Hello John, Yes, spring 2005 is when I will be ready for the graveyard search. Have to finish indexing the burials from the PRs first. Should be finished before then - but winter is not a good time to wander around the graveyard! If you could manage to come over and help - that would be great. Thanks a lot. Doreen. --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.586 / Virus Database: 371 - Release Date: 12/02/2004

There is a kenyone Lane in Middleton Joan Hi to list, Could someone be able to tell me how far back the register at St.Leonards goes? I have a John and Sarah KENYON parents of William KENYON who was baptized there 1763 and would be interested in searching this line back as far as possible. Also, Does anyone on list have any information about a road or street named "Kenyon Lane" located in the Oldham area? Would appreciate any help. Thanks, Neil Kenyon, French Lick, IN ==== ENG-LAN-MIDDLETON Mailing List ==== http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~emmaw/ for free Web Editor software. Web space. ANY amount. ANY subject. RootsWeb's Freepages put you in touch with millions. http://cgi.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/acctform.cgi

Hi to list, Could someone be able to tell me how far back the register at St.Leonards goes? I have a John and Sarah KENYON parents of William KENYON who was baptized there 1763 and would be interested in searching this line back as far as possible. Also, Does anyone on list have any information about a road or street named "Kenyon Lane" located in the Oldham area? Would appreciate any help. Thanks, Neil Kenyon, French Lick, IN

Hi Dorren, Not sure about work commitments next spring yet but you can put me down provisionally if you like - I'm in Whitefield, not far at all. Laura V.

Dear Doreen, As well as Heywoods, I am connected to Taylors twice in Middleton. Both my G-G-GF and G-G-G-F married Taylor women, and the parents of both of these women James Taylor/Ellen Smith & John Taylor/Susannah Fallows are in Graveyard No 2. G-G-F William & Mary and G-G-G GF Joseph & Alice are in Graveyard No 3 and G-GF William & Emma are in the extension around No 3. I was interested in what you had to say about the graveyard. It strikes me as being a special place compared to many others in the Manchester area, because all the graves are still visible, and together they give you a pretty complete portrait of a nineteenth century society. To all of you who live far away, the graveyard stretches out along a low ridge beside the church with broad views looking over the town and across to the main Pennine chain. In the summer, the graveyard is full of wild lupins. I read somewhere that Samuel Bamford was the first person to deliberately cultivate flowers on a grave (his daughter Ann's), and sometimes wonder if the lupins at Middleton descend from that. I got quite a lot of pleasure out of cracking the code of the grave numbering system. Once you've figured it out, it works. Regarding volunteering, I only live in Lancaster, and would be happy to come over. Do you mean Spring next year rather than this Spring? I have occasional thoughts about having my G-GF's gravestone restored. The cross has been knocked off the pedestal, but is still there. Then I think it would be a waste of money. Having it restored would just be tempting people to knock it off again. John Heywood in Lancaster ----- Original Message ----- From: "doreen EL-AHWANY" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, March 08, 2004 9:56 PM Subject: Re: [ENG-LAN-MIDDLETON-L] Heywoods in Middleton > True - there are numerous Heywood families in and around Middleton. Haven`t > counted them yet, but quite a lot on each census and in the marriage index. > The name which occurs the most often locally is TAYLOR. > > N.B. The Middleton burial index (for the National Burials Index) is > progressing slowly but surely. As there isn`t a plan for grave yard number > 3, the burials with grave numbers are being entered onto a spreadsheet. It > won`t be complete as only about 1 in 10 have these grave numbers entered. > When finished, it is hoped that a few extra details will be added during a > stroll around the graveyard at the top of the hill. Will need some > volunteers to help with this - so if anyone is local and can help (probably > next spring) - please let me know!! > > The M.I.s that are available for graveyard number 2 (done 1980)will be > checked as the index progresses. A few "errors" are well-known here, mainly > dates and ages that couldn`t be read from the old headstones. > > Doreen in Middleton. > > > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.586 / Virus Database: 371 - Release Date: 12/02/2004 > > > ==== ENG-LAN-MIDDLETON Mailing List ==== > http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~emmaw/ for free Web Editor software. > Web space. ANY amount. ANY subject. > RootsWeb's Freepages put you in touch with millions.

