Hi Doreen, Thanks for your reply.. Is Chadderton anywhere near Tonge? This pair were both employed as weavers, I'd assumed in Tonge because there were mills there and that's where they were married. Sarah

Hi, Everyone, I've completed the easy part of my family research, tracing all branches to the 1841 census and finding all the relevant births and marriages from 1837. Before I begin the difficult part it would be sensible to ask if anybody has already been there. By the 1850s all family branches of my maternal grandfather, Joe Hulse b.1896, were living in Rhodes. These are the earliest records I have of those four branches, with my direct forebears in capitals. JOSEPH HULSE (d.bef.1841) m. ALICE (b.1780 Blackley). 1841 living in Boardman Lane, Rhodes. Children: ISAAC b.1816, Great Heaton (Rhodes); Emma b.1820, Prestwich; Edward b.abt.1826 JOHN FAIRBROTHER (d.bef.1841) m. MALLY (b.abt.1876). 1841 living in Church Croft, Middleton. Children: Thomas; William b.abt.1811; AMELIA b.1817 Chadderton; James b.1823. THOMAS CLARKSON (b.1802 Whiton, Cheshire) m. SARAH GREAVES (b.abt.1806). 1841 living in Boardman Lane, Rhodes. Children: James b.abt.1826; William b.abt.1826; John b.1828 Middleton; Thomas b.1830 Middleton; Samuel b.1832 Middleton; Joseph b.1834 Middleton; PETER b.1837 Rhodes; Robert b.1839 Rhodes. JAMES ALBISON* (b.1812 Prestwich) m. JANE YATES (b.1802 Prestwich). 1841 living in Simister Lane, Little Heaton (Simister). Children; Robert b.1832; Sarah b.1836; ANN b.1837 Simister Lane, Lt Heaton; Martha b.1839 Prestwich; Leah b.1842 Simister Lane, Lt Heaton. *spelling variations on census and certificates are Albeson/Allbeson/Albinson. I'm already aware of the many references (and many errors) to some of these people on IGI but would like to hear of confirmation from the original records before I accept the information. There's an example of brothers marrying sisters from these families. PETER CLARKSON married ANN ALBISON and Robert Clarkson (already a widower at 23) remarried Leah Albison. My grandfather, Joe Hulse, became landlord of the Pleasant Inn, corner of Crab Lane and Chapel Lane, Higher Blackley from the 1930s to the 1960s and I lived at the Pleasant Inn in the early 1950s. Regards, and thanks for any info, David O'Malley.

Hello Sarah, There are no Hamiltons in Tonge on the 1851 census. There is one family in Chadderton - HO107/2242 folio 46. Don`t have access to this part of the census - perhaps someone could check this for you? Doreen. --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.518 / Virus Database: 316 - Release Date: 11/09/2003

Dear List, Thanks to Sylvia for the 1861 census info on Robert and Sarah Hamilton, and other Hamiltons in the area of Unsworth. I have a new query-- Robert and Sarah Hamilton were married in St. Micheal's Tonge in 1851. Does anyone have access to census information for Tonge in 1851, specifically looking for a Robert Hamilton, born about 1830 and a Sarah Hamilton (nee Emerson) born 1825 to Joseph Emerson, Unsworth, mother unknown. Many thanks... Sarah Hamilton

Nice to hear from you Alan. Leo Augustus Ignatius to give him his full name was born in Mossley, Lancs. Wife Elizabeth born Stalybridge, Annie in Ashton-u-L, Mabel, Alfred and Gilbert in Dukinfield so they got around a lot. I have access to the 1881 & 91 census and I was hoping someone might have known a descendant of the family e.g. someone with a grandad called Alfred or Gilbert. Leo and wife were married on 6 Sep 1890 at the Register Office in Ashton so it looks as though they were not Catholics though Leo's parents were. Possibly therefore the children were not married in church but things could change. Don't know if you can help further but thanks for your offer. Regards, Alf

