Wow Sylvia! I think the first bunch is mine... You have allowed me to crack a second secret that I've been struggling with: who were Robert Hamilton's siblings. Now I have the whole lot of them. I'm thinking Robert was the oldest child of Wright and Jane. He moved out by the 1861 census. Robert's widow and child (Sarah Emerson and John Hamilton) were at this address of School Fold by the 1881 census. I am so very grateful to you for this information. Sarah Hamilton

Doreen, You are very kind for fitting me in. Thank you. Sarah

Dear Sylvia, That would be great. Yes, the source of these names was the IGI but I am not the original researcher. In terms of other addresses that may or may not be helpful: * I have no address info for John and Hannah Hamilton. * For Robert Hamilton and Sarah Emerson Hamilton, School Fold in Unsworth, Pilkington, 1855; for same in 1851 only knowledge is they were married at St. Michael's Tonge in Oldham. *From Sylvia,1861 census Unsworth, Pilkington -- Hollins Lane address for Robert Hamilton, Sarah Emerson Hamilton  and John Hamilton son  all born Prestwich. * For Wright Hamilton and Jane Howarth Hamilton, Oldham is listed on marriage cert. in 1829. * Jane Howarth relatives include a Joseph Howarth in 1855, at at the address of 59 Eton Hill Rd., in Radcliffe.  In 1855 there is an address for James Howarth at 35 Lily Hill St., Whitefield.  * Wright Hamilton and Elizabeth Hamilton, Hillock Lane, Pilkington 1848. *65 Edwards Street, Pilkington, for John Howarth in 1891. Thank you again.. Sarah H.

Hi Sarah, The film for St Michaels is at the local library so will check the full details when next in. (The index contains only names, date, and church). Doreen. ----- Original Message ----- > Hi Doreen, > Thank you for looking these up! Hate to ask a dumb question but in these > registries is there any mention of parentage or witnesses or would this only be > the type of thing one could get on a copy of the marriage certificate? --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.514 / Virus Database: 312 - Release Date: 28/08/2003

Hi Doreen Thank you for looking for me. I haven't got a date as such but the family grave in Rochdale Cemetery was purchased on 1/11/1855 and the rest of the family are in this grave, Jane would have been born about 1777. I am hoping if I can find her burial it will give me a birth date. Shirley At 10:21 PM 9/09/03 +0100, you wrote: >Hi Shirley, > >Jane Blakey isn`t on the burials index as yet, but as these are ongoing - >its possible she could appear later. >Have you any idea of a possible year? > >Doreen. > >----- Original Message ----- > > Hi Doreen > > Could you please look in the film for Jane Blakey her husband and rest of > > family buried in Rochdale Cem. but Jane is not with them. I think she may > > have died before this cemetery opened. St Leonards is where her son was > > married so I am hoping she is there. Thank you. > > >--- >Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). >Version: 6.0.514 / Virus Database: 312 - Release Date: 28/08/2003 > > >==== ENG-LAN-MIDDLETON Mailing List ==== >Make your own home page with IMS >Web Dwarf. Free HTML Editor http://www.webdwarf.net

I posted this to two other lists. It looks like I have unleashed a monster, all the Lists are very busy. Thanks for all being there, even the lurkers :))). it was getting very quiet with out your participation. My best wishes for success in your research. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: "Marina Black" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2003 1:15 AM Subject: [ENG-LAN-MIDDLETON-L] Busy,busy,busy! Well Mike, You certainly know how to stir things up, don't you! How many lists are you on, and have you done the same to them all?

I believe these stories are invaluable to our collections Mike. I certainly will ask mum when I speak to her next. She's an ex St.Gabriels school girl if anyone else is familiar and she married in that church. All our Clayton family worked at mill at one time. The youngest of my Grandmother's sisters is still living and she told us that she worked her first year at the mill for nothing ! Angela ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Morris" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2003 5:24 PM Subject: [ENG-LAN-MIDDLETON-L] Middleton past > Angela, > there was an old Middleton saying....... > 'You can take the lad/lass out of Middleton, but you cannot take Middleton > out of the lad/lass' > > I think it was an old Cotton mill saying and it applied to most of the small > towns around the area . Oldham, Heywood, Rochdale and Bury etc. > > I know this is not genealogy and we would get our wrists slapped on the > Lancs and Manchester list for bringing up these topics. But I have always > found the Middleton List to be receptive to the odd little story about the > small town and its folk. > > Ask your Mom if she remembers in the centre of Middleton, at the bottom of > Wood street, there was a chap who sold a Saturday evening Football paper, it > might have been called the 'Football Pink'. People can be so cruel, they use > to call him 'daft Jimmy'. He was just one of the many characters that lived > in Middleton in the 1950's. He was a lovable character. > > Best wishes > Mike > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Angela & Kostas Nicolaou" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2003 1:41 AM > Subject: Re: [ENG-LAN-MIDDLETON-L] A note of appreciation to a good friend > to the list > > > Hi Mike, > > I'm the daughter of a Middleton junction lass and I'm going to send mum your > lovely walk down memory lane. She will enjoy this, thank you ! > > Angela > Cyprus > > > ==== ENG-LAN-MIDDLETON Mailing List ==== > >==== ENG-LAN-MIDDLETON Mailing List ==== > To search the archives of this list go to: > http://searches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/[email protected] >