Thanks Ivy - you are now on my list! Will let you know when all is ready. Doreen. ----- Original Message ----- > Hi Doreen > > You can put me down just as long as it can be done between 9.30am and > 3.00pm, I have to call at Elm St School twice a day for grandchildren. > > I live just off Barrowfields so it is no problem. > > Ivy Murphy --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.586 / Virus Database: 371 - Release Date: 12/02/2004

Hi Doreen You can put me down just as long as it can be done between 9.30am and 3.00pm, I have to call at Elm St School twice a day for grandchildren. I live just off Barrowfields so it is no problem. Ivy Murphy Middleton ----- Original Message ----- From: "doreen EL-AHWANY" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, March 08, 2004 9:56 PM Subject: Re: [ENG-LAN-MIDDLETON-L] Heywoods in Middleton > True - there are numerous Heywood families in and around Middleton. Haven`t > counted them yet, but quite a lot on each census and in the marriage index. > The name which occurs the most often locally is TAYLOR. > > N.B. The Middleton burial index (for the National Burials Index) is > progressing slowly but surely. As there isn`t a plan for grave yard number > 3, the burials with grave numbers are being entered onto a spreadsheet. It > won`t be complete as only about 1 in 10 have these grave numbers entered. > When finished, it is hoped that a few extra details will be added during a > stroll around the graveyard at the top of the hill. Will need some > volunteers to help with this - so if anyone is local and can help (probably > next spring) - please let me know!! > > The M.I.s that are available for graveyard number 2 (done 1980)will be > checked as the index progresses. A few "errors" are well-known here, mainly > dates and ages that couldn`t be read from the old headstones. > > Doreen in Middleton. > > > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.586 / Virus Database: 371 - Release Date: 12/02/2004 > > > ==== ENG-LAN-MIDDLETON Mailing List ==== > http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~emmaw/ for free Web Editor software. > Web space. ANY amount. ANY subject. > RootsWeb's Freepages put you in touch with millions. >

True - there are numerous Heywood families in and around Middleton. Haven`t counted them yet, but quite a lot on each census and in the marriage index. The name which occurs the most often locally is TAYLOR. N.B. The Middleton burial index (for the National Burials Index) is progressing slowly but surely. As there isn`t a plan for grave yard number 3, the burials with grave numbers are being entered onto a spreadsheet. It won`t be complete as only about 1 in 10 have these grave numbers entered. When finished, it is hoped that a few extra details will be added during a stroll around the graveyard at the top of the hill. Will need some volunteers to help with this - so if anyone is local and can help (probably next spring) - please let me know!! The M.I.s that are available for graveyard number 2 (done 1980)will be checked as the index progresses. A few "errors" are well-known here, mainly dates and ages that couldn`t be read from the old headstones. Doreen in Middleton. --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.586 / Virus Database: 371 - Release Date: 12/02/2004

