Hi Laura, Thanks for your note. My Sarah Hamilton nee Emerson came from Unsworth, and I believe she was married to Robert Hamilton and living in Chadderton in 1851 and shortly after moved to Radcliffe, where my g-g grandfather was born. So I guess your connection is possible, provided that Unsworth and Chadderton were'nt too far away? Sarah Hamilton

Hi Sarah, Just had a look through my Emerson file. The Sarah you are looking for could be the daughter of Joseph Emerson bapt 7 Oct 1805 Union St Wesleyan Church Bury and Elizabeth (Betty) Schofield (Scholfield) marr. 3 Mar 1829 St Mary`s Prestwich. The family lived at Grundy Fold. Sarah is living at 150 Cross Lane Radcliffe next door to her sister Mary who`s husband James Howarth is a beer seller at the Farmers Arms in 1881. Hope this helps. Sylvia. ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2003 2:35 AM Subject: Re: [ENG-LAN-MIDDLETON-L] HILTON of Middleton > Hi Sylvia, > > I see you're still looking for the Emersons. I don't know if you remember me > but I have a Joseph Emerson b. 1805 Unsworth, living in 1881 in Radcliffe > with daughter Sarah Emerson Hamilton, with a probable connection to Joseph and > Sarah Emerson in Bury (think he's the son and she's a daughter-in-law). Thought > I'd drop in and say hi to you and other Middleton listers who've been > helpful. Happy holidays to all, and remember me if you find Hamiltons, Emersons, and Howarths! > > Sarah Hamilton > US/Mass.

Hi again Sarah, Thank you for the message. I do have a Joseph EMERSON b1803 but unfortunately not the one you are looking for. There is a Joseph Emerson parish of Prestwich who married Betty Kenyon parish of Middleton 13 Nov 1781 at St Leonards. I have only found one child baptised to this couple she is Ann, May 1782 at St Leonard`s Middleton dau of Joseph Emerson, a weaver & wife Betty of Middleton. Below are my set probably linking to yours another generation or so back from here. All for now Sylvia Descendants of Robert Emerson and Hannah nee Hilton my ggg grandparents. 1 Robert Emerson from Prestwich parish, probably born abt. 1770 - ???? . +Hannah Hilton from Middleton parish born c1774 - 1829 m: 22 August 1791 at St Mary`s Prestwich buried. 23 October 1829 Midd. ................2 Betty Emerson 1791 - 1861 bapt. 30 October 1791 ................2 Francis Emerson 1793 - 1869 bapt 28 July 1793 ...................+Ann Partington m: 3 Mar 1815 at St Leonards Midd. ................2 John Emerson 1795 - bapt. 15 May 1795 ................2 Ann Emerson 1797 - bapt 3 September 1797 ..................+Noah Partington m: 28 Oct 1818 at St Mary`s Oldham ................2 James Emerson 1799 - 1872 bapt 5 May 1799 .....................+Ellen Emerson nee? ................2 Dolly Emerson 1801 - b: bapt 8 March 1801 born at Langley Lane ................2 Joseph Emerson 1803 - 1870 bapt 9 January 1803 Midd. .....................+Susan Saxon 1802 - 1849 b: Abt. 1802 m: 7 Dec 1825 at St Leonards Middleton ................2 Mary Emerson 1804 - bapt 25 November 1804 ................2 Robert Emerson 1806 - 1889 bapt. 7 November 1806 Midd. d: 7 September 1889 at Heywood, Lancs. my gg grandfather .....................+Mary Barber 1809 - 1887 bapt 1809 at Middleton, m: 2 April 1832 at St Mary`s Bury d: 19 May 1887 at Heywood . ................2 Dicky Emerson baptised. 7 January 1810 at Hopwood died Abt. June 1810 buried St Leonard`s Midd. ................2 Sally Emerson 1811 - bapt 25 August 1811 ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2003 2:35 AM Subject: Re: [ENG-LAN-MIDDLETON-L] HILTON of Middleton > Hi Sylvia, > > I see you're still looking for the Emersons. I don't know if you remember me > but I have a Joseph Emerson b. 1805 Unsworth, living in 1881 in Radcliffe > with daughter Sarah Emerson Hamilton, with a probable connection to Joseph and > Sarah Emerson in Bury (think he's the son and she's a daughter-in-law). Thought > I'd drop in and say hi to you and other Middleton listers who've been > helpful. Happy holidays to all, and remember me if you find Hamiltons, Emersons, and > Howarths! > > Sarah Hamilton > US/Mass. > > > ==== ENG-LAN-MIDDLETON Mailing List ==== > >==== ENG-LAN-MIDDLETON Mailing List ==== > To search the archives of this list go to: > http://searches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl?surname=ENG-LAN-MIDDLETON [email protected] > >

