I think these are yours 24thAugust 1834 at St Leonards baptism James son of Benjamin & Ann WOLSTENCROFT of Tonge Weaver ___________________________________________ 10th January 1836 entry 1120 Eliza dau of Benjamin & Ann WOLSTENCROFT of Middleton, Weaver ___________________________________________ April 8th 1836 entry 1237 George, son of John Sophia WOLSTENCROFT of Chadderton, Miller __________________________________________ 9th April 1837 entry 1769 George son of Benjamin & Ann WOLSTENCROFT Tonge, Weaver ___________________________________________ Janet Foreman ----- Original Message ----- From: "Frank" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, November 27, 2003 2:35 PM Subject: Re: [ENG-LAN-MIDDLETON-L] wolstencroft > Janet, thanks for your assistance. Is this something that I could do? If so, > could you please advise me. I am not too familiar with the how' and > wherefores of what I am able to do > Thankyou > Frank > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Janet Foreman" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Thursday, November 27, 2003 12:21 PM > Subject: Re: [ENG-LAN-MIDDLETON-L] wolstencroft > > > > Frank If this is not on theMiddleton Mariage Index- I will check > Prestwich > > today. janet > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Frank" <[email protected]> > > To: <[email protected]> > > Sent: Thursday, November 27, 2003 11:54 AM > > Subject: [ENG-LAN-MIDDLETON-L] wolstencroft > > > > > > > Good-day, Can anyone provide details of a marriage between George > > Wolstencroft and Hanna -----? approx 1805/7 > > > or a George Wolstencroft born in Middleton c 1780/85? > > > Thank you > > > Frank > > > > > > > > > ==== ENG-LAN-MIDDLETON Mailing List ==== > > > Check out the Middleton site for up-dates > > http://www.vmims.com/middleton.htm > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== ENG-LAN-MIDDLETON Mailing List ==== > > Please ensure the "subject" reflects the contents of your message > > http://www.vmims.com/middleton.htm > > > > > > > ==== ENG-LAN-MIDDLETON Mailing List ==== > Please ensure the "subject" reflects the contents of your message > http://www.vmims.com/middleton.htm >

Robert I was going through the St Leonards Baptism today- May 29th 1836 entry 1312 refers film 1545202 LDS catalogue. Edmund son of William & Margaret KENT of Tonge, Weaver. April 18th ? 1834 entry 152-film as above John son of William & Margaret KENT of Tonge, Weaver I did note other KENT children who obviously could be connected somewhere- please let me know if you require them Janet Foreman ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert Berry" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, December 01, 2003 9:37 PM Subject: [ENG-LAN-MIDDLETON-L] Kent Hilton Marriage Middleton > I am trying to trace the marriage details of William Kent to Margaret Hilton > in the Middleton area approx 1825 - 1835. They show on the 1851 Census > Extract living at Oldham Road in Tonge. William aged 45 years, Margaret aged > 45 years - both born Middleton Manchester. Their offspring in 1851 were Mary > (20), David (19), John (17), Edmund (15), William (13), Ann (11), Amos (9) > and Robert (4). > > I am also trying to find the baptism record of Edmund (15). > > I cannot find any trace at St. Leonards, and I know that St. Michael's did > not perform their first baptism until late 1840's. > > I believe that Margaret Hilton may have been a daughter of John Hilton and > Sarah Hilton (nee ?) > > Hopefully, by obtaining marriage details of William and Margaret I can > confirm the Hilton link and would like to be able to determine William's > parentage. > Robert Berry > 25 Woodlands Way > Alkrington > Middleton > Manchester M24 1WL > United Kingdom > > > > > ==== ENG-LAN-MIDDLETON Mailing List ==== > Check out the Middleton site for up-dates http://www.vmims.com/middleton.htm > >

