Hi, Would anyone out there know why my whole family appears to be missing from 1901 Online Census? Surname Overton I expected to find them in Oldham. My Grandfather Thomas was born 17th December 1890 in Canon St Oldham, his Father was Edward and Mother Winifred.As far as I know Winifred and the children never left Oldham.

Eddles is south of Salford Dear all, This is far from Middleton, but we have discovered a relative we didn't know we had (by a first marriage). His name is William Alfred Williams. "1901 census a William Williams, age 22, born in Appleby, living in Eccles Civil Parish, Lancashire. His occupation is shown as "steam crane driver"." I don't even know where Eccles is. Regards, Bill Rhodes ==== ENG-LAN-MIDDLETON Mailing List ==== Check out the Middleton site for up-dates http://www.vmims.com/middleton.htm

Dear all, This is far from Middleton, but we have discovered a relative we didn't know we had (by a first marriage). His name is William Alfred Williams. "1901 census a William Williams, age 22, born in Appleby, living in Eccles Civil Parish, Lancashire. His occupation is shown as "steam crane driver"." I don't even know where Eccles is. Regards, Bill Rhodes

Where in Royley do you mean and which name in aprticular.. I live in Royley Park Christine ----- Original Message ----- From: "Margaret Draper" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2003 8:07 PM Subject: [ENG-LAN-MIDDLETON-L] My interests > Butterworth in Middleton / > Dawson in Middleton / > Holt, St.John, Bury / > Royley, Bury / > > Margaret > > > ==== ENG-LAN-MIDDLETON Mailing List ==== > Check out the Middleton site for up-dates http://www.vmims.com/middleton.htm > >

Sorry that I am a bit late with these but these are my names with reference to Lanc. in general & Middleton in particular. All the men are ASHWORTH, their wives are Sally MARLOR m. 1802, Oldham, Betty BOOTH m. 1777 Middleton by Oldham, Jane (Jenny ?) SHEPHERD m. St. Mary , Bury, 1811, Susan Brearly (Brierly) m. 1739 Rochdale. I am also interested in ORMEROD in and around Holme Chapel, Cliviger area & LORD around there also. Best wishes, Lynne in Oz.

Hi David You are spot on with 254 it is almost opposite Temple Street, I think it will be the original house because there is another row of terraces butted right up to that one and they are slightly higher a sure sight of later build. I did look to see if there were any year plates on them and there wasn't. As to the other one you are exactly right it is the top of Spring Vale. I did not go out of my way at all I live on Boarshaw and come up Spring Vale to get to Elm Street School (Now named Elm Wood because of a certain film) and then to drop her off by going down Temple Street into Norman Street. I just slowed down a bit. As a matter of fact I am quite interested in a few of those buildings down Oldham Road when you look at them you can see that they have had a different purpose in a previous life especially if you look at the size of some of the window lintels, I also have that handy little book about the pubs, I once got in a taxi from Oldham and asked for Middleton and the driver said to me why do you want to go there, there is nothing but pubs? Ivy

Hi Ivy Many thanks for your response and for taking the trouble to look out those addresses. I'm sorry if I've put you to any trouble, I wasn't asking for information but just giving Norman a "taster" to see if his family linked with mine. So unfortunately my e-mail didn't say everything I knew as I wasn't expecting anyone else to respond. The original 249 Oldham Road is certainly no longer there - it was a pub, the Black Horse, at the junction of Spring Vale and Oldham Road, just opposite the Hare and Hounds. It was closed in 1911 by order of the licensing magistrates as surplus to requirements coupled with the fact that it was structurally unsound, so it was probably knocked down years ago. I didn't know what 254 was, but a "2 up, 2 down" terraced house is certainly what I would have expected (that's of course assuming the road hasn't been renumbered in the last hundred years or so - but even if it has, nearly all the houses along there were of that type then). As the Hare and Hounds was no 228, that means 254 must have been about a dozen houses up from there in the direction of Mills Hill - I would guess near enough opposite Temple Street. Am I right? Again, thanks for your response Best wishes David ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ivy Murphy" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, November 03, 2003 7:08 PM Subject: Re: [ENG-LAN-MIDDLETON-L] NAMES RESEARCHING Hi David I live in Middleton and go down Oldham Road to take one of my grandaughters to school. I had a look for you this afternoon and 254 is still there, it is a mid terrace house similar to the ones on Coronation Street, but 249 is no longer there, it is a shame because there are quite a lot of properties around that area that date from the 1800's but not this one I am afraid. Ivy

