I am trying to find info on John Taylor born around 1800.I know he was a joiner and his wife was Betty, they possibly married about 1830 at St Chads ,Milnrow. I know they had a son James who eventually lived in Mossley. According to the IGI the other children I think are Edwin, Joseph, Luke, Sarah, Robert, David, Alice , Bettey, Emma and Mary. A lookup for the 1851 census would possibly confirm some of these details if anybody has access to these it would be very much appreciated. Regards Dorothy Livesey

Thanks Doreen I did not think there used to be so many two up and two down houses in Manchester.I always thought they were in the cotten towns around Lancashire suprising what you learn with Family History Best Regards Jim

Doreen, I was interested in your comments. Now that I'm certain the majority of my research will centre on Oldham and surrounds, I need to start investing in census cds. ? I think that I should start with 1871 that's when I lose people. I am hoping soon to go down to Oldham to spend a day at Oldham Local Studies and Archives, is this the Oldham LSU you mention? Anne Co. Durham

Hi Jim, Below description from the first page: Boundary: Commencing at Bradford Road corner of Beswick Street; along right side of Bradford Road to Gibbon St; right side of Gibbon St to River Medlock, River Medlock to Beswick St, right side of Beswick St to Bradford Road. Contents: Comprising Holt Tavern, Pollard St East, Howard, Tuer(?), Solon, Vincent, Clyde, Lind, Branson, Cryer`s, Bradbury, Cowen, Hooley, Matilda, Pump, Mill and Weston Streets, and all houses in the Boundary Line including all Streets, Courts, and Places whatsoever within the aforesaid Boundary. The whole in the Parliamentary Division of North East Manchester. Ecclesiastical Parish - St Philips. Doreen. --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.586 / Virus Database: 371 - Release Date: 12/02/2004

Hi Doreen could you please lookup woodcocks again in New Cross Manchester and find a few ajacent streets as I have still not found it on my ordanance survey map.The map is 1896 so I think it will be on Regards Jim

Several colleagues on this site have mentioned checking their full or partial census indexes for Lancashire, and I wonder whether they could tell the rest of us what is available commercially. I have a standing order with S&N Genealogy for all their UK census CDs (all counties) as published, but the lack of name indexes is a problem. For Lancashire the census images for 1861, 1871, 1891 and 1901 are available, but only that for 1891 has a name index (still incomplete) on CD for five pounds. S&N are also making access to in-progress online indexes available to subscribers. The only other published index of which I am aware are the printed ones of the LFH&HS for 1851. The LDS 1881 transcript is very useful and self-indexing (and contains its share of errors). I'd welcome learning what indexes are available for Lancashire. Edward -------------------------------------------------------------- Dr Edward R. Reid-Smith 2 Salmon Street Wagga Wagga, NSW 2650, Australia home phone: +61 2 6921 4759 home fax: +61 2 6921 9115 email: [email protected] ------------------------------------------------------------

Hi Edward, In addition to the census indexes Doreen has mentioned The LFH&HS have surname indexed various towns. You will find a list of available fiche for sale via the web page at http://www.lfhhs.org.uk/shop/fiche/index.htm These indexes obviously take a great deal of time to compile and to check, but volunteers at most branches of the society attempt to index their own area, many months of work in districts with large populations. As a member of the LFH&HS you should have received a printed list of fiche available in one of your "Lancashire" magazines. All for now Sylvia ----- Original Message ----- From: "Edward Reid-Smith" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, March 04, 2004 6:08 AM Subject: [ENG-LAN-MIDDLETON-L] Census indexes > Several colleagues on this site have mentioned checking their full or > partial census indexes for Lancashire, and I wonder whether they could tell > the rest of us what is available commercially. > > I have a standing order with S&N Genealogy for all their UK census CDs (all > counties) as published, but the lack of name indexes is a problem. For > Lancashire the census images for 1861, 1871, 1891 and 1901 are available, > but only that for 1891 has a name index (still incomplete) on CD for five > pounds. S&N are also making access to in-progress online indexes available > to subscribers. The only other published index of which I am aware are the > printed ones of the LFH&HS for 1851. The LDS 1881 transcript is very useful > and self-indexing (and contains its share of errors). > > I'd welcome learning what indexes are available for Lancashire. > > Edward > > -------------------------------------------------------------- > Dr Edward R. Reid-Smith > 2 Salmon Street > Wagga Wagga, NSW 2650, Australia > > home phone: +61 2 6921 4759 > home fax: +61 2 6921 9115 > email: [email protected] > ------------------------------------------------------------ > > > ==== ENG-LAN-MIDDLETON Mailing List ==== > To unsubscribe, > you should send the command "unsubscribe" to [email protected] > (if in mail mode) or [email protected] (if in digest mode.) > To switch from one mode to the other, you should unsubscribe from one > and then subscribe to the other. If you > want messages to stop, you should simply unsubscribe. >