Robert I am researching MOULT- however, through marriage I have an Ann KENT dob calculated to be about 1841 Middleton- she was the daughter of William KENT a Clogger. It looks as though your Ann and mine are one of the same person. She married John William MOULT July 3rd 1859 Prestwich St Mary. They had 8 children Can you confirm the connection?? MLFHS 12038 researching MOULT HALL KERSHAW JOHNSON JACKSON HILTON TITTER ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert Berry" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, December 01, 2003 9:37 PM Subject: [ENG-LAN-MIDDLETON-L] Kent Hilton Marriage Middleton > I am trying to trace the marriage details of William Kent to Margaret Hilton > in the Middleton area approx 1825 - 1835. They show on the 1851 Census > Extract living at Oldham Road in Tonge. William aged 45 years, Margaret aged > 45 years - both born Middleton Manchester. Their offspring in 1851 were Mary > (20), David (19), John (17), Edmund (15), William (13), Ann (11), Amos (9) > and Robert (4). > > I am also trying to find the baptism record of Edmund (15). > > I cannot find any trace at St. Leonards, and I know that St. Michael's did > not perform their first baptism until late 1840's. > > I believe that Margaret Hilton may have been a daughter of John Hilton and > Sarah Hilton (nee ?) > > Hopefully, by obtaining marriage details of William and Margaret I can > confirm the Hilton link and would like to be able to determine William's > parentage. > Robert Berry > 25 Woodlands Way > Alkrington > Middleton > Manchester M24 1WL > United Kingdom > > > > > ==== ENG-LAN-MIDDLETON Mailing List ==== > Check out the Middleton site for up-dates http://www.vmims.com/middleton.htm > >

> I am trying to trace the marriage details of William Kent to Margaret Hilton in the Middleton area approx 1825 - 1835. They show on the 1851 Census Extract living at Oldham Road in Tonge. William aged 45 years, Margaret aged 45 years - both born Middleton Manchester. Their offspring in 1851 were Mary (20), David (19), John (17), Edmund (15), William (13), Ann (11), Amos (9) and Robert (4). Robert I realise it's a generation or more down the line, but a Lizzie KENT, 26, milliner, m Albert LANE, a great-uncle of mine, in 1893 at St John's, Broughton parish, county of Salford. Her father William is described as a baker. In 1901 the family was living in Coldhurst, Oldham, with mother-in-law Harriet WOOD, if I'm reading it right. Albert was a grocery manager. Lizzie was b Northampton, and Harriet in Oldham. Any connection? Clutching at straws here ... Viv [email protected] Rugby, Warks., England Dystonia Society M00226 SDFHS 9551 U Looking for LANE, Holnest 1729+/-, Hermitage 1765+/-, Leigh 1808+, Longfleet 1881+/-, Kinson 1884+, all in Dorset --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.545 / Virus Database: 339 - Release Date: 27/11/2003

Dear Sylvia (& Laura V, other post), Thanks for your responses on MU / MCFC. My grandfather most certainly saw some of the matches of the Bury FC. I saw on a Manchester Online link that Bury FC had some cup, or championship titles in 1900 & 1903. In the 1970's and before he was a Man City fan. Though we are States-side, our family lore is that my grandfather Sydney used to go to Football matches where up to 100,000 were in attendance. Restrooms (W.C.'s) were a real issue between 1900 - 1914 so the women would sew rubber bags into the trousers; Obviously the lads drank some quantities of beer in those days too. It was a chore to make your way through the standing room only crowds. I wonder if that is the origin of the term "getting pissed"? Forever Blue and occassionaly pissed, Bill

Hi Robert, St Michaels Tonge opened in 1839 (baptisms now partially indexed). Did you spot the baps of Amos and Robert there? Before this church opened, the Tonge people used St Leonards or the non-conformist churches for baptisms. The Methodist churches are fully indexed, and none of your family is there. Have you tried around the Chadderton/Oldham area? Doreen. ----- Original Message ----- > I am also trying to find the baptism record of Edmund (15). > > I cannot find any trace at St. Leonards, and I know that St. Michael's did > not perform their first baptism until late 1840's. --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.545 / Virus Database: 339 - Release Date: 27/11/2003

Hi Bill, I'm in Whitefield, Lancs (between Prestwich and Bury) and there's certainly no waining of football interest here. Our household will be crazy next saturday because I'm a red, so is my son, but the "other half" is a blue. After last season I'm dreading it, if United dont win next Saturday I'll be having a heck of a night out as it's his family do and all his lot are blues. Laura V. ----------------------------------------- Email provided by http://www.ntlhome.com/