Hi David I live in Middleton and go down Oldham Road to take one of my grandaughters to school. I had a look for you this afternoon and 254 is still there, it is a mid terrace house similar to the ones on Coronation Street, but 249 is no longer there, it is a shame because there are quite a lot of properties around that area that date from the 1800's but not this one I am afraid. Ivy Middleton Manchester UK ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Wilkinson" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2003 10:18 AM Subject: Re: [ENG-LAN-MIDDLETON-L] NAMES RESEARCHING > Hi Norman > > Sorry to butt in here but I also have a Mary Ann HEYWOOD, born about 1863 in > Middleton, daughter of James HEYWOOD, coal miner and Mary Hannah née > CHEETHAM. James and Mary Hannah were my gg-grandparents. > > Mary Ann was living with her parents on the 1871 and 1881 censuses, in 1871 > at Oldham Road, Tonge and in 1881 at the Black Horse public house, 249 > Oldham Road, Tonge. Mary Ann was a cotton winder in 1881, but is not with > her parents in 1891 or 1901 and I assume she got married. > > The 1881 census records James as an unemployed coal miner but in fact he was > running the pub by that time - he certainly had the licence in 1874. He died > about 1887 as Mary Hannah, his widow, took over the license for the pub > then. Mary Hannah is still at the pub on the 1891 census but by 1901 she is > living at 254 Oldham Road, a little way up the road on the other side. No > occupation is given for her at this time. > > If any of this fits, please get in touch off list. I have lots more > information. > > David in Hertford, England > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Norman Archibald" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2003 1:45 AM > Subject: Re: [ENG-LAN-MIDDLETON-L] NAMES RESEARCHING > > > > Jeff, > > I have a Mary Ann HEYWOOD who married a Richard VERITY in 1883. Mary`s > > parent`s were, father, James HEYWOOD, mother, Mary ? James HEYWOOD was a > > coal miner. > > Any connection with your HEYWOOD line.? > > Norm. > > > > ==== ENG-LAN-MIDDLETON Mailing List ==== > To unsubscribe, > you should send the command "unsubscribe" to [email protected] > (if in mail mode) or [email protected] (if in digest mode.) > To switch from one mode to the other, you should unsubscribe from one > and then subscribe to the other. If you > want messages to stop, you should simply unsubscribe. > >

Hi, Does anyone know any relatives of Doris Devenport.? She was in her 70's I think and she died in the mid 70's She had a daughter called Beryl and lived on the road onto Middleton from Heywood. I think she also lived at Middleton Junction as well. E.mail me off list if you know. Thankyou Sandra --------------------------------- Want to chat instantly with your online friends? Get the FREE Yahoo!Messenger

I recently got the marriage certificate for Thomas Shepherd m to Mary Howarth in 1841. Marys father John Howarth is described as a Banksman. Does anyone know what a banksman is? Kaaren