Hello Edward, Manchester & Lancs FHS have also done a few surname indexes to the census records, and others are ongoing. See http://www.mlfhs.org.uk Salford and part of north Manchester is complete for 1891 - indexes available on Cd. Indexes for 1861 include Salford, and parts of Manchester, Chorlton on Medlock, Didsbury, etc. (see website). Oldham LSU have indexes for all the census yrs though not available for sale. Middleton is complete for all yrs - available from mlfhs. 1901 index not yet published but have a copy at home. The 1841 census CDs are available from Stepping Stones. Doreen. > --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.586 / Virus Database: 371 - Release Date: 12/02/2004

Hi Stephen, Two census records below. Hope they help. 1871 census. RG10/4106. 131/13. Smithy Brow. Tonge. Lancs. William Oldham. Head. Mar. 36. Print Works Lab. Lancs. Middleton. Jane Oldham. Wife. Mar. 34. Cotton Winder. Lancs. Middleton. Robert Schofield. Son. 13. Print Works Lab. Lancs. Tonge. Joseph Oldham. Son. 4. Scholar. Lancs. Tonge. 1861 census. RG9/3025. 61/6. 7 Ashton Lane. Tonge. Lancs. Robert Scholfield. Head. Widr. 71. Drawer Inn (sic) of Silk. Lancs. Heywood. Jane Scholfield. Daur. Unm. 24. Silk Winder. Lancs. Middleton. Robert Scholfield. Grand Son. 10 mths. Lancs. Tonge. Let me know if no-one has managed to do the original 1851 census look-up. Can do this next Monday when at the library if still req. Doreen. --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.586 / Virus Database: 371 - Release Date: 12/02/2004

Hi Doreen, That would be helpful, as it would provide us with his name, Thanks Stephen -----Original Message----- From: doreen EL-AHWANY [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: 02 March 2004 16:15 To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [ENG-LAN-MIDDLETON-L] Jane Schofield, Middleton, 1851 Census Hi Stephen, Haven`t got the 1851 census at home, but have you got the 1871census details? The family would probably be in Tonge, and Mr. Oldham could be there. Can search this if req. Doreen. --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.586 / Virus Database: 371 - Release Date: 12/02/2004 ______________________________

Help!!! Anyone on the list who can help me find anything on George Bradbury b c1813 who married Martha Shoesmith b c1821. They were married on Oct 15 1843 and came to Australia in 1846. The wedding cert states they were married at the Parish Church in the Parish of Middleton in the County of Lancaster. I have been searching for 8 years and have had no replies. He doesn't seem to have ever existed prior to his wedding. I am going insane over this so if any one has even the slightest bit of info or advise, I would appreciate it greatly. Regards Jenny Fairchild (Victoria Australia)