Hi Bill a rather hot subject in Lancashire, like politics and religion. You are quite right, Heywoodites are split between soccer teams Man U and Man City. Pre TV viewing though many supported Bury as it was nearer on a wet and windy Saturday afternoon. Your/our Rhodes gang would probably have been more likely to have attended Bury FC. The local rugby supporters used to follow Rochdale Hornets but again they now go for the big clubs such as St Helens, Wigan and Bradford. The motorway network is so close it is very easy to get to most of the top sporting events. Heywood still has several amateur soccer teams but I think the local rugby team has finishes this season due to lack of support. The cricket club has a good record and goes back a long way, and the ladies Hockey team have achieved some good results over the years. Crown Green Bowling is still a hands on sport in this part of Lancashire, for both men and women of rather more mature years. The local paper has always covered amateur sport. If anyone has sportsman/women in their families there could be a write up lingering there. Hope this helps. Sylvia ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Rhodes" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, December 01, 2003 10:35 PM Subject: [ENG-LAN-MIDDLETON-L] FOOTBALL QUESTION > Dear all Lancs & Mancs, > > FOOTBALL QUESTION > > Most of my family are from Heywood. When I asked my father what Premier > League team my grandfather would have been for, he said "Manchester City". > What I'm wondering is what the football culture is like today in Heywood and > Middleton? Are they split between M.U. and City? Since Heywood is now a > part of the Rochdale municipality, would they "monkey towners" be more > interested in Rochdale (2nd League) matches? Do some favor Bolton? > > Has football fanatacism waned in Lancashire? > > Thanks.... > > Regards, > Bill Rhodes > > -----Original Message----- > From: Robert Berry [mailto:[email protected]] > Sent: Monday, December 01, 2003 1:38 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: [ENG-LAN-MIDDLETON-L] Kent Hilton Marriage Middleton > > > I am trying to trace the marriage details of William Kent to Margaret Hilton > in the Middleton area approx 1825 - 1835. They show on the 1851 Census > Extract living at Oldham Road in Tonge. William aged 45 years, Margaret aged > 45 years - both born Middleton Manchester. Their offspring in 1851 were Mary > (20), David (19), John (17), Edmund (15), William (13), Ann (11), Amos (9) > and Robert (4). > > I am also trying to find the baptism record of Edmund (15). > > I cannot find any trace at St. Leonards, and I know that St. Michael's did > not perform their first baptism until late 1840's. > > I believe that Margaret Hilton may have been a daughter of John Hilton and > Sarah Hilton (nee ?) > > Hopefully, by obtaining marriage details of William and Margaret I can > confirm the Hilton link and would like to be able to determine William's > parentage. > Robert Berry > 25 Woodlands Way > Alkrington > Middleton > Manchester M24 1WL > United Kingdom > > > > > ==== ENG-LAN-MIDDLETON Mailing List ==== > Check out the Middleton site for up-dates http://www.vmims.com/middleton.htm > > > ==== ENG-LAN-MIDDLETON Mailing List ==== > http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~emmaw/ for free Web Editor software. > Web space. ANY amount. ANY subject. > RootsWeb's Freepages put you in touch with millions. > >

I am trying to trace the marriage details of William Kent to Margaret Hilton in the Middleton area approx 1825 - 1835. They show on the 1851 Census Extract living at Oldham Road in Tonge. William aged 45 years, Margaret aged 45 years - both born Middleton Manchester. Their offspring in 1851 were Mary (20), David (19), John (17), Edmund (15), William (13), Ann (11), Amos (9) and Robert (4). I am also trying to find the baptism record of Edmund (15). I cannot find any trace at St. Leonards, and I know that St. Michael's did not perform their first baptism until late 1840's. I believe that Margaret Hilton may have been a daughter of John Hilton and Sarah Hilton (nee ?) Hopefully, by obtaining marriage details of William and Margaret I can confirm the Hilton link and would like to be able to determine William's parentage. Robert Berry 25 Woodlands Way Alkrington Middleton Manchester M24 1WL United Kingdom

There is a marriage at St Mary Prestwich. The details are as follows William KENT of TONG to Margaret HILTON of TONG 4-Jan-25 Paula Mathhews

Dear all Lancs & Mancs, FOOTBALL QUESTION Most of my family are from Heywood. When I asked my father what Premier League team my grandfather would have been for, he said "Manchester City". What I'm wondering is what the football culture is like today in Heywood and Middleton? Are they split between M.U. and City? Since Heywood is now a part of the Rochdale municipality, would they "monkey towners" be more interested in Rochdale (2nd League) matches? Do some favor Bolton? Has football fanatacism waned in Lancashire? Thanks.... Regards, Bill Rhodes -----Original Message----- From: Robert Berry [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Monday, December 01, 2003 1:38 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [ENG-LAN-MIDDLETON-L] Kent Hilton Marriage Middleton I am trying to trace the marriage details of William Kent to Margaret Hilton in the Middleton area approx 1825 - 1835. They show on the 1851 Census Extract living at Oldham Road in Tonge. William aged 45 years, Margaret aged 45 years - both born Middleton Manchester. Their offspring in 1851 were Mary (20), David (19), John (17), Edmund (15), William (13), Ann (11), Amos (9) and Robert (4). I am also trying to find the baptism record of Edmund (15). I cannot find any trace at St. Leonards, and I know that St. Michael's did not perform their first baptism until late 1840's. I believe that Margaret Hilton may have been a daughter of John Hilton and Sarah Hilton (nee ?) Hopefully, by obtaining marriage details of William and Margaret I can confirm the Hilton link and would like to be able to determine William's parentage. Robert Berry 25 Woodlands Way Alkrington Middleton Manchester M24 1WL United Kingdom ==== ENG-LAN-MIDDLETON Mailing List ==== Check out the Middleton site for up-dates http://www.vmims.com/middleton.htm