Banksman worked at the Pit Head in charge of the Cages. Malcolm Firth In Chadderton Research FIRTH, BARKER, FARRAR, LUMB, JAGGER in Calderdale and Oldham HALSALL, PENDLETON, EAUD, and WELSBY Prescot and SW Lancs HARRISON, BARKER, YARDLEY, DUCKWORTH and HOWARD in Oldham BUTTON, RICHMOND and MUDD in Pateley Bridge and Ripon E Mail [email protected] ----- Original Message ----- From: "kaaren2" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, November 03, 2003 1:04 AM Subject: [ENG-LAN-MIDDLETON-L] occupations > I recently got the marriage certificate for Thomas Shepherd m to Mary > Howarth in 1841. > Marys father John Howarth is described as a Banksman. > Does anyone know what a banksman is? > > Kaaren > > > ==== ENG-LAN-MIDDLETON Mailing List ==== > Create your own home page with Web Dwarf, a FREE HTML Editor http://www.vmims.com/dwarf.htm >

Barbara, You need to contact your cousin who published that family on the LDS Pedigree Files CDs. She may have more information since she published. Jane Elizabeth Greaves Compact Disc #41 Pin #687198 Birth: 14 Apr 1847 Place: Lancashire, England Birth: 24 Apr 1847 Place: Lancashire, England Death: 24 Mar 1913 Place: Essex, Ontario Burial: Place: Buried in North Ridge Cemetery just east of Essex Father: John Greaves Disc #41 Pin #687396 Mother: UNKNOWN Jane Disc #41 Pin #687397 Spouse: William D. Bennett Disc #41 Pin #686771 Marriage: 1866 Place: Maidstone cross ontario Canada Submitter: Kathy JOHNSON 5456 Yermo St Toledo, OH 43613 FreeBMD shows her birth registration is available: Births Jun 1847 Greaves Jane Ashton 20 1[79]6 The district of Ashton included Oldham at that time. Unfortunately, the page number appears to be corrupted, so there is not enough to order the certificate from these data. You can pay the GRO-E to have it researched. At 04:00 PM 11/2/03, you wrote: >From: Barbara Garrow <[email protected]> >To: [email protected] >Subject: [ENG-LAN-MIDDLETON-L] Greaves > >Hello >I am looking for a birth or christening record for my ggmo, Jane >Elizabeth Greaves, who I believe was born April 14, 1847, in Oldham. I >think her father was John Greaves, born May 29, 1808. His wife was Jane >Bottomley. They left for the US with some of their 10 children in 1850. >Jane married William Bennett and died on March 24 in Essex, Ontario >Canada. >Does anyone have information about this family? >Barbara

Hello, I have Bertha Royle born 1881 in Salford. Married Louis Kemp 10th June 1908 at the Parish Church of Matthias Manchester. At her birth she lived at 65 Broster Street. Bertha's Parents was James Royle c.1855. and Mary Ann ???? He was an overlooker of Cotton weavers at this time. They had other Children (From 1891 census) Edith Royle 1879 Polly Royle Unknown Mary A Royle 1883 Jane Royle 1884 Leonard Royle 1889 Ellis Royle 1890 That is all I have, Would love to know if this rings any bells. Suzannah ----- Original Message ----- From: "louiseoliver" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, November 02, 2003 10:26 AM Subject: Re: [ENG-LAN-MIDDLETON-L] Surnames I am researching > Dear Susannah > > Who were your ROYLEs, mine were mostly minere from Salford > > Louise > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "suzannah.foad" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2003 5:51 PM > Subject: [ENG-LAN-MIDDLETON-L] Surnames I am researching > > > > TAYLOR > > KEMP > > KNIGHT > > ROYLE > > > > SALFORD< LOWER BROUGHTON< NEWTON HEATH> FAILSWORTH > PRESTWICH, STOCKPORT > > > > > > > > ==== ENG-LAN-MIDDLETON Mailing List ==== > > >==== ENG-LAN-MIDDLETON Mailing List ==== > > To search the archives of this list go to: > > > http://searches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl?surname=ENG-LAN-MIDDLETON > [email protected] > > > > > ==== ENG-LAN-MIDDLETON Mailing List ==== > http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~emmaw/ for free Web Editor software. > Web space. ANY amount. ANY subject. > RootsWeb's Freepages put you in touch with millions. >