Hello Dave, thank you for sending your kind and interesting letter to the list. Please be aware I am not the List owner it belongs to a lady named Joan White. However, the list I am sure, is always pleased to see a new face and an old timer who might remember some family names or street locations in Old Middleton. I assume you read my 'Memory of Wood street' in the archives of the Middleton list? The archives are a great place to catch up on past queries from other List member's. The List was created to help people trace their family history (Genealogy) in the Middleton area. Actually, its not meant for us to digress with stories of Middleton unless it relates to Middleton's history. However, I like to remember past events, I have lots of fond memories of my time period in Middleton. My family are not from Middleton, they are from south Manchester, although I have found a great great great grandmother Margaret Beswick who was born in Oldham and possibly married my great great great grandfather Henry Parsonage around the 1820's in Oldham. I say possibly because they had a son name John born in 1823 in Oldham. Thank you for sharing your time period in Middleton, you have brought back a lot of good memories. Lets hope you stay a while and share your family names. It really is an enjoyable hobby and a great way to meet lots of nice people from around the world and Middleton. I lived on Fairfield road off Wood street on Langley estate which was not that far from the 'Who'd a thow't it' . You must have had your hair cut by Joe the Barber? his shop was not that far from this pub near the reservoir. Kind regards Mike Mike Morris Toronto Canada Ex Middleton, Hulme and Moss Side. ----- Original Message ----- From: Dave Singleton To: [email protected] Sent: Monday, September 22, 2003 5:40 AM Subject: Re: [ENG-LAN-MIDDLETON-L] Middleton past: Wood street Mike You have not heard from me before, my name is Dave Singleton and i have just read your article memories of wood street. having been a moonraker for the past 50 years you stired up some old memories for myself, i left middleton in 1974 to live on the south coast Bournemouth to be excact. I was born in the prefabs in boarshaw and moved to Top street which was on the boarder of the Langley estate almost opposite the who'd a thow't it pub on wood street, i have some very fond memories of middleton and we do go back quite often as my inlaws still live on green lane boarshaw. Daft Jimmy i do remember him used to do a funny song and dance if you asked him, liked him harmless and funny, how i stumbled on your web site was i was reading an article in the middleton guardian about the coal mines of middleton and it was discontinued so i tried to research myself hence came across this web site with a whole load of ex pats researching their kinfolk. Alas middleton is not what it used to be the planners have gone mad destroying what was the best town to grow up in, Ihave worked in several mills in and around middleton, began my working life as an apprentise engineer in the junction mill left there and went working for a company right in the heart of middleton (texinra) which is now McBrides, then to the cromer cotton mill boarshaw (i think everybody worked there at some time or other) from there it was back to middleton junction swan mill for my last couple of years working in middleton. When i go to stay with my inlaws i always walk the canal from boarshaw to middleton junction it is a fabulous place, i can remember some of the ols cottages on the side of the canal and a pub called i think the duke of lancaster the next pub was the rose of lancaster at mills hill, last year i was walking along the canal and i was met by a sight that i thought i would never see, barges using the canal agian, there is still some work to be done but there may be some life in middleton yet, I could go on for hours here Mike but i am sure you are a busy man so i will say goodbye for now and if i can be of any assistance in the future please fell free to contact me, once again thenk you for kick starting the old memory back into gear. [email protected] ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Morris" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2003 8:22 PM Subject: [ENG-LAN-MIDDLETON-L] Middleton past: Wood street > Memories of Wood street Middleton 1952. > > It was a very steep hill leading to Langley estate, very narrow. Yet > Manchester City Cooperation managed to drive double decker buses up and > down, past each other on both sides of the street in all types of weather. > At one point the sidewalk /pavement was about 18" lower than the road. > Possibly they were trying to change the incline for the buses. The buses had > no passenger doors, just an open platform with a hand pole in the middle so > you could hang on to it for safety. While the Bus was still speeding but > slow enough to beat the traffic lights, the bus conductor would get out of > the way to allow some of the passengers from Langley to hop of the buses, > just as it was rounding the corner from Wood street to enter the Middleton > Garden area close to Tommy's supper bar. Some buses were classed as express > buses which meant they were none stop to Manchester city centre. If you did > not hop off quick enough, it meant you could finish up in Manchester. > > At the top of the old Wood street in a side street by the reservoir was a > gents barber's shop called 'Joes'. Outside was parked Joe's large motor bike > with a side car. The old section of Wood street ended at this area, there > was a row of houses across the top section preventing entrance to Langley > estate. Just behind the houses the new Wood street entered the new Langley > estate. > > The windows in the barber shop would be streaming with condensation, the air > was blue with thick pipe and cigarette smoke. The walls had a brown tinge > from the years of smoke. Joe had been cutting hair in this place for years. > I remember watching him early one Friday evening. The customers were very > stylish, I joke, there was only one style after the war and it was 'short > back and sides" in them days. The place was packed etc. Joe did not have > time to stop and have a meal. The lads were waiting to get out and have a > 'pint o beer'. Joe's wife came in with a cup of tea and a plate of Hovis > sandwiches (Yep!! I can remember those small brown butties) I marvelled as > he would swish his tea down, but the strangest sight was to see his hands > thick with a men's hairdressing called 'Brylcream', it was a heavy white > cream. The hair from the customers would be stuck all over his palms like > fur gloves as he grabbed his sandwich and gulped it down with his > tea.............hair an all.. With words like "ba gum lass, that wus grand' > then he would wink and get on burning some chaps head with a very thin long > candle I think they called a taper...................... > > Warm memories > > Mike Morris > Toronto Canada > > > ==== ENG-LAN-MIDDLETON Mailing List ==== > >==== ENG-LAN-MIDDLETON Mailing List ==== > To search the archives of this list go to: > http://searches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl?surname=ENG-LAN-MIDDLETON [email protected] > ==== ENG-LAN-MIDDLETON Mailing List ==== To unsubscribe, you should send the command "unsubscribe" to [email protected] (if in mail mode) or [email protected] (if in digest mode.) To switch from one mode to the other, you should unsubscribe from one and then subscribe to the other. If you want messages to stop, you should simply unsubscribe.