Hi Sarah & Doreen, Walker Hamilton is a widower at Unsworth Pole in 1861. A cordwainer (shoemaker) with children Alice 15, Elizabeth 13, and George 9. Wright and Jane Hamilton both age 51 are at School Fold with four children. Regards Sylvia. ----- Original Message ----- From: "doreen EL-AHWANY" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2003 9:54 PM Subject: Re: [ENG-LAN-MIDDLETON-L] A note of appreciation to a good friend to the list > Hi Sarah, > > Have checked St Michaels Tonge for HAMILTON mentions. No burials or > baptisms. Besides the Robert Hamilton marriage that you already have, there > is a marriage of a Walker Hamilton and Ann Fletcher on 26 May 1845. > > The index to this church is as yet - incomplete. > > Doreen. >

Hi Sylvia and Doreen, Thanks again for this info... Sylvia, is there any info on the names of the children living with Wright and Jane Hamilton at this address in 1861? I am trying to find any siblings related to my g-g-ggrandfather Robert Hamilton. This census data is terrific since it's the first I've learned of any other children to Wright and Jane. They are also at the address of birth for their grandson (my greatgrandfather, confirmed by birth certificate)!! Are there other Howarths in the immediate area of School Fold or do I need to give you a street address for this census search? Do you have any other Hamiltons as follows: Hamiltons at Unsworth born to John & Hannah-- below are siblings to Wright Hamilton, whose parents are John & Hannah Hamilton. Thos    7  Dec  1788 Sally   10 Oct 1790 Wm     9th Oct 1792 John   15th Feb 1795 Robt    25th Oct 1796 Jas     27th Jan 1799 Geo    21 Dec 1800 I'd be most grateful for any additional info you could provide. Sincerely, Sarah Hamilton US/Mass.

Hi Shirley, Jane Blakey isn`t on the burials index as yet, but as these are ongoing - its possible she could appear later. Have you any idea of a possible year? Doreen. ----- Original Message ----- > Hi Doreen > Could you please look in the film for Jane Blakey her husband and rest of > family buried in Rochdale Cem. but Jane is not with them. I think she may > have died before this cemetery opened. St Leonards is where her son was > married so I am hoping she is there. Thank you. --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.514 / Virus Database: 312 - Release Date: 28/08/2003

Well Mike, You certainly know how to stir things up, don't you! How many lists are you on, and have you done the same to them all? I have enjoyed reading your bits and pieces about "the good old days". I am one of those unfortunate folks who have family from that area but have never been there myself. My mother was born in Chadderton but left when she was about 5 or 6yrs. old and moved to Suffolk. My grandparents had little of their Lancashire accents left by the time I came along and I only met some of the aunts and uncles about twice. I remember being fascinated by the way they talked, even when I didn't understand all they were saying. Anyway, thanks for getting us all going again and thanks also to Doreen who is always there with a helping hand. And while I'm at it here are my Lancs names DAVIES(Davis) - Tongue & Little lever & Darcy Lever SHAW & WOOLLEY - Stalybridge PROCTOR - Oldham (from about 1895 on) I also wonder if anyone has any of the following marriages in their files: Sarah Davies & Alfred BUTTERWORTH 1896 Hanah Davies & William BRADLEY 1888 Alice Davies & William WHITEHEAD 1874 Chadwick Davies & Mary RAMSDEN about 1850 Best wishes and Good Hunting to all. Marina

Hi Doreen, Thank you for looking these up! Hate to ask a dumb question but in these registries is there any mention of parentage or witnesses or would this only be the type of thing one could get on a copy of the marriage certificate? Thank you kindly! Sarah Hamilton US/Massachusetts

Hi Sylvia! You have just solved one of the mysteries that I've been working on for awhile. Thank you so very much! I FINALLY have a birth year and town of birth for Robert Hamilton, my g-g-g grandfather and Sarah Emerson. I wish there were some way I could help you as you have me! Sarah Hamilton US/Mass.