Hello Listers, Would anyone on the list know what an "Ironmaster" and an "Iron Planer" did for a living back in the 1800`s. I am totally unfamiliar with these terms or trades, and i was hoping that someone on the list might enlighten me. I apologise if the posting is not strictly genealogy. Regards, Norm. --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.532 / Virus Database: 326 - Release Date: 27/10/03

James Heywood had the licence in 1874. He was listed as an unemployed collier in the 1881 census. His wife Mary was a Silk weaver and they had a 19 year old daughter named Mary who was a cotton winder. Mary H Heywood had the licence from 1887 until at least 1891. My information was taken from a book called 'Middleton Pubs' 1737-1993 and their licensees by Rob Magee. Kind regards Mike Morris Toronto Canada ----- Original Message ----- From: David Wilkinson To: [email protected] Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2003 5:18 AM Subject: Re: [ENG-LAN-MIDDLETON-L] NAMES RESEARCHING Hi Norman Sorry to butt in here but I also have a Mary Ann HEYWOOD, born about 1863 in Middleton, daughter of James HEYWOOD, coal miner and Mary Hannah née CHEETHAM. James and Mary Hannah were my gg-grandparents. Mary Ann was living with her parents on the 1871 and 1881 censuses, in 1871 at Oldham Road, Tonge and in 1881 at the Black Horse public house, 249 Oldham Road, Tonge. Mary Ann was a cotton winder in 1881, but is not with her parents in 1891 or 1901 and I assume she got married. The 1881 census records James as an unemployed coal miner but in fact he was running the pub by that time - he certainly had the licence in 1874. He died about 1887 as Mary Hannah, his widow, took over the license for the pub then. Mary Hannah is still at the pub on the 1891 census but by 1901 she is living at 254 Oldham Road, a little way up the road on the other side. No occupation is given for her at this time. If any of this fits, please get in touch off list. I have lots more information. David in Hertford, England ----- Original Message ----- From: "Norman Archibald" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2003 1:45 AM Subject: Re: [ENG-LAN-MIDDLETON-L] NAMES RESEARCHING > Jeff, > I have a Mary Ann HEYWOOD who married a Richard VERITY in 1883. Mary`s > parent`s were, father, James HEYWOOD, mother, Mary ? James HEYWOOD was a > coal miner. > Any connection with your HEYWOOD line.? > Norm. ==== ENG-LAN-MIDDLETON Mailing List ==== To unsubscribe, you should send the command "unsubscribe" to [email protected] (if in mail mode) or [email protected] (if in digest mode.) To switch from one mode to the other, you should unsubscribe from one and then subscribe to the other. If you want messages to stop, you should simply unsubscribe.