I have a grave that is close to the wall behind the old school. the last time I saw it it had my Grandfather name on. I know for a fact that there are more people in that grave as I went to the funerals but the stone doesn't give them all. If you ever come across it (John Thomas Smith) let me know and I will give you the names of the others just for the record. Joan Dear Doreen, As well as Heywoods, I am connected to Taylors twice in Middleton. Both my G-G-GF and G-G-G-F married Taylor women, and the parents of both of these women James Taylor/Ellen Smith & John Taylor/Susannah Fallows are in Graveyard No 2. G-G-F William & Mary and G-G-G GF Joseph & Alice are in Graveyard No 3 and G-GF William & Emma are in the extension around No 3. I was interested in what you had to say about the graveyard. It strikes me as being a special place compared to many others in the Manchester area, because all the graves are still visible, and together they give you a pretty complete portrait of a nineteenth century society. To all of you who live far away, the graveyard stretches out along a low ridge beside the church with broad views looking over the town and across to the main Pennine chain. In the summer, the graveyard is full of wild lupins. I read somewhere that Samuel Bamford was the first person to deliberately cultivate flowers on a grave (his daughter Ann's), and sometimes wonder if the lupins at Middleton descend from that. I got quite a lot of pleasure out of cracking the code of the grave numbering system. Once you've figured it out, it works. Regarding volunteering, I only live in Lancaster, and would be happy to come over. Do you mean Spring next year rather than this Spring? I have occasional thoughts about having my G-GF's gravestone restored. The cross has been knocked off the pedestal, but is still there. Then I think it would be a waste of money. Having it restored would just be tempting people to knock it off again. John Heywood in Lancaster ----- Original Message ----- From: "doreen EL-AHWANY" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, March 08, 2004 9:56 PM Subject: Re: [ENG-LAN-MIDDLETON-L] Heywoods in Middleton > True - there are numerous Heywood families in and around Middleton. Haven`t > counted them yet, but quite a lot on each census and in the marriage index. > The name which occurs the most often locally is TAYLOR. > > N.B. The Middleton burial index (for the National Burials Index) is > progressing slowly but surely. As there isn`t a plan for grave yard number > 3, the burials with grave numbers are being entered onto a spreadsheet. It > won`t be complete as only about 1 in 10 have these grave numbers entered. > When finished, it is hoped that a few extra details will be added during a > stroll around the graveyard at the top of the hill. Will need some > volunteers to help with this - so if anyone is local and can help (probably > next spring) - please let me know!! > > The M.I.s that are available for graveyard number 2 (done 1980)will be > checked as the index progresses. A few "errors" are well-known here, mainly > dates and ages that couldn`t be read from the old headstones. > > Doreen in Middleton. > > > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.586 / Virus Database: 371 - Release Date: 12/02/2004 > > > ==== ENG-LAN-MIDDLETON Mailing List ==== > http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~emmaw/ for free Web Editor software. > Web space. ANY amount. ANY subject. > RootsWeb's Freepages put you in touch with millions. ==== ENG-LAN-MIDDLETON Mailing List ==== >==== ENG-LAN-MIDDLETON Mailing List ==== To search the archives of this list go to: http://searches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl?surname=ENG-LAN-MIDDLETON [email protected]

