familysearch.org you can see some records for Thomas Jaques: 1881 Census 97 Higher Wood Street Middleton in Oldham, Lanc Thomas JAQUES Head W 58 B. Middleton Laborer in Chemical Works Betty WRIGLEY Niece U 32 B. Middleton Cotton Weaver Alice FIELDING Boarder U 19 B. Middleton Silk Weaver Shows Thomas Jaques birthyear as 1823. In a sepearate record. There also shows a Thomas Jaques born before 1825 and birth/marriage in <Rawcliffe, Yorkshire, England>. Thomas Jaques father is shown as another "Thomas". Shows marriage to Hannah Maria STENNIT Marriage: 20 Apr 1846 Rawcliffe, Yorkshire, England. Of course the marriage record may have improperly listed place of birth... Can't find any ABRAHAM matches for your time frame. Regards, Bill Rhodes -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Tuesday, September 02, 2003 2:17 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [ENG-LAN-MIDDLETON-L] Jaques from Thornham I wonder if anyone can help with this query?My ancestor Thomas Jaques was born circa 1825 somewhere around Middleton. I had never been able to find Thomas or his father Abraham in either the 1841 or 1851 censuses. Eventually I did find a Thomas of the right age living with his grandfather on Boardman Lane Middleton in 1841.This made me wonder if Abraham Jaques may have died As it is not a usual name I took a chance on a death certificate for an Abraham Jaques who died in 1839 which told me that he had been a weaver from Thornham who died aged 39 of consumption. I have previously looked for Abraham in the Middleton Marriage Registers with no success and so I am now trying to spread my net wider.On Genuki I looked at the church database to see which churches would have been nearest to Thornham and would have been founded by 1839.I found the following : Dog Road/Cotton Street Royton (Particular Baptist) St. John,Royton(Wesleyan Methodist) St Paul's (C of E) Royton Rochdale Road East Congregational Heywood. The next nearest after this was St Leonards Middleton. Does anyone have any idea where I could find the registers for these churches? Are any of them available on databases or in ways that don't involve travelling to either Middleton or Manchester. Also has anyone any further ideas,at the moment while it could be that the right Abraham or Thomas it is by no means proven. Regards Sue ==== ENG-LAN-MIDDLETON Mailing List ==== http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~emmaw/ for free Web Editor software. Web space. ANY amount. ANY subject. RootsWeb's Freepages put you in touch with millions. http://cgi.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/acctform.cgi

Tar Janet ----- Original Message ----- From: "doreen EL-AHWANY" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, August 29, 2003 10:02 PM Subject: Re: [ENG-LAN-MIDDLETON-L] Middleton Lodging House Rules > Hi Janet, > I`ve never seen any such lists. I suppose people just came and went without > any form of registers being kept. > Would be interesting to find out more though. > The later census records showed quite a few as "Lodging House keepers". > > Doreen. > > > > > Doreen Are there any existing lists for the lodging houses? I assume > > they were common lodging houses for travellers passing through- Janet > > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.510 / Virus Database: 307 - Release Date: 14/08/2003 > > > ==== ENG-LAN-MIDDLETON Mailing List ==== > Make your own home page with IMS > Web Dwarf. Free HTML Editor http://www.webdwarf.net > >

thanks Doreen, interesting reading. Angela ----- Original Message ----- From: "doreen EL-AHWANY" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, August 29, 2003 5:49 PM Subject: [ENG-LAN-MIDDLETON-L] Middleton Lodging House Rules > Hi everyone, > > For anyone with folk in a lodging house in Middleton around 1816, thought > you might to see a copy of the rules (this is from a framed copy that was > described in the Middleton Guardian 100 yrs later). > > Fourpence a night for bed; sixpence with supper. > No more than five to sleep in one bed. > No beer allowed in the kitchen. > No smoking when in bed. > No clothes to be washed on a Sunday. > No boots to be warmed in bed. > No dogs allowed upstairs. > No gambling or fighting here. > No extra charge for luggage. > No razor-grinders taken in. > Organ grinders to sleep in the attic. > Donkeys, chaises, handcarts, and lurries let on hire. > Mangling done here. > > Doreen in Middleton. > > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.510 / Virus Database: 307 - Release Date: 14/08/2003 > > > ==== ENG-LAN-MIDDLETON Mailing List ==== > Check out the Middleton site for up-dates http://www.vmims.com/middleton.htm > >

Nice one Doreen ! Can see the reason for no boots with five to a bed. Regards. Sylvia. ----- Original Message ----- From: "doreen EL-AHWANY" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, August 29, 2003 3:49 PM Subject: [ENG-LAN-MIDDLETON-L] Middleton Lodging House Rules > Hi everyone, > > For anyone with folk in a lodging house in Middleton around 1816, thought > you might to see a copy of the rules (this is from a framed copy that was > described in the Middleton Guardian 100 yrs later). > > Fourpence a night for bed; sixpence with supper. > No more than five to sleep in one bed. > No beer allowed in the kitchen. > No smoking when in bed. > No clothes to be washed on a Sunday. > No boots to be warmed in bed. > No dogs allowed upstairs. > No gambling or fighting here. > No extra charge for luggage. > No razor-grinders taken in. > Organ grinders to sleep in the attic. > Donkeys, chaises, handcarts, and lurries let on hire. > Mangling done here. > > Doreen in Middleton. > > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.510 / Virus Database: 307 - Release Date: 14/08/2003 > > > ==== ENG-LAN-MIDDLETON Mailing List ==== > Check out the Middleton site for up-dates http://www.vmims.com/middleton.htm > >

Hi Janet, I`ve never seen any such lists. I suppose people just came and went without any form of registers being kept. Would be interesting to find out more though. The later census records showed quite a few as "Lodging House keepers". Doreen. > Doreen Are there any existing lists for the lodging houses? I assume > they were common lodging houses for travellers passing through- Janet --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.510 / Virus Database: 307 - Release Date: 14/08/2003

Doreen Are there any existing lists for the lodging houses? I assume they were common lodging houses for travellers passing through- Janet Foreman ----- Original Message ----- From: "doreen EL-AHWANY" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, August 29, 2003 3:49 PM Subject: [ENG-LAN-MIDDLETON-L] Middleton Lodging House Rules > Hi everyone, > > For anyone with folk in a lodging house in Middleton around 1816, thought > you might to see a copy of the rules (this is from a framed copy that was > described in the Middleton Guardian 100 yrs later). > > Fourpence a night for bed; sixpence with supper. > No more than five to sleep in one bed. > No beer allowed in the kitchen. > No smoking when in bed. > No clothes to be washed on a Sunday. > No boots to be warmed in bed. > No dogs allowed upstairs. > No gambling or fighting here. > No extra charge for luggage. > No razor-grinders taken in. > Organ grinders to sleep in the attic. > Donkeys, chaises, handcarts, and lurries let on hire. > Mangling done here. > > Doreen in Middleton. > > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.510 / Virus Database: 307 - Release Date: 14/08/2003 > > > ==== ENG-LAN-MIDDLETON Mailing List ==== > Check out the Middleton site for up-dates http://www.vmims.com/middleton.htm > >