Dear Pat I've looked back on the message board and found Joyce's respond. I don't remember seeing it before. I'll have to go through the Boydell ledgers and see what I can come up with. At a quick glance, the USA emigrant list contains a Joshua Boydell (no date) who has been coded up as a William of Pennington descendent (my line). So, I'll see if I can find his parents. That should help get the link to the Colliers etc. The 1881 census shows shows a market gardener on Aspull Common (in Pennington, Leigh) Thomas Collier (aged 51), living with his wife Mary, and their nephew Simeon Boydell (aged 20, a pavior). So, there were links. The Hurst/Mort business is funny. My great grandfather was John Mort Hurst - his father James Hurst and his mother Mary Mort, hence the middle Mort. Their farm was called Two Cops, Leigh. Mary's father was Samuel Mort, who I believe was a farmer round Worsley/Atherton/Tyldesley. So, they probably are related. My John Mort Hurst married Elizabeth Boydell, the daughter of William Boydell the iron founder. Anyway, I'll see what l can find out about the Joshua link into the line. Linda -----Original Message----- From: Pat Ash [mailto:lpash@msn.com] Sent: 30 July 2003 17:11 To: Curry, Linda Subject: Re: [(ENG-LEIGH)] Re: [(ENG-LEIGH)] Boydells Dear Linda: Sometime back I replied to an Ancestry.com posting by a Joyce Howarth regarding Boydell. She was posting in response to your query. This morning I went back and looked at that information again. Your Ancestry.com post was dated 21 May 2000. And, I think that our Boydell information may connect somehow. Joshua Boydell did emigrate with his cousins, Joshua Collier, and Joseph Collier, and Thomas Birchall in 1848. Joshua Boydell married Avis Hamlin in 1852 in Racine, Wisconsin. They had three sons, Jesse (1856), Albert (1858) and Edward (1869) Boydell. In your Ancestry.com posting you also had listed the surnames of MORT and HURST. Joshua Collier (of the above) married Alice HURST, who was the daughter of George HURST and Alice MORT Hurst. Alice HURST Collier was born Tyldesley, Lancashire. Her father, George Hurst, was born 17 August 1792 and Alice MORT Hurst was born 1793, both in Lancashire. They were married 20 November 1814, Church of England, Parish Church of Wigan. Both George and Alice MORT Hurst also emigrated to Yorkville, Racine, Wisconsin - - and are buried in Sylvania Cemetery there. There is a website titled "The Mort Family in England and America" at: http://www.lafuente.net/mort/ While I have not been able to connect Alice MORT Hurst to this family - - I am quite sure that she was related as they also came to Yorkville, Racine, Wisconsin at the same time. Joshua Collier and Thomas Birchall were associated with the Yorkville community for a goodly number of years. However, "my" Joseph Collier and Joshua Boydell struck out for other places. Joseph Collier moved to Champaign County, Illinois and Joshua Boydell moved to Chicago, Illinois. Joshua Boydell was a mason and contractor in all the various census that I have tracked him through. Interestingly, Joyce Howard who replied to your Ancestry.com post - - the HOWARTH name also became associated with the Yorkville, Racine, Wisconsin community at the same time. There is also on line a book titled Sylvania Cemetery, Yorkville Township, Racine, Wisconsin - - Exploring Family Ties at: http://www.jansdigs.com/Racine/Sylvania.html While this is a cemetery record - - it is also really a record of many who emigrated from Leigh to that area - - all at the same time period. Hope some of this may help - - and not confuse. Thanks for your help. Sincerely, Pat (Collier) Ash ----- Original Message ----- From: "Curry, Linda" <l.j.curry@bham.ac.uk> To: <lpash@msn.com> Sent: Wednesday, July 30, 2003 1:04 AM Subject: FW: [(ENG-LEIGH)] Re: [(ENG-LEIGH)] Boydells > > > > > Hi Pat, > > I'll see what I can find for you. > > Linda > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Pat Ash [mailto:lpash@msn.com] > Sent: 29 July 2003 20:55 > To: ENG-LAN-LEIGH-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: [(ENG-LEIGH)] Re: [(ENG-LEIGH)] Boydells > > > Dear Linda: > > I am looking for information about Joshua Boydell, born about 1832 in Leigh. > The information I have is that his parents were William Boydell and > Elizabeth Battersby Boydell > > He emigrated to Yorkville, Racine County, Wisconsin in 1848 with his three > cousins, Joshua Collier, Joseph Collier, and Thomas Birchall. > > There is FHL film record of parish christening for Joshua Boydell, > christened 14 December 1833 at St. Mary-the-Virgin, Leigh, Lancashire, > parents William and Elizabeth Boydell. > > My interest, and connection, is that my g-g-grandfather was Joseph Collier, > son of Peter and Betty RATLIFF Collier, also christened at 13 October 1832 > at St. Mary-the-Virgin Church, Leigh, Lancashire. > > And Joshua Boydell and Joseph Collier emigrated together. It appears that > they were the only ones from their immediate families ever to do so. Joseph > Collier made a return trip to Lancashire in 1907 just before his death - - > but little is known other than he returned to visit family. > > No one is quite certain how Joshua Boydell fits into the Collier family - - > and there appear to be no US researchers looking for him - - so I guess I am > doing so! > > Also, I just found that I can buy a used copy of the book mentioned, A Line > to Ellen - - and I am in the process of doing so. > > Any help will be appreciated > > Patricia (Pat) Ash > Seattle, Washington USA > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Curry, Linda" <l.j.curry@bham.ac.uk> > To: <ENG-LAN-LEIGH-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2003 1:20 AM > Subject: [(ENG-LEIGH)] Boydells > > > > I am a Boydell descendent from the Leigh branch of the family and, along > > with Mick Boydell from the Clifton Campville side, am trying to organise a > > Boydell get together in Grappenhall village the weekend of 20/21 > September. > > If there are any Boydells out there who have not had this message and are > > interested in attending, please let me know. > > > > I have also recently inherited a large amount of Boydell tree research. > If > > anyone wants any Boydells looking up in my data, I'll do my best to > oblige. > > > > Linda Curry > > in sunny Birmingham (UK) > > > > > > ==== ENG-LAN-LEIGH Mailing List ==== > > Our list covers the following towns: Leigh (inc. Pennington, Westleigh & > Bedford), Atherton, Tyldesley, Astley, Lowton, Golborne, Hindley, Abram, > Howe Bridge, Culcheth and Glazebury. Make sure your family members join our > list. This list is only as good as its members - please contribute > regularly. > > > > ============================== > > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, > go to: > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > > ==== ENG-LAN-LEIGH Mailing List ==== > Our list covers the following towns: Leigh (inc. Pennington, Westleigh & > Bedford), Atherton, Tyldesley, Astley, Lowton, Golborne, Hindley, Abram, > Howe Bridge, Culcheth and Glazebury. Make sure your family members join our > list. This list is only as good as its members - please contribute > regularly. > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go > to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

Whilst we are talking about MORTs, anyone any idea why my ggreat aunt Betsy ROYLE might have thought she should have benefitted from a will Of 1856 of William MORT? Hopefully yours Louise ----- Original Message ----- From: "