No problem, Robert. I hope you and our other members understand my reasoning behind my decision. I do also realise that the "Big Wigginers" hold a large amount of information for much of our area but Wigan as a town is too large to admit to our list. I will take this opportunity to say that if anyone needs geographical help for the Wigan MBC area you are invited to e-mail me privately as I spent nigh on 10 years working in the Planning Dept there and know the area quite well. Thnaks for your understanding. DAVE