> I check out Prestwich 1805/07 Marriages and found only the following which > seemingly are not yours > > 15 Jan 1805 > George WOLSTENCROFT and Ann BUCKLEY of Oldham I hope you don't mind me butting in, but, Janet, this looks like Frank's marriage. Hanna(h), Anna and Ann(e) were interchangeable names. Viv [email protected] Rugby, Warks., England Dystonia Society M00226 SDFHS 9551 U Looking for LANE, Holnest 1729+/-, Hermitage 1765+/-, Leigh 1808+, Longfleet 1881+/-, Kinson 1884+, all in Dorset Albert E LANE, aged 4 in 1901, b in Wiltshire, living with family at 72 Trinity Street, Oldham. What became of him? --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.543 / Virus Database: 337 - Release Date: 21/11/2003

Thank you very much for trying Frank ----- Original Message ----- From: "Janet Foreman" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, November 30, 2003 12:15 AM Subject: Re: [ENG-LAN-MIDDLETON-L] wolstencroft > Frank > I check out Prestwich 1805/07 Marriages and found only the following which > seemingly are not yours > > 15 Jan 1805 > George WOLSTENCROFT and Ann BUCKLEY of Oldham > > 29 Sept 1806 > > Job WOLSTENCROFT & Jenny SCHOLFIELD of Oldham > > I note the forename Job!!! > > > However in the Baptisms for St Leonards I note > > 6 Sept 1843 entry 1558 > Catherine Elizabeth > daughter of Joseph & Elizabeth WOLSTENCROFT > Corn Dealer, Middleton > > > Dec 31 1843 entry 1640 > Edward son > John Sophia WOLSTENCROFT of Middleton, Miller > > Oldham St Mary would be another church to checkout for the marriage. I have > ordered Ainsworth records for myself and will check out this marriage then. > > Janet Foreman > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Frank" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Thursday, November 27, 2003 11:54 AM > Subject: [ENG-LAN-MIDDLETON-L] wolstencroft > > > > Good-day, Can anyone provide details of a marriage between George > Wolstencroft and Hanna -----? approx 1805/7 > > or a George Wolstencroft born in Middleton c 1780/85? > > Thank you > > Frank > > > > > > ==== ENG-LAN-MIDDLETON Mailing List ==== > > Check out the Middleton site for up-dates > http://www.vmims.com/middleton.htm > > > > > > > > ==== ENG-LAN-MIDDLETON Mailing List ==== > Make your own home page with IMS > Web Dwarf. Free HTML Editor http://www.webdwarf.com > >

Frank I check out Prestwich 1805/07 Marriages and found only the following which seemingly are not yours 15 Jan 1805 George WOLSTENCROFT and Ann BUCKLEY of Oldham 29 Sept 1806 Job WOLSTENCROFT & Jenny SCHOLFIELD of Oldham I note the forename Job!!! However in the Baptisms for St Leonards I note 6 Sept 1843 entry 1558 Catherine Elizabeth daughter of Joseph & Elizabeth WOLSTENCROFT Corn Dealer, Middleton Dec 31 1843 entry 1640 Edward son John Sophia WOLSTENCROFT of Middleton, Miller Oldham St Mary would be another church to checkout for the marriage. I have ordered Ainsworth records for myself and will check out this marriage then. Janet Foreman ----- Original Message ----- From: "Frank" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, November 27, 2003 11:54 AM Subject: [ENG-LAN-MIDDLETON-L] wolstencroft > Good-day, Can anyone provide details of a marriage between George Wolstencroft and Hanna -----? approx 1805/7 > or a George Wolstencroft born in Middleton c 1780/85? > Thank you > Frank > > > ==== ENG-LAN-MIDDLETON Mailing List ==== > Check out the Middleton site for up-dates http://www.vmims.com/middleton.htm > >

Hi Ruth, Howard is on the lookout to swap info on VIZARDS for his database so I would think he will not mind hearing from you. You may want to get in touch via a link on his webpage which is www.vizard.org.uk Alternatively, email: [email protected] Good luck, Laura V. ----------------------------------------- Email provided by http://www.ntlhome.com/