Louise I have recorded a Sarah GREENHALGH b about 1852 at Saxon Nook Farm, she married Henry MOULT aka Harry - b 1849, baptised 21 September 1849 at St Leonards Middleton. They married 1871. Sarah died 19th April 1931 at 10 Woodhills Middleton. Her husband was buried in Market Cemetery in 1906 (Per Obituary Notice in Mid Guardian.) He died 21 January 1906 aged 56 years. The info I have on the LEES family is scant- I have ordered up the St Leonards records to re-check some of my data- so please- this info needs checking. Benjamin LEES b abt. 1845. (Father William LEES) He married Sarah MOULT February 19th 1868 st st Matthew Chadderton, she was the daughter of James MOULT (my direct line) and Agnes nee HILTON. I have two children recorded from this marriage. John LEES b about 1865 Sarah E LEES born abt 1869. I then have a second marriage for Benjamin Abt 1876 (unchecked) to Rachel JOHNSON. There would appear to be two further children Mabel Johnson LEES born 3 July 1877 Butterworth farm Middleton Leo LEES born 1879. Census 1881 shows the second family living at Slattocks Hopwood Lancs. I would appreciate any feedback or connection. Janet Foreman Isle of Wight ----- Original Message ----- From: "louiseoliver" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, November 02, 2003 10:24 AM Subject: Re: [ENG-LAN-MIDDLETON-L] MOULT & HALL > Dear Janet > > Who were your GREENHALGHs and LEESs > > Louise > Lancashire Surnames > SHWICK - Leigh/Atherton /Turton > LONSDALE - Wavertree > EDWARDS - Wavertree > LEES - Pendlebury, Worsley, Swinton, Middleton > HIGNETT - Toxteth, Wavertree > BURGESS - West Derby > GRUNDY - Leigh, Atherton > ROYLE - Pendleton, Worsley, Swinton > TURNER - Toxteth > LEATHER - Toxteth > BRADLEY - Newton > HEATON - Leigh, Atherton > WRIGHT - Levenshulme, Middleton > GREENHALGH - Pendlebury (&???Bolton) > ROGERS - Eccles, Worsley > WALLWORK - Ringley, Leigh, Clifton > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Janet Foreman" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2003 7:04 PM > Subject: [ENG-LAN-MIDDLETON-L] MOULT & HALL > > > > In addition to my two main lines above- Middleton & Tonge, I have > > connections through marriages to the following from the same area: > > TAYLOR > > SHOWLER > > SMITH > > KERSHAW > > GREENHALGH > > SMITHIES > > OGDEN > > CROOKES > > HILTON > > KENT > > FIELDING > > CROSSLEY > > HARDMAN > > GOODMAN > > TANNER > > ASHTON > > LEES > > WOLSTENCROFT > > REED > > MORRIS > > TETLOW > > BRISCAM > > BUCKLEY > > STORER > > BAMFORD > > VERITY > > WILD > > > > Janet Foreman > > Isle of Wight > > > > > > showler > > smith > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "emma" <[email protected]> > > To: <[email protected]> > > Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2003 1:34 PM > > Subject: RE: [ENG-LAN-MIDDLETON-L] > > > > > > > > > > Would everyone like to submit the names they are researching? > > > Joan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== ENG-LAN-MIDDLETON Mailing List ==== > > > Create your own home page with Web Dwarf, a FREE HTML Editor > > http://www.vmims.com/dwarf.htm > > > > > > > > > > > ==== ENG-LAN-MIDDLETON Mailing List ==== > > Make your own home page with IMS > > Web Dwarf. Free HTML Editor http://www.webdwarf.com > > > > > ==== ENG-LAN-MIDDLETON Mailing List ==== > Create your own home page with Web Dwarf, a FREE HTML Editor http://www.vmims.com/dwarf.htm > >

Hi Susan I don't have any Royle's in my tree but out of curiosity I wonder if they are related to a Joe Royle from Salford who played a trumpet in the 1950s? Joan Hello, I have Bertha Royle born 1881 in Salford. Married Louis Kemp 10th June 1908 at the Parish Church of Matthias Manchester. At her birth she lived at 65 Broster Street. Bertha's Parents was James Royle c.1855. and Mary Ann ???? He was an overlooker of Cotton weavers at this time. They had other Children (From 1891 census) Edith Royle 1879 Polly Royle Unknown Mary A Royle 1883 Jane Royle 1884 Leonard Royle 1889 Ellis Royle 1890 That is all I have, Would love to know if this rings any bells. Suzannah ----- Original Message ----- From: "louiseoliver" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, November 02, 2003 10:26 AM Subject: Re: [ENG-LAN-MIDDLETON-L] Surnames I am researching > Dear Susannah > > Who were your ROYLEs, mine were mostly minere from Salford > > Louise > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "suzannah.foad" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2003 5:51 PM > Subject: [ENG-LAN-MIDDLETON-L] Surnames I am researching > > > > TAYLOR > > KEMP > > KNIGHT > > ROYLE > > > > SALFORD< LOWER BROUGHTON< NEWTON HEATH> FAILSWORTH > PRESTWICH, STOCKPORT > > > > > > > > ==== ENG-LAN-MIDDLETON Mailing List ==== > > >==== ENG-LAN-MIDDLETON Mailing List ==== > > To search the archives of this list go to: > > > http://searches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl?surname=ENG-LAN-MIDDLETON > [email protected] > > > > > ==== ENG-LAN-MIDDLETON Mailing List ==== > http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~emmaw/ for free Web Editor software. > Web space. ANY amount. ANY subject. > RootsWeb's Freepages put you in touch with millions. > ==== ENG-LAN-MIDDLETON Mailing List ==== Make your own home page with IMS Web Dwarf. Free HTML Editor http://www.webdwarf.com