Does anyone have a source for looking up mill owners in Rochdale? I know that my ggrandfather William Malone owned two mills (along with a partner) in the mid 1870s. I would like to learn the mill names and the partner's name, and would be most grateful for any assistance. Also, can anyone tell me the story of the collapse of Fenton's Bank in Rochdale in about 1879? Thanks! Florence Gillman At 07:00 PM 3/2/2004, you wrote: >ENG-LAN-MIDDLETON-D Digest Volume 04 : Issue 20 > >Today's Topics: > #1 [ENG-LAN-MIDDLETON-L] Re Woodcocks ["Doris Higson" > <[email protected]] > #2 [ENG-LAN-MIDDLETON-L] Bradbury res ["JENNIFER FAIRCHILD" > <[email protected]] > #3 RE: [ENG-LAN-MIDDLETON-L] Jane Sch ["Edwards, Stephen" > <stephen.edward] > #4 [ENG-LAN-MIDDLETON-L] Simpson of H ["Edward Reid-Smith" > <Edward.Reid-S] > #5 [ENG-LAN-MIDDLETON-L] Heywoods in ["John Heywood" > <[email protected]] > #6 Re: [ENG-LAN-MIDDLETON-L] Jane Sch ["doreen EL-AHWANY" > <[email protected]] > #7 [ENG-LAN-MIDDLETON-L] John Baron ["Richard Jeffery" > <[email protected]] > >Administrivia: >To unsubscribe from ENG-LAN-MIDDLETON-D, send a message to > > [email protected] > >that contains in the body of the message the command > > unsubscribe > >and no other text. No subject line is necessary, but if your software >requires one, just use unsubscribe in the subject, too. > >______________________________X-Message: #1 >Date: Tue, 2 Mar 2004 08:04:46 -0000 >From: "Doris Higson" <[email protected]> >To: [email protected] >Message-ID: <[email protected]> >Subject: [ENG-LAN-MIDDLETON-L] Re Woodcocks >Content-Type: text/plain; > charset="iso-8859-1" > >Thanks for youre offer Sylvia.Doreen found them yesterday >in Manchester they must have moved to Manchester then moved back again in >about 1910 > Regards Jim > >______________________________X-Message: #2 >Date: Wed, 3 Mar 2004 10:36:56 +1100 >From: "JENNIFER FAIRCHILD" <[email protected]> >To: [email protected] >Message-ID: <[email protected]> >Subject: [ENG-LAN-MIDDLETON-L] Bradbury research. >Content-Type: text/plain; > charset="iso-8859-1" > >Help!!! Anyone on the list who can help me find anything on George >Bradbury b c1813 who married Martha Shoesmith b c1821. They were married >on Oct 15 1843 and came to Australia in 1846. The wedding cert states >they were married at the Parish Church in the Parish of Middleton in the >County of Lancaster. I have been searching for 8 years and have had no >replies. He doesn't seem to have ever existed prior to his wedding. I am >going insane over this so if any one has even the slightest bit of info or >advise, I would appreciate it greatly. > >Regards Jenny Fairchild (Victoria Australia) > >______________________________X-Message: #3 >Date: Tue, 2 Mar 2004 12:04:19 -0000 >From: "Edwards, Stephen" <[email protected]> >To: [email protected] >Message-ID: ><[email protected]s.com> >Subject: RE: [ENG-LAN-MIDDLETON-L] Jane Schofield, Middleton, 1851 Census >Content-Type: text/plain > >Doreen, > >Thanks for your e-mail. My understanding from a cousin of my wife is that >Schofield was Jane's maiden name. In 1881 she was married to an Oldham, >although he is not listed on the return, so he may have been away form >home that night. She had a son, Robert, in 1859 but was unmarried >according to family knowledge. If she doesn't show up in 1851 as Jane >Schofield, it could be that Schofield was a married name. > >Regards > >Stephen > >-----Original Message----- >From: doreen EL-AHWANY [mailto:[email protected]] >Sent: 02 March 2004 00:38 >To: [email protected] >Subject: Re: [ENG-LAN-MIDDLETON-L] Jane Schofield, Middleton, 1851 Census > > >Hi Stephen, > >Was Schofield her married name - or was she single on the 1881 with her 3 >children? > >Doreen. > >----- Original Message ----- > > I am trying to research my wife's family in the Middleton area, and > > have >got > > stuck on Jane Schofield who shows up with her children in the 1881 > > census. She lists her place of birth as Middleton, with her three > > children all >being > > born in Tonge. She was 45 year old. Does SKS have access to the 1851 > > census and a little time to look up Jane Schofield who would have been >about > > 15 at the time. I