Thanks for the info; can you tell me how to contact Howard Vizard? I don't have a Samuel born in Weymouth in 1881, but it may be a child born to one of the siblings of my gt gt grandmother. No James I'm afraid. Thanks Ruth > from: [email protected] > date: Fri, 28 Nov 2003 12:10:37 > to: [email protected] > subject: Re: [ENG-LAN-MIDDLETON-L] Vizard Weymouth > > Hi Ruth, > Am I related to the Vizards of Weymouth, Dorset ? Very good question ! All my Vizards came originally from Alveston/Thornbury in Gloucestershire. However, there is a link that I've investigated but just can't explain. The 1881 census has my Vizards from Gloucestershire living in North Meols, Lancashire (they moved about a bit on their way here) but with them is a James Vizard born Upwey, Dorset aged 45 born 1836 unmarried & a Blacksmith. My Vizard head of household was also a blacksmith. I can find no records of James' birth and no obviuos connection like uncle ( I have most of the siblings of my Vizards Father I think), I have contacted a fellow who had Vizards (Samuel Vizard) Weymouth, Dorset in 1881 and he has no idea who James is, neither does Howard Vizard who has a database on Vizards. I would be very interested to hear of any other connections to Vizards in this area. I believe James may have stayed in the North Meols area after 1881, but not proven. Laura V. > > ----------------------------------------- > Email provided by http://www.ntlhome.com/ > > > > ==== ENG-LAN-MIDDLETON Mailing List ==== > If you are having trouble unsubscribing please contact the list owner Joan White [email protected] >

Thank you Laura Janet ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, November 28, 2003 11:58 AM Subject: [ENG-LAN-MIDDLETON-L] Re: to Janet CD > Hi Janet, > The CD I have is from ancestry.com. English parish records for Salford and West Derby Hundreds, Cheshire anf Flintshire and also contains wills. It cost £30. However, it is rather incomplete. For Middleton it contains the records of the parish church 1541-1752. I would recommend it but have found the records are rather too early for what I need at the moment, which was dissapointing as when advertised I took it literally when it said parish reords 1500's to 1837. PS it is in their genealogy shop and made/distributed by TWR computing. Laura V > > ----------------------------------------- > Email provided by http://www.ntlhome.com/ > > > > ==== ENG-LAN-MIDDLETON Mailing List ==== > Please ensure the "subject" reflects the contents of your message > http://www.vmims.com/middleton.htm > >

Hi Ruth, Am I related to the Vizards of Weymouth, Dorset ? Very good question ! All my Vizards came originally from Alveston/Thornbury in Gloucestershire. However, there is a link that I've investigated but just can't explain. The 1881 census has my Vizards from Gloucestershire living in North Meols, Lancashire (they moved about a bit on their way here) but with them is a James Vizard born Upwey, Dorset aged 45 born 1836 unmarried & a Blacksmith. My Vizard head of household was also a blacksmith. I can find no records of James' birth and no obviuos connection like uncle ( I have most of the siblings of my Vizards Father I think), I have contacted a fellow who had Vizards (Samuel Vizard) Weymouth, Dorset in 1881 and he has no idea who James is, neither does Howard Vizard who has a database on Vizards. I would be very interested to hear of any other connections to Vizards in this area. I believe James may have stayed in the North Meols area after 1881, but not proven. Laura V. ----------------------------------------- Email provided by http://www.ntlhome.com/

Hi Janet, The CD I have is from ancestry.com. English parish records for Salford and West Derby Hundreds, Cheshire anf Flintshire and also contains wills. It cost £30. However, it is rather incomplete. For Middleton it contains the records of the parish church 1541-1752. I would recommend it but have found the records are rather too early for what I need at the moment, which was dissapointing as when advertised I took it literally when it said parish reords 1500's to 1837. PS it is in their genealogy shop and made/distributed by TWR computing. Laura V ----------------------------------------- Email provided by http://www.ntlhome.com/

Laura CD? is this another gem? Where did you purchase this? Many thanks Janet ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, November 27, 2003 8:52 PM Subject: [ENG-LAN-MIDDLETON-L] Moult ,Janet > Hi Janet, > Pleasure. No I'm not researching Moults, I just have a few records on cd. Laura V. > > ----------------------------------------- > Email provided by http://www.ntlhome.com/ > > > > ==== ENG-LAN-MIDDLETON Mailing List ==== > If you are having trouble unsubscribing please contact the list owner Joan White [email protected] >