Dear Robert, Thanks for your Elizabeth, but I can't make a connection to her. Do you know who Elizabeth's parents were? The earliest set of Heywood siblings I can relate to are the Children of Joseph & Alice Baptized in John and Thomas 1809 William 1810 Sarah 1812 Joseph 1815 Mary 1816 James 1818 Robert 1821 Joseph 1822 John and Thomas are baptised in different months. But although the change of location (see below) suggests there might be more than one family mixed up here, we have other evidence tying in both John (living with his parents as a widower in the 1851 Census) and Thomas (letter from a grandson in America) to the family. The family itself is said to have come from 'top o' town' ie the 'club house' area close to the church. In 1841/51/61 they're in Fielding St or nearby. Someone has recently mentioned the 90 or so Hilton families. Has anyone counted how many separate Heywood families there seem to be? I had fun some years ago scraping moss off the stones in the utterly wonderful Middleton Cemetery and coming up with around 20 separate Heywood stones. They appeared to have made a mistake with our Joseph & Alice's dates and recut the stone clumsily as a result. Here comes the detail! John bap: 2.04.1809 son of Joseph H. Weaver & Alice his wife of Middleton Thomas bap: 17.09.1809 son of Joseph H Weaver & Alice his wife of Little Heaton William bap: 7.12.1810 son of Joseph Heywood Weaver & Alice his wife of M. Sarah bap: 18.10.1812 daughter of J H Weaver & A of Little Heaton (crossed out and 'Middleton' inserted above. Even the registrar seems to have got confused! Joseph bap 24.5.1815 son of J.H. Weaver & A his wife of M Mary bap 21.4.1816 son of J H W & A of M James bap 9.8.1818 son of J H W & A of M Robert bap 11.3.1821 son of J H W & A of M Joseph bap 5.9.1822 son of J H W & A of M The story behind the mix-up on the gravestone, which is a nice example of being able to get a puzzle sorted out. 'Alice's death certificate and entry in the Burial records make it clear that this is the grave of the Fielding Street couple. This Joseph dies on June 26th 1867 aged 83, well after her, which fits with Alice not being designated 'widow' on her death certificate. But the name ALICE is curiously recut at a lower level as if the carver had made a spelling mistake and had to re-do his work. Her dates and age are also not quite right. The Fielding St Alice dies aged 67 on Feb 11th 1853. The stone has ALSO ALICE HEYWOOD his Wife, who died January 27TH 1853 AGED 68 YEARS. Re-checking the burial records provided an explanation. A few days before Alice's entry is the following 'Anne, wife of Joseph Heywood, Middleton, Jan 31, 68 years.' with the presumed date of death, Jan 27, in the margin. Underneath, someone has started to write the same grave number as Alice's, but crossed it out before completing it - 18-15. - and replaced it with 23-30-3. (And exactly in that position, there is a grave to a Joseph and Anne Heywood, with Anne dying on January 27th, aged 68.) If Joseph and Alice's stone was only cut when Joseph died, fourteen years after Alice, perhaps the stonemason was simply told that the wife had died in 1853 and been left to check out the details with the churchwardens, who stopped at the first entry they came to. When the mistake was realised, the crucial thing must have been to get the name right - Alice doesn't take up much more space than Anne - but the date and the age were near enough to let them stand. To have had it all corrected would have made an even greater mess of the stone.' John Heywood ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert Berry" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, March 06, 2004 4:10 PM Subject: RE: [ENG-LAN-MIDDLETON-L] Heywoods in Middleton > Re Heywoods in Middleton > > I have an Elizabeth Heywood who married William Ramsden of Tonge Middleton > at St Mary Prestwich on 07th April 1828. No further details sorry! > > Robert > > -----Original Message----- > From: John Heywood [mailto:[email protected]] > Sent: 02 March 2004 12:45 > To: [email protected] > Subject: [ENG-LAN-MIDDLETON-L] Heywoods in Middleton > > > Is there anybody out there who has done any work on sorting out the various > Heywood lines in Middleton? My line gets stuck with Joseph Heywood, who died > on June 26th 1867 and is buried in Middleton Cemetery, in the section beyond > the churchyard aged 83. He was therefore born in 1783/4. > > Joseph married Alice Taylor from Thornham, who was the daughter of John > Taylor and Susannah Fallows who are buried in the lower churchyard. > > Joseph and Alice had 9 children. Their eldest son(if a possible twin John > died in infancy) Thomas had a son Joseph, that we know emigrated to America > and ended up in Attleborough, Massachusetts. It's possible the Attleboro' > Heywoods have family papers that might take the line further back. > > I've discovered on other lines that family papers, if they exist, always > make a huge difference by producing evidence you would never have arrived at > any other way. > > John Heywood > > > > ==== ENG-LAN-MIDDLETON Mailing List ==== > To unsubscribe, > you should send the command "unsubscribe" to > [email protected] > (if in mail mode) or [email protected] (if in digest > mode.) > To switch from one mode to the other, you should unsubscribe from one > and then subscribe to the other. 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Thanks for the information, we will check it out. Any help is always very welcome! Sandy & John Devlin ----- Original Message ----- From: "Edward Reid-Smith" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, March 07, 2004 1:09 PM Subject: [ENG-LAN-MIDDLETON-L] Hiltons and brickmakers > John, > > 1. Out of curiosity I have just checked Edward Baines' "History, > Directory and Gazetteer, of the County of Lancaster..." (vol 2 dated 1825), > which has the following Hilton entry under Middleton:- > > p.430. Jonathan Hilton, mfr.; h. Church street. > > Such early directories are very selective, of course, being largely limited > to trades (with some "gentry" etc). > > 2. By the way, a couple of years ago I had details of the Brickmakers > Index, run by David Cufley somewhere in the UK, but cannot lay my hands on > it. May be worth a Web search for your Humphries of Chester. > > Edward > > > -------------------------------------------------------------- > Dr Edward Reid-Smith > 2 Salmon Street > Wagga Wagga, NSW 2650, Australia > > home phone: +61 2 6921 4759 > home fax: +61 2 6921 9115 > email: [email protected] > ------------------------------------------------------------ > > > ==== ENG-LAN-MIDDLETON Mailing List ==== > Make your own home page with IMS > Web Dwarf. Free HTML Editor http://www.webdwarf.com