am interested in finding out who her parents and >siblings > > were. > > > >--- >Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). >Version: 6.0.586 / Virus Database: 371 - Release Date: 13/02/2004 > >______________________________ > >______________________________X-Message: #4 >Date: Tue, 2 Mar 2004 12:08:35 +1100 >From: "Edward Reid-Smith" <[email protected]> >To: [email protected] >Message-ID: <[email protected]> >Subject: [ENG-LAN-MIDDLETON-L] Simpson of Heywood etc >Content-Type: text/plain; > charset="iso-8859-1" >Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > >Having noted the baptism of Jonathan Simpson from Henry Brierley's microfilm >name index to St Chad's registers in Rochdale Library a couple of years ago, >I'm now trying to find further details. Brierley gives the parents of >Jonathan as Edward & Ann of Captain Fold, and the date of baptism seems to >be 10 January 1780. I'd welcome any information about Jonathan's siblings >and ancestry. >Edward. > >- ------------------------------------------------------------ >Dr Edward R. Reid-Smith >2 Salmon Street >Wagga Wagga, NSW 2650, Australia > >home phone: +61 2 6921 4759 >home fax: +61 2 6921 9115 >email: [email protected] >- ---------------------------------------------------------- > >______________________________X-Message: #5 >Date: Tue, 2 Mar 2004 12:45:22 -0000 >From: "John Heywood" <[email protected]> >To: [email protected] >Message-ID: <[email protected]> >Subject: [ENG-LAN-MIDDLETON-L] Heywoods in Middleton >Content-Type: text/plain; > charset="iso-8859-1" > >Is there anybody out there who has done any work on sorting out the >various Heywood lines in Middleton? My line gets stuck with Joseph >Heywood, who died on June 26th 1867 and is buried in Middleton Cemetery, >in the section beyond the churchyard aged 83. He was therefore born in >1783/4. > >Joseph married Alice Taylor from Thornham, who was the daughter of John >Taylor and Susannah Fallows who are buried in the lower churchyard. > >Joseph and Alice had 9 children. Their eldest son(if a possible twin John >died in infancy) Thomas had a son Joseph, that we know emigrated to >America and ended up in Attleborough, Massachusetts. It's possible the >Attleboro' Heywoods have family papers that might take the line further back. > >I've discovered on other lines that family papers, if they exist, always >make a huge difference by producing evidence you would never have arrived >at any other way. > >John Heywood > > >______________________________X-Message: #6 >Date: Tue, 2 Mar 2004 16:15:22 -0000 >From: "doreen EL-AHWANY" <[email protected]> >To: [email protected] >Message-ID: <[email protected]> >Subject: Re: [ENG-LAN-MIDDLETON-L] Jane Schofield, Middleton, 1851 Census >Content-Type: text/plain; > charset="iso-8859-1" >Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > >Hi Stephen, > >Haven`t got the 1851 census at home, but have you got the 1871census >details? The family would probably be in Tonge, and Mr. Oldham could be >there. >Can search this if req. > >Doreen. > > > >--- >Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). >Version: 6.0.586 / Virus Database: 371 - Release Date: 12/02/2004 > >______________________________X-Message: #7 >Date: Tue, 2 Mar 2004 19:39:50 -0000 >From: "Richard Jeffery" <[email protected]> >To: [email protected] >Message-ID: <[email protected]> >Subject: [ENG-LAN-MIDDLETON-L] John Baron >Content-Type: text/plain; > charset="iso-8859-1" >Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > Can any one help with any information about john Baron, especially looking >for any obituaries but all information would be most welcome. > > >JOHN BARON born 1795/96 possibly Middleton died 17th january 1869 and was >buried at St James Asworth on 23rd January 1869. >In his will of 1866 he is described as being of the Folley within Spotland >in the Parish of Rochdale, cotton spinner and manufacturer. >In the burial registers of St James Ashworth is described as of Holly Bank >Bamford. > >He had a mill in Bamford. > >His wife Jane died in 1861 and they had 3 children > >Mary Georgiana 1854 >John 1856 >Margaret Helena 1858. > > >Thanks > >Richard Jeffery >Sussex by the Sea