Mike You have not heard from me before, my name is Dave Singleton and i have just read your article memories of wood street. having been a moonraker for the past 50 years you stired up some old memories for myself, i left middleton in 1974 to live on the south coast Bournemouth to be excact. I was born in the prefabs in boarshaw and moved to Top street which was on the boarder of the Langley estate almost opposite the who'd a thow't it pub on wood street, i have some very fond memories of middleton and we do go back quite often as my inlaws still live on green lane boarshaw. Daft Jimmy i do remember him used to do a funny song and dance if you asked him, liked him harmless and funny, how i stumbled on your web site was i was reading an article in the middleton guardian about the coal mines of middleton and it was discontinued so i tried to research myself hence came across this web site with a whole load of ex pats researching their kinfolk. Alas middleton is not what it used to be the planners have gone mad destroying what was the best town to grow up in, Ihave worked in several mills in and around middleton, began my working life as an apprentise engineer in the junction mill left there and went working for a company right in the heart of middleton (texinra) which is now McBrides, then to the cromer cotton mill boarshaw (i think everybody worked there at some time or other) from there it was back to middleton junction swan mill for my last couple of years working in middleton. When i go to stay with my inlaws i always walk the canal from boarshaw to middleton junction it is a fabulous place, i can remember some of the ols cottages on the side of the canal and a pub called i think the duke of lancaster the next pub was the rose of lancaster at mills hill, last year i was walking along the canal and i was met by a sight that i thought i would never see, barges using the canal agian, there is still some work to be done but there may be some life in middleton yet, I could go on for hours here Mike but i am sure you are a busy man so i will say goodbye for now and if i can be of any assistance in the future please fell free to contact me, once again thenk you for kick starting the old memory back into gear. [email protected] ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Morris" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2003 8:22 PM Subject: [ENG-LAN-MIDDLETON-L] Middleton past: Wood street > Memories of Wood street Middleton 1952. > > It was a very steep hill leading to Langley estate, very narrow. Yet > Manchester City Cooperation managed to drive double decker buses up and > down, past each other on both sides of the street in all types of weather. > At one point the sidewalk /pavement was about 18" lower than the road. > Possibly they were trying to change the incline for the buses. The buses had > no passenger doors, just an open platform with a hand pole in the middle so > you could hang on to it for safety. While the Bus was still speeding but > slow enough to beat the traffic lights, the bus conductor would get out of > the way to allow some of the passengers from Langley to hop of the buses, > just as it was rounding the corner from Wood street to enter the Middleton > Garden area close to Tommy's supper bar. Some buses were classed as express > buses which meant they were none stop to Manchester city centre. If you did > not hop off quick enough, it meant you could finish up in Manchester. > > At the top of the old Wood street in a side street by the reservoir was a > gents barber's shop called 'Joes'. Outside was parked Joe's large motor bike > with a side car. The old section of Wood street ended at this area, there > was a row of houses across the top section preventing entrance to Langley > estate. Just behind the houses the new Wood street entered the new Langley > estate. > > The windows in the barber shop would be streaming with condensation, the air > was blue with thick pipe and cigarette smoke. The walls had a brown tinge > from the years of smoke. Joe had been cutting hair in this place for years. > I remember watching him early one Friday evening. The customers were very > stylish, I joke, there was only one style after the war and it was 'short > back and sides" in them days. The place was packed etc. Joe did not have > time to stop and have a meal. The lads were waiting to get out and have a > 'pint o beer'. Joe's wife came in with a cup of tea and a plate of Hovis > sandwiches (Yep!! I can remember those small brown butties) I marvelled as > he would swish his tea down, but the strangest sight was to see his hands > thick with a men's hairdressing called 'Brylcream', it was a heavy white > cream. The hair from the customers would be stuck all over his palms like > fur gloves as he grabbed his sandwich and gulped it down with his > tea.............hair an all.. With words like "ba gum lass, that wus grand' > then he would wink and get on burning some chaps head with a very thin long > candle I think they called a taper...................... > > Warm memories > > Mike Morris > Toronto Canada > > > ==== ENG-LAN-MIDDLETON Mailing List ==== > >==== ENG-LAN-MIDDLETON Mailing List ==== > To search the archives of this list go to: > http://searches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl?surname=ENG-LAN-MIDDLETON [email protected] >