-----Original Message----- To: [email protected] <[email protected]> Date: Sunday, November 02, 2003 10:33 AM Subject: Hi Any one have any connections to the HAINES family who lived at 7 Werneth Road Oldham, namely Jacob Hall Haines & 10 children from about 1877 onwards? Or Mary Ann Hall HAINES who married Napoleon EVANS (born c 1840 Oldham died pre 1901) and had a daughter Nellie? Any sightings gratefully received. Regards Pat M

Dear Susannah Who were your ROYLEs, mine were mostly minere from Salford Louise ----- Original Message ----- From: "suzannah.foad" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2003 5:51 PM Subject: [ENG-LAN-MIDDLETON-L] Surnames I am researching > TAYLOR > KEMP > KNIGHT > ROYLE > > SALFORD< LOWER BROUGHTON< NEWTON HEATH> FAILSWORTH > PRESTWICH, STOCKPORT > > > > ==== ENG-LAN-MIDDLETON Mailing List ==== > >==== ENG-LAN-MIDDLETON Mailing List ==== > To search the archives of this list go to: > http://searches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl?surname=ENG-LAN-MIDDLETON [email protected] >

Dear Janet Who were your GREENHALGHs and LEESs Louise Lancashire Surnames SHWICK - Leigh/Atherton /Turton LONSDALE - Wavertree EDWARDS - Wavertree LEES - Pendlebury, Worsley, Swinton, Middleton HIGNETT - Toxteth, Wavertree BURGESS - West Derby GRUNDY - Leigh, Atherton ROYLE - Pendleton, Worsley, Swinton TURNER - Toxteth LEATHER - Toxteth BRADLEY - Newton HEATON - Leigh, Atherton WRIGHT - Levenshulme, Middleton GREENHALGH - Pendlebury (&???Bolton) ROGERS - Eccles, Worsley WALLWORK - Ringley, Leigh, Clifton ----- Original Message ----- From: "Janet Foreman" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2003 7:04 PM Subject: [ENG-LAN-MIDDLETON-L] MOULT & HALL > In addition to my two main lines above- Middleton & Tonge, I have > connections through marriages to the following from the same area: > TAYLOR > SHOWLER > SMITH > KERSHAW > GREENHALGH > SMITHIES > OGDEN > CROOKES > HILTON > KENT > FIELDING > CROSSLEY > HARDMAN > GOODMAN > TANNER > ASHTON > LEES > WOLSTENCROFT > REED > MORRIS > TETLOW > BRISCAM > BUCKLEY > STORER > BAMFORD > VERITY > WILD > > Janet Foreman > Isle of Wight > > > showler > smith > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "emma" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2003 1:34 PM > Subject: RE: [ENG-LAN-MIDDLETON-L] > > > > > > Would everyone like to submit the names they are researching? > > Joan > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== ENG-LAN-MIDDLETON Mailing List ==== > > Create your own home page with Web Dwarf, a FREE HTML Editor > http://www.vmims.com/dwarf.htm > > > > > > ==== ENG-LAN-MIDDLETON Mailing List ==== > Make your own home page with IMS > Web Dwarf. Free HTML Editor http://www.webdwarf.com >