Hi Edward I think this is what you are looking for. http://www.davidrcufley.btinternet.co.uk/brkindx.htm Ivy Murphy Manchester UK

John, 1. Out of curiosity I have just checked Edward Baines' "History, Directory and Gazetteer, of the County of Lancaster..." (vol 2 dated 1825), which has the following Hilton entry under Middleton:- p.430. Jonathan Hilton, mfr.; h. Church street. Such early directories are very selective, of course, being largely limited to trades (with some "gentry" etc). 2. By the way, a couple of years ago I had details of the Brickmakers Index, run by David Cufley somewhere in the UK, but cannot lay my hands on it. May be worth a Web search for your Humphries of Chester. Edward -------------------------------------------------------------- Dr Edward Reid-Smith 2 Salmon Street Wagga Wagga, NSW 2650, Australia home phone: +61 2 6921 4759 home fax: +61 2 6921 9115 email: [email protected] ------------------------------------------------------------

John, 10 Teignmouth Street was unoccupied in the 1871 census. cheers, Edward -------------------------------------------------------------- Dr Edward Reid-Smith 2 Salmon Street Wagga Wagga, NSW 2650, Australia home phone: +61 2 6921 4759 home fax: +61 2 6921 9115 email: [email protected] ------------------------------------------------------------

Thanks to those who responded to my enquiry about Lancashire census name indexes. To help colleagues I'm happy to look up the odd address in the Lancashire censuses on CD-ROMs for townships where the street index exists. Sorry, it just takes too long to trawl for names without an address. Edward -------------------------------------------------------------- Dr Edward Reid-Smith 2 Salmon Street Wagga Wagga, NSW 2650, Australia home phone: +61 2 6921 4759 home fax: +61 2 6921 9115 email: [email protected] ------------------------------------------------------------

Neil Kenyon's "Alice Wolstinholive (???) - age 24 - unmarried - servant, born Lanchashire, Caselton" is presumably Alice Wolstenholme of Castleton (which in 1851 was a much wider area than the present township -- my childhood home). Edward -------------------------------------------------------------- Dr Edward Reid-Smith 2 Salmon Street Wagga Wagga, NSW 2650, Australia home phone: +61 2 6921 4759 home fax: +61 2 6921 9115 email: [email protected] ------------------------------------------------------------