Hi Sarah, Have checked St Michaels Tonge for HAMILTON mentions. No burials or baptisms. Besides the Robert Hamilton marriage that you already have, there is a marriage of a Walker Hamilton and Ann Fletcher on 26 May 1845. The index to this church is as yet - incomplete. Doreen. ----- Original Message ----- > I notice Doreen that you have some birth, marriage, and death records from > St. Michael's Tonge parish and would be interested in any and all related to the > above individuals. If there's a chance there may be info, I will be happy to > give you any more specifics.... --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.514 / Virus Database: 312 - Release Date: 28/08/2003

Hi Doreen Could you please look in the film for Jane Blakey her husband and rest of family buried in Rochdale Cem. but Jane is not with them. I think she may have died before this cemetery opened. St Leonards is where her son was married so I am hoping she is there. Thank you. Shirley from Australia At 10:01 PM 8/09/03 +0100, you wrote: >Hi Alison, > >Unfortunately, the burial films for St Leonards only go up to 1903. The >later registers are still at the church. >It is possible there may be something in the Middleton Guardian (in the >deaths). The library have quite a good newspaper index. >Doreen. > > > > > Hi Doreen > > I've just seen you are indexing St Leonards burials. I'm looking for >Barton > > about 1910 - have you got that far? > > >--- >Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). >Version: 6.0.514 / Virus Database: 312 - Release Date: 28/08/2003 > > >==== ENG-LAN-MIDDLETON Mailing List ==== > >==== ENG-LAN-MIDDLETON Mailing List ==== >To search the archives of this list go to: >http://searches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/[email protected]

Hi List,I have heard my Mum say that saying when she was alive. She lived in Middleton Junction, In fact I was born there. Moved when I was 4.Ethel and Alfred Kay were my aunt and uncle and they lived in Wood st. It was a bit of a hill wasn't it. Sandra Mike Morris <[email protected]> wrote:Angela, there was an old Middleton saying....... 'You can take the lad/lass out of Middleton, but you cannot take Middleton out of the lad/lass' I think it was an old Cotton mill saying and it applied to most of the small towns around the area . Oldham, Heywood, Rochdale and Bury etc. I know this is not genealogy and we would get our wrists slapped on the Lancs and Manchester list for bringing up these topics. But I have always found the Middleton List to be receptive to the odd little story about the small town and its folk. Ask your Mom if she remembers in the centre of Middleton, at the bottom of Wood street, there was a chap who sold a Saturday evening Football paper, it might have been called the 'Football Pink'. People can be so cruel, they use to call him 'daft Jimmy'. He was just one of the many characters that lived in Middleton in the 1950's. He was a lovable character. Best wishes Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: "Angela & Kostas Nicolaou" To: Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2003 1:41 AM Subject: Re: [ENG-LAN-MIDDLETON-L] A note of appreciation to a good friend to the list Hi Mike, I'm the daughter of a Middleton junction lass and I'm going to send mum your lovely walk down memory lane. She will enjoy this, thank you ! Angela Cyprus ==== ENG-LAN-MIDDLETON Mailing List ==== >==== ENG-LAN-MIDDLETON Mailing List ==== To search the archives of this list go to: http://searches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/[email protected] --------------------------------- Want to chat instantly with your online friends? Get the FREE Yahoo!Messenger

Hi Sarah, If you have this already just delete. RG9/ 2857/ folio 26 1861 census Unsworth, Pilkington. Hollins Lane. Robert Hamilton head married age 31 cotton weaver by power born Prestwich. Sarah Hamilton wife married age 36 cotton weaver by power born Prestwich. John Hamilton son age 6 scholar born Prestwich. Kind regards Sylvia.

Dear List 1881 census 18 Church St Middleton in Oldham Edwin LEES 32 b. Manchester, coachman Alice LEES (nee WRIGHT)31, b.Levenshulme James LEES 7, b swinton Daniel Pearson LEES 5 b.Swinton Silas WRIGHT boarder(also Alice's brother) 28 b. Levenshulme Coachman Is anyone else researching this family?? Best wishes Louise Lancashire Surnames FISHWICK - Leigh/Atherton /Turton LONSDALE - Wavertree EDWARDS - Wavertree LEES - Pendlebury, Worsley, Swinton, Middleton HIGNETT - Toxteth, Wavertree BURGESS - West Derby GRUNDY - Leigh, Atherton ROYLE - Pendleton, Worsley, Swinton TURNER - Toxteth LEATHER - Toxteth BRADLEY - Newton HEATON - Leigh, Atherton WRIGHT - Levenshulme, Middleton GREENHALGH - Pendlebury (&???Bolton) ROGERS - Eccles, Worsley WALLWORK - Ringley, Leigh, Clifton

Thank you Bill. Unfortunately Wild was a common name in the area - I've collected hundreds of them - and I can't find a link to Abraham. If there is a link it is further back than I've been able to go with my family. Thanks anyway. I've had a look at all the stuff I've collected for my families in the area and found the following Rhodes mentioned (both in Middleton parish): James Dawson, weaver, of this parish, married Mary Rhodes, widow, on 6 Feb 1815; Esther Wild, of this parish, married Benjamin Rhodes, of this parish, innkeeper on 2 May 1831. Good luck with your hunt. Dorothy

Hello again, and thank you Sylvia. Unfortunately none of the Wilds are mine. If they are related the link is back in the 18th century somewhere. The Parr marriages are probably connected. I'll see if I can link them up to the ones I've found. Thanks. Dorothy ----- Original Message ----- From: "sylvia walch" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2003 9:17 AM Subject: Re: [ENG-LAN-MIDDLETON-L] A list of names I am researching.