Hi All, A question whilst the list is quiet. ???????????? Has anyone census information for a Hebe Ann OGDEN born at Rhodes Middleton c1862? She had a younger brother George Edward OGDEN who was possibly born at Oldham c1865. George gave his father as George on his marriage certificate. I can not find Hebe on the 1881 census yet in 1882 she married Thomas WHITWORTH,the couple later lived in Heywood with their children. The first census info. I can find is 1901 when the WHITWORTH`s had 6 children, Hebe was buried at Heywood Cemetery in 1923. I have the 1891 and 1901 census information for her brother George Edward who married in Heywood in 1888 and later moved to Canada.and have all the details for both couples after 1901. Just hoping someone has noticed something re this rather unusual name, Hebe Ann, between the years 1862 and 1901. Thanks for listening. Kind regards. Sylvia.

Alf Where & when were your great Uncle & Aunt born ... ? If you can let me know i will have a look on the 81 & 91 for you. In addition i'll add them to my list of lookup's for my next visit to the Local interest in Oldham Incidently my mate lives at 45 Fir lane Cheers Alan Heyside Royton -----Original Message----- From: ALFRED RAMSDEN [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: 17 September 2003 19:14 To: [email protected] Subject: [ENG-LAN-MIDDLETON-L] RAMSDENS AT ROYSTON My last attempt tp post this message brought an automated reply from the Law Society! I will try once more just in case. The 1901 Census shows Leo Ramsden and wife Elizabeth (nee Siddall) living at 35 Fir Lane, Royton. There were two daughters Annie 10 and Mabel 9. Also two sons Alfred 7 and Gilbert 1. Anyone know any descendants or have any other information. I am Alfred Ramsden. Leo was my Gt. Uncle. His brother, Alfred was my Grandfather. ==== ENG-LAN-MIDDLETON Mailing List ==== Make your own home page with IMS Web Dwarf. Free HTML Editor http://www.webdwarf.net