Would sks please be able to help me with a burial of Sarah BINNS who died on the 17th Nov 1857 in Oldham and maybe buried at St Mary"s Todmorden Parish Churchyard. If not there any other churchyard in Todmorden. Ellizabeth

Hi Sarah, I noticed your post about Joseph Emerson and Sarah Hamilton. I have a marriage certificate for Edmund Warburton and Alice Greenway 1853 at Prestwich parish church. They were both from Unsworth and the marriage witnesses were Richard Hilton and Sarah Hamilton - could she have any connections to your Hamiltons ? Laura V. ----------------------------------------- Email provided by http://www.ntlhome.com/

Hi Allan, thanks for that fascinating piece of history, i will be including it in my records re my VERITY family. As i undesrstand it, because of the Catholic French purging of the Protestant`s in that period, France almost became bankrupt. I read somewhere that on one occasion the French killed 15000 French Protestants in one day, and when the Pope in Rome heard of it, he clapped with joy. What a sad and sick lot they must have been, and all in the name of religion. Talking Huguenot`s and their beginnings, would you have Betty HODGES e-mail address. I would dearly like to know where my VERITY`s came from in France and Betty with her Knowledge of the origins of the MELLALIEU line might be able to put me on the right track. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Allan Scotson" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2003 8:50 AM Subject: [ENG-LAN-MIDDLETON-L] Mellalieu of Middleton? --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.552 / Virus Database: 344 - Release Date: 15/12/03

Robert, The church would be St Leonards Middleton. The non-conformist church for that period has been indexed and Margaret Hilton is not on there. Doreen. --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.545 / Virus Database: 339 - Release Date: 27/11/2003

Hi Alan, I think that it is fair to say that the house that belonged to your family is no longer there. Whilst there are a lot of very old buildings I doubt them being quite that age, although I do know most of the people that own the property at that end of Townley Street and I will go and see if any of them actually know the answers. They are certainly not dwellings now they are all shops even our Mill was a shop when we bought it, but I do know that some of the properties before ours were single units at some stages and then knocked together at other times. The reason I remember it so well was because at one time I had to send an Invoice to the first shop on the street but the door is positioned right on the corner of the building and the shop then continues down Lodge Street, so I walked down to the door to see what the number was only to find that it did not have a number on the door at all, so I looked at the next door (a Newsagents) and that was number 3, the next shop was number 5 (a Motorparts shop) next was ours number 9. So I asked the Post Office what had happened to number 7, and was told that the Motorparts shop had at one time been two properties and was actually both 5 & 7. The strange thing is that we sold our Mill to the Motorpart shop and then their old landlord has now split the propertie back into two again and now the numbers are correct. However whilst I am certain that your family would not have lived in the Mill mainly because it is a typical Mill structure square with three floors and hoists and things that were used in material manufacturing, where we had the staff rest room actually looked out over the backs of the other shops and they have many signs of very old property. I will do my best to find out a bit more for you but what I think is. At the back of the Mill there are what used to be weaving sheds and at some point these weaving sheds were sold seperately from the main Mill, I can remember that on our deeds there was a red line showing that the land between our door and the shops I have described above had been sold as the access to the rear property ie. the old weaving sheds. Another thing that makes me wonder is the original door to our property was at the side of the building and not on Townley Street at all. I will see if I can get a copy of the old photograph so that I can send it to you, the gentleman that has it is a very well known local historian so it is also possible that he will have the answers. I will be back when I have more information. Ivy Middleton Manchester