Can any one help with any information about john Baron, especially looking for any obituaries but all information would be most welcome. JOHN BARON born 1795/96 possibly Middleton died 17th january 1869 and was buried at St James Asworth on 23rd January 1869. In his will of 1866 he is described as being of the Folley within Spotland in the Parish of Rochdale, cotton spinner and manufacturer. In the burial registers of St James Ashworth is described as of Holly Bank Bamford. He had a mill in Bamford. His wife Jane died in 1861 and they had 3 children Mary Georgiana 1854 John 1856 Margaret Helena 1858. Thanks Richard Jeffery Sussex by the Sea

Hi Stephen, Haven`t got the 1851 census at home, but have you got the 1871census details? The family would probably be in Tonge, and Mr. Oldham could be there. Can search this if req. Doreen. --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.586 / Virus Database: 371 - Release Date: 12/02/2004

Is there anybody out there who has done any work on sorting out the various Heywood lines in Middleton? My line gets stuck with Joseph Heywood, who died on June 26th 1867 and is buried in Middleton Cemetery, in the section beyond the churchyard aged 83. He was therefore born in 1783/4. Joseph married Alice Taylor from Thornham, who was the daughter of John Taylor and Susannah Fallows who are buried in the lower churchyard. Joseph and Alice had 9 children. Their eldest son(if a possible twin John died in infancy) Thomas had a son Joseph, that we know emigrated to America and ended up in Attleborough, Massachusetts. It's possible the Attleboro' Heywoods have family papers that might take the line further back. I've discovered on other lines that family papers, if they exist, always make a huge difference by producing evidence you would never have arrived at any other way. John Heywood

Having noted the baptism of Jonathan Simpson from Henry Brierley's microfilm name index to St Chad's registers in Rochdale Library a couple of years ago, I'm now trying to find further details. Brierley gives the parents of Jonathan as Edward & Ann of Captain Fold, and the date of baptism seems to be 10 January 1780. I'd welcome any information about Jonathan's siblings and ancestry. Edward. -------------------------------------------------------------- Dr Edward R. Reid-Smith 2 Salmon Street Wagga Wagga, NSW 2650, Australia home phone: +61 2 6921 4759 home fax: +61 2 6921 9115 email: [email protected] ------------------------------------------------------------

Doreen, Thanks for your e-mail. My understanding from a cousin of my wife is that Schofield was Jane's maiden name. In 1881 she was married to an Oldham, although he is not listed on the return, so he may have been away form home that night. She had a son, Robert, in 1859 but was unmarried according to family knowledge. If she doesn't show up in 1851 as Jane Schofield, it could be that Schofield was a married name. Regards Stephen -----Original Message----- From: doreen EL-AHWANY [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: 02 March 2004 00:38 To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [ENG-LAN-MIDDLETON-L] Jane Schofield, Middleton, 1851 Census Hi Stephen, Was Schofield her married name - or was she single on the 1881 with her 3 children? Doreen. ----- Original Message ----- > I am trying to research my wife's family in the Middleton area, and > have got > stuck on Jane Schofield who shows up with her children in the 1881 > census. She lists her place of birth as Middleton, with her three > children all being > born in Tonge. She was 45 year old. Does SKS have access to the 1851 > census and a little time to look up Jane Schofield who would have been about > 15 at the time. I am interested in finding out who her parents and siblings > were. --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.586 / Virus Database: 371 - Release Date: 13/02/2004 ______________________________

Thanks for youre offer Sylvia.Doreen found them yesterday in Manchester they must have moved to Manchester then moved back again in about 1910 Regards Jim

Thanks Doreen That was a stroke of luck thats what you need in this research I can make a start now Regards Jim

Hi Stephen, Was Schofield her married name - or was she single on the 1881 with her 3 children? Doreen. ----- Original Message ----- > I am trying to research my wife's family in the Middleton area, and have got > stuck on Jane Schofield who shows up with her children in the 1881 census. > She lists her place of birth as Middleton, with her three children all being > born in Tonge. She was 45 year old. Does SKS have access to the 1851 > census and a little time to look up Jane Schofield who would have been about > 15 at the time. I am interested in finding out who her parents and siblings > were. --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.586 / Virus Database: 371 - Release Date: 13/02/2004