So many new listers, thought I would repost my interests CHESHIRE CAIN - Stockport - 19c, County Mayo, Ireland c1876 CHATTERTION - Stockport - 19c FAULKNER - Stockport c 1801 HAGAN- Stockport - 19C JONES - Stockport - 19C PEERS - Stockport - 19c PRICE - Crewe - 1870 ROBERTS - Stockport - 19c RUSSELL - Stockport - 1842 onwards SHANNON - Stockport - 1873 onwards WARRINGTON - Hale - 19c WILLIAMS - Chester - 19c LANCASHIRE BOWKER - Gorton - 19c BIRCH - 19c DAVIES - Oldham - 19c ESPLEY - Denton - 1880's MOSLEY - Prestwich - 19c PRICE - Chorlton & Ardwick, Manchester- 19c RUSSELL - Bolton - 19c SLATER - Oldham and Manchester - 19c SHROPSHIRE AMOS/AMIES Dawley - 19c BAILEY - Old Park, Dawley - 19c BREES(Z)E - Newport 19c DODD - Ironbridge & Madeley - 19c PICKERING - Wrockwardine Wood - 19C PRICE - Oswestry - c1829 PHILLIPS - Lilleshall - 19c, Edgmond 1802 STAFFORDSHIRE CLEWLEY - Lichfield -19c, Cannock 1822 ESPLEY - Newcastle-u-Lyne -19c FOX - Smallthorne - 19c FAULKNER - Smallthorne - 19c GLOVER - Wolverhampton - 1815 JOHNSON - Golden Hill - 19C PICKERING - Princes End - 1850 NOTTINGHAM PASHLEY - Worksop - early 1800's WALES PRICE Ambrose - Hanmer, Flint - c1826 YORKSHIRE GRUNNILL/GRUNWELL - Wakefield c1853 Regards Pauline New Zealand

My last attempt tp post this message brought an automated reply from the Law Society! I will try once more just in case. The 1901 Census shows Leo Ramsden and wife Elizabeth (nee Siddall) living at 35 Fir Lane, Royton. There were two daughters Annie 10 and Mabel 9. Also two sons Alfred 7 and Gilbert 1. Anyone know any descendants or have any other information. I am Alfred Ramsden. Leo was my Gt. Uncle. His brother, Alfred was my Grandfather.

Hello, Can any one tell me the difference between these two occupations? Is it as simple as the latter being a hand loom and the former a steam powered loom? Thanks. Sarah H.

Hi Fellow Listers Here are our Interests in Middleton FITTON HEAP HEYWOOD BOOTH SINKINSON There are a few more but if any body links with any of the above we would love to hear from you. Regards from downunder Alex and Jan SydneyAus Good one Mike and a Big G'day to Doreen

Sorry folks I got my Alexander's mixed up. It was Alexander SMITH that was married to Alice Ann FOGG but I am still looking for her parents marriage. Joan at Devon

Hi there, before we all return to hibernation I would like to post my interests again. Jane TAYLOR born about 1842 married Ellis MORRIS Her father was William TAYLOR. His father was Samuel MORRIS. Jane and Ellis were married at Stand Church Heywood in 1866. I am looking for the Baptisms of both. Ellis was born around Kirkham Houses Pilkington. James CLOUGH married Elizabeth BRADBURY in Manchester in 1845 they were both 18 so born around 1827. I am looking for their baptisms. Their son John Alexander lived in Middleton on the 1881 census and he married Alice Ann FOGG daughter of John FOGG. I am looking for John FOGG's marriage about 1855. John SMITH father of Alexander SMITH was married to Margaret before 1857. They lived in Middleton. Is there anyone else researching these family's. Regards Joan at Devon

The 1901 Census shows Leo Ramsden & wife Elizabeth (nee Siddall) living at 35 Fir Lane, Royton. There were two daughters Annie 10 and Mabel 9. Also two sons Alfred 7 amd Gilbert 1. Anyone know of any descendants. I am Alfred Ramsden and Leo was my Gt.Uncle and brother to my Grandfather also called Alfred.