----- Original Message ----- From: "Norman Archibald" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, December 15, 2003 3:11 AM Subject: Re: [ENG-LAN-MIDDLETON-L] Mellalieu of Middleton? > Hi Allan, > I also have both MELLALIEU and COLLINGE on my family tree among my other > Middleton connections. > My direct line is VERITY. A jane MELLALIEU born circa 1888 Worsley, > Lancashire married James VERITY, my great great grandfathers brother. James, > son of the above James, married a Jane COLLINGE in 1868. And an Ellen > COLLINGE married, 1895, John James VERITY, son of James. > My VERITY`s were Huguenot-in origin and i would be interested in contacting > Laura re the Middleton Huguenot research-if that were-possible, hence my > e-mail to you. > Allan, would you have Laura`s e-mail address.?? > My VERITY line in Middleton, were very much into silk weaving, especially > the women among them, which might reinforce the Huguenot connection. > Norm. > Original Message ----- > From: "Allan Scotson" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Monday, December 15, 2003 7:05 AM > Subject: [ENG-LAN-MIDDLETON-L] Mellalieu of Middleton? > > > > Hi Laura, > > Thanks for the useful information which I have saved. > > > > I have a Betty MELLALIEU, born about 1780 who married John COLLINGE in St > Leanard's Church, Middleton > > on 6 October1806, and I wish to trace her exact date of birth, and parents > if possible. > > > > Greetings from the snow > > Allan > > Finland > > > > > > > Hi Allan, > > > > > > Some details for you: > > > will George MELLALIEU Hopwood, Middleton 13 nov 1720 > > > admon Ann " spinster, Middleton oct 1834 > > > admon George " Manchester, umbrella manuf' may 1837 (1st grant > 1830). > > > > > > Middlton parish: > > > christenings: > > > Thomas s George Mellalieu Hopwood 13 nov 1720 > > > Mary d George " milner & Phoebe, Hopwood, 12 nov 1730. > > > John s Roger " milner & Ann of Middleton 23 may 1733. > > > George s Thomas " miller & Martha of Hopwood 8 jun 1744. > > > Ann d John " cooper & Hannah of Middleton 24 apr 1748. > > > > > > Marriages: > > > George MELLALIEU (milner)& Phoebe Taylor 5 jan 1730 > > > William " (yeoman)& Martha Hopwood of Bury 15 jul 1733. > > > Laura V. > > > > > > > > ==== ENG-LAN-MIDDLETON Mailing List ==== > > Create your own home page with Web Dwarf, a FREE HTML Editor > http://www.vmims.com/dwarf.htm > > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.551 / Virus Database: 343 - Release Date: 11/12/03 > > > ==== ENG-LAN-MIDDLETON Mailing List ==== > Check out the Middleton site for up-dates http://www.vmims.com/middleton.htm >

Hi Norman, Thanks very much for the interesting email, I'm only sorry that none of your names tie in with mine. You might be interested in the following information about the MELLALIEU family I received from Betsy Hodges in Virvinia: The original Mallalieu (and it's various spellings) came from a little village in France at the bottom of the Alps - name was Thomas Marralew - He was my 10th great grandfather - born around 1550's - anyway, the King of France in the late 1500's declared that everyone would be Catholic. The Mallalieus and all the other French Huguenots refused so the King declared that those who refused to follow the Catholic Church would be killed. The event is called the Massacre of St. Bartholomew's. (I believe it occurred in 1587). Elizabeth the 1st was sitting on the throne of England and was extremely Protestant, especially after the ruling of her half sister "Bloody" Mary who was Catholic, and granted all French Huguenots religious freedom. The Huguenots escaped out of France and the Mallalieus ended up disembarking in Kent. They were noted to be very good woolen clothiers and sent to live in the Manchester area. The King of France realized, after the fact, that he had made a TREMENDOUS mistake with the massacre of the Huguenots because with this huge amount of people either being killed or moving to England, there went a lot of his tax dollars and labor force. He later issued the Edict of Nantes declaring religious freedom but by that time it was too late to get the people to return. Warmest wishes Allan > Hi Allan, > I also have both MELLALIEU and COLLINGE on my family tree among my other > Middleton connections. > My direct line is VERITY. A jane MELLALIEU born circa 1888 Worsley, > Lancashire married James VERITY, my great great grandfathers brother. James, > son of the above James, married a Jane COLLINGE in 1868. And an Ellen > COLLINGE married, 1895, John James VERITY, son of James. > My VERITY`s were Huguenot-in origin and i would be interested in contacting > Laura re the Middleton Huguenot research-if that were-possible, hence my > e-mail to you. > Allan, would you have Laura`s e-mail address.?? > My VERITY line in Middleton, were very much into silk weaving, especially > the women among them, which might reinforce the Huguenot connection. > Norm.