Ican't understand what went wrong-I did attach. I am on holiday at present-will be back next Sunday-will re-send then SORRY BUT i DON'T HAVE ACCESS TO THIS FILE AT PRESENT jANET Original Message: ----------------- From: John Devlin [email protected] Date: Sun, 7 Mar 2004 09:44:52 -0000 To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [ENG-LAN-MIDDLETON-L] Hiltons We got very excited when we saw your email about the baptism list but unfortunately there was no attachment with it. Could you possibily send it again? Thanks very much Sandy & John Devlin ----- Original Message ----- From: "Janet Foreman" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, March 06, 2004 11:40 PM Subject: Re: [ENG-LAN-MIDDLETON-L] Hiltons > I am sending John Devlin an attachment off list containing HILTON baptisms > from 1805 at St Leonards Middleton. > HILTON is connected to my MOULT line in Middleton. > as Doreen says they are a prolific lot. > Janet Foreman > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "sylvia walch" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Saturday, March 06, 2004 6:24 PM > Subject: Re: [ENG-LAN-MIDDLETON-L] Hiltons > > > > Just thought I would put another HILTON in the frame. > > > > EMERSON Marriage by banns. > > 22 August 1791 St Mary's, Prestwich > > > > Robert Emerson (didn't sign) of this parish > > to Hannah Hilton (didn't sign) of Middleton. > > Witnesses Thomas Hilton and Thomas Lees. > > > > The couple had many children baptised at St Leonard's > > Middleton. The EMERSON family lived in the Birch area > > but I have not researched Hannah Hilton's family > > as yet, so any connection would be very welcome. > > Regards > > Sylvia. > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "John Devlin" <[email protected]> > > To: <[email protected]> > > Sent: Friday, March 05, 2004 3:44 PM > > Subject: [ENG-LAN-MIDDLETON-L] Hiltons > > > > > > > We are researching our HILTON family history. > > > > > > We are doing well from 1861 onwards but are stuck going further back. > > > > > > We have a baptism on June 14, 1835 at ST LEONARDS CHURCH, MIDDLETON for > > ROBERT HILTON, father JOHN HILTON, DYER, mother ELIZABETH HILTON. > > > > > > We have bought the 1841 census on CD from Stepping Stones and have > looked > > through as much as is legible for Middleton but we cannot find them. > > > > > > We are now trying to look through the rest of the Manchester areas but > > unfortunately a lot of the pages are illegible also. > > > > > > If anyone has any ideas or can help in anyway we would be most grateful. > > > > > > Sandy & John Devlin > > > > > > > > > ==== ENG-LAN-MIDDLETON Mailing List ==== > > > http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~emmaw/ for free Web Editor software. > > > Web space. ANY amount. ANY subject. > > > RootsWeb's Freepages put you in touch with millions. > > > http://cgi.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/acctform.cgi > > > > > > > > > ==== ENG-LAN-MIDDLETON Mailing List ==== > > Please ensure the "subject" reflects the contents of your message > > http://www.vmims.com/middleton.htm > > > > > > > > ==== ENG-LAN-MIDDLETON Mailing List ==== > http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~emmaw/ for free Web Editor software. > Web space. ANY amount. ANY subject. > RootsWeb's Freepages put you in touch with millions. > http://cgi.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/acctform.cgi ==== ENG-LAN-MIDDLETON Mailing List ==== Create your own home page with Web Dwarf, a FREE HTML Editor http://www.vmims.com/dwarf.htm -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ .

Good morning Laura! No problem at this end. When I got the compensation company on-screen I thought that there might be a typo. However... Thanks again, because I'm still busy with the other addresses! It's people like you that save the rest of us from dying from sheer frustration...And then I slap my forhead and say, "Why didn't I think of that!" Cheers and gratitude, Ginger Fisher

Edward Thank you very much Sandy & John ----- Original Message ----- From: "Edward Reid-Smith" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, March 07, 2004 12:34 PM Subject: Re: [ENG-LAN-MIDDLETON-L] census look-ups > John, > > 10 Teignmouth Street was unoccupied in the 1871 census. > > cheers, > Edward > > -------------------------------------------------------------- > Dr Edward Reid-Smith > 2 Salmon Street > Wagga Wagga, NSW 2650, Australia > > home phone: +61 2 6921 4759 > home fax: +61 2 6921 9115 > email: [email protected] > ------------------------------------------------------------ > > > ==== ENG-LAN-MIDDLETON Mailing List ==== > Check out the Middleton site for up-dates http://www.vmims.com/middleton.htm >

Hi All, Recently been through lots of parish records from prestwich st. mary and found (because I'm looking for Fitton which looks very much like Hilton in the original parish records) that there really are lots of Hiltons. Also Wolstenholme was a very common name aswell - but there were not as I can remamber many other similar names to that exept Wolstencroft. Hope this helps, Laura V.