HI Doreen Thanks again for all your kindness. Shirley At 11:10 PM 10/09/03 +0100, you wrote: >Hi Shirley, > >Will keep an eye open for Jane Blakey whilst indexing the burials and will >let you know if found. (Have made a note of her details). > >Doreen. > > > >--- >Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). >Version: 6.0.514 / Virus Database: 312 - Release Date: 28/08/2003 > > >==== ENG-LAN-MIDDLETON Mailing List ==== >If you are having trouble unsubscribing please contact the list owner Joan >White [email protected]

Hi again Sarah, Here are all the Hamilton`s I have found in the Unsworth area at the time of the 1861 census. Hope you enjoy sorting them out Kind regards Sylvia. RG9/ 2857/ 27 Unsworth, Pilkington. Parish of Prestwich cum Oldham 1961 census School Fold. Wright HAMILTON / head/ marr/ 51/cotton weaver by power/ Pilkington Jane HAMILTON/wife/marr/51 cotton weaver/ Pilkington Mary Ann HAMILTON/dau/un/ 24 cotton winder/ Pilkington Jane HAMILTON/dau/un/ 19/cotton winder/Pilkington Sarah HAMILTON/dau/un/ 15/ cotton winder/ Pilkington William HAMILTON/son/un/10/scholar/ Pilkington RG9/ 2857/ 28 Unsworth, Pilkington. Parish of Prestwich cum Oldham Lane Ends James HAMILTON/ head/ marr/ 62/ farmer/Pilkington Ann HAMILTON/wife/marr/60/ housewife/ Bury Joshua Fletcher/ servant/ 22/ labourer John Chandler/ servant/19/ carter George Ramsbottom/ servant/ 9/ scholar RG9/ 2857/ 30 Unsworth, Pilkington. Parish of Prestwich cum Oldham Hills Nook Thomas HAMILTON/ head/ widr/ 70/ cotton weaver by hand/ Prestwich Mary HAMILTON/ dau /34/ winder/ Prestwich Lydia HAMILTON/grand daughter/ 8/ scholar/ Prestwich RG9/ 2857/ 55 Unsworth, Pilkington. Parish of Prestwich cum Oldham Prestwich Fold This one is not on your list but I will mention it here. Peter HAMILTON/ head/ marr/60/ cotton weaver/ Manchester wife Ann and 3 daughters. RG9/ 2857/ 15 Unsworth, Pilkington. Parish of Prestwich cum Oldham Unsworth Pole James HAMILTON/head/ widr/ 39/ innkeeper/Prestwich John George/ son/ 2/ Prestwich William HAMILTON/son/7mths?/Prestwich Alfred HAMILTON/ nephew/14/ labourer/ Prestwich Jane Carr/ neice/ 13/ serv/ Prestwich ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2003 3:03 AM Subject: Re: [ENG-LAN-MIDDLETON-L] Hamilton - Emerson > Hi Sylvia! > > You have just solved one of the mysteries that I've been working on for > awhile. Thank you so very much! I FINALLY have a birth year and town of birth for > Robert Hamilton, my g-g-g grandfather and Sarah Emerson. I wish there were > some way I could help you as you have me! > > Sarah Hamilton > US/Mass. > > > > ==== ENG-LAN-MIDDLETON Mailing List ==== > Please ensure the "subject" reflects the contents of your message > http://www.vmims.com/middleton.htm > >

Hi Shirley, Will keep an eye open for Jane Blakey whilst indexing the burials and will let you know if found. (Have made a note of her details). Doreen. --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.514 / Virus Database: 312 - Release Date: 28/08/2003

Hello Fred, Oops - sorry. I forgot to ask the priest about his charges for looking at registers. Will see if I can contact him this wk., and will get back to you. I put "not available" on the site as all the registers for St Peters RC are still with the church, and therefore not generally available at the libraries. Doreen. ----- Original Message ----- > I see on your webpage you list the St. Peters RC records as "N/A". I assume > the priest will still not allow access to the records. --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.514 / Virus Database: 312 - Release Date: 28/08/2003