Barry, My Hiltons are as follows: Margaret Hilton married William Kent on 4th January 1825 at St. Mary's Parish Church, Prestwich, Lancashire Both Margaret and William were living in Tonge at the time of marriage. I also have an entry for the christening of Margaret Hilton at Middleton on 6th April 1806. No indication of which church. This is on the Mormon Church web site. Parents were John Hilton and Sarah Hilton. The date appears right for Margaret. But I haven't yet had the chance to confirm whether this is the correct parentage for my Margaret. Anyone got any info??? Robert Berry -----Original Message----- From: Barry Chapman [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: 14 December 2003 21:09 To: [email protected] Subject: [ENG-LAN-MIDDLETON-L] HILTON of Oldham/Middleton G'day all, Noticed Allan's posting re HILTON but not those of "Robert & Jeff". I have Anne Hilton born about 1820 who married William HOLMES, with daughter Elizabeth, born 6 May 1844, Marshes Buildings, Side o' Moor, Oldham. Elizabeth married John Newton GARSIDE on 8 Jul 1865 at Ashton under Lyne. Any apparent or possible connections? Barry Chapman, in sunny Tasmania, home of Ricky Ponting and the future Crown Princess of Denmark, Mary Donaldson. ==== ENG-LAN-MIDDLETON Mailing List ==== Make your own home page with IMS Web Dwarf. Free HTML Editor http://www.webdwarf.com

Hi Sylvia, I see you're still looking for the Emersons. I don't know if you remember me but I have a Joseph Emerson b. 1805 Unsworth, living in 1881 in Radcliffe with daughter Sarah Emerson Hamilton, with a probable connection to Joseph and Sarah Emerson in Bury (think he's the son and she's a daughter-in-law). Thought I'd drop in and say hi to you and other Middleton listers who've been helpful. Happy holidays to all, and remember me if you find Hamiltons, Emersons, and Howarths! Sarah Hamilton US/Mass.

Hi Doreen, Thankyou, I thought there was something funny about it ! Somebody with a sense of humour - not the invidulator I would think. Laura V. ----------------------------------------- Email provided by http://www.ntlhome.com/

This is a fictitious entry that somehow got included. If you scroll down the "neighbours" on the London 1881 Cd, you will notice that number 16 was the only entry for "Acacia Gardens". Some of the birth places given didn`t even exist at the supposed times. This has been written about in the FH mags in the past. Perhaps someone (with a better memory than me!) can recall the details of how it came to be entered. Doreen. --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.545 / Virus Database: 339 - Release Date: 27/11/2003

Hi All, Just been on genesconnected. Please just for a laugh go and check the 1881 census for Robert Goodman born 1829 Kent, he's at 16 Acacia Gardens, London. Also here are the 10 family rules from Janet Stevens: 1. Go forth and multiply. 2.Pack up and move to a different location many times. 3.Use names other than those given to you. 4.Refuse to talk about your family or ancestors. 5.Make up interesting stories that cannot be verified. 6.Make spelling changes to your name regularly (and anything else important, or otherwise). 7.Have many different birth dates. 8.Do not record any knid of family information. 9.Claim to have come from a different country (preferably one that doesn't keep records). 10. Do not save any family correspondance. Laura V. ----------------------------------------- Email provided by http://www.ntlhome.com/

Hi Ivy, Just to confirm that the birth certificate of my grandfather Wilfred Collinge and the 1881 census where his family John & Sarah Ann Collinge + Harry & Wilfred state 9 Townley Street. I would be interested if the building is still standing. Allan in the snow Finland ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ivy Murphy" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2003 12:10 AM Subject: Re: [ENG-LAN-MIDDLETON-L] Huguenot research > Hi Doreen, > > I am a little confused by an email that Alan sent to the list, he says that > one of his relatives lived at 9 Townley Street Tongue Middleton in 1880. > The reason for my confusion is that I used to own the mill that was the > Stationery Shop on Townley Street and we used the number 9 as our address. > Jeff Wellens once gave me a copy of an old photograph and the mill was on > that, but I can't remember the date of it, I am fairly certain that there > was gas lighting on the street, I was just wondering if you had come across > this picture or if you knew just how old that mill was, I know I should know > but I had thought that it was pre 1900. I know there is quite a few numbers > missing down Townley Street and also in the 20 years between 1880 and 1900 > the property could have been knocked down especially to build both our mill > and Taycal mill. It is not desperately important it is just one of those > things that starts to niggle in your brain. > > Ivy > > Middleton Manchester > > > > ==== ENG-LAN-MIDDLETON Mailing List ==== > If you are having trouble unsubscribing please contact the list owner Joan White [email protected] >

I think they must have re-numbered the properties on Townley Street, as the Brookside Mill was definitely there from 1860. They shouldn`t do that - it confuses everyone!! Allans ancestors are shown at number 9 on the 1881 census, so perhaps he can shed more light on it for you. Doreen. --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.545 / Virus Database: 339 - Release Date: 28/11/2003

Hi Doreen Yes I think you must be right, it just seemed strange to me when I saw that address on Alan's email, I don't think that has ever happened to me before you often see addresses that are in a street that you know and I have often gone and looked up a house for someone, but to see one that I recognised and new to be such a big building was strange. Nice to chat as always. Ivy ----- Original Message ----- From: "doreen EL-AHWANY" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, December 15, 2003 11:36 PM Subject: Re: [ENG-LAN-MIDDLETON-L] 9 Townley Street > Hi again Ivy, > > The 1891 census shows a James Anderton (labourer) and wife living at number > 9. There is no entry for that number on the 1901, so perhaps the mill was > built between 1891 and 1901? > > Doreen. > > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.545 / Virus Database: 339 - Release Date: 27/11/2003 > > > ==== ENG-LAN-MIDDLETON Mailing List ==== > http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~emmaw/ for free Web Editor software. > Web space. ANY amount. ANY subject. > RootsWeb's Freepages put you in touch with millions. > http://cgi.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/acctform.cgi >

Hi Doreen It was Brookside Mill, Lodge Mill is next door and currently owned by Taycal. Ivy Middleton Manchester ----- Original Message ----- From: "doreen EL-AHWANY" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, December 15, 2003 11:06 PM Subject: Re: [ENG-LAN-MIDDLETON-L] Huguenot research > Hi Ivy, > > What was the name of your mill? The only one I can see in the "Mills"index > is for Townley Mill which was built 1889 (Messrs Kempsey & Co). Although > this says it was on Townley Street, I think this one was further back. A lot > of these, I just have names and no streets. > The maps show Brookside Mill (built 1860) and Lodge Mill. > If you let me know the name, I can take another look at the index. > > Doreen. > > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.545 / Virus Database: 339 - Release Date: 27/11/2003 > > > ==== ENG-LAN-MIDDLETON Mailing List ==== > Make your own home page with IMS > Web Dwarf. Free HTML Editor http://www.webdwarf.com >

Hi again Ivy, The 1891 census shows a James Anderton (labourer) and wife living at number 9. There is no entry for that number on the 1901, so perhaps the mill was built between 1891 and 1901? Doreen. --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.545 / Virus Database: 339 - Release Date: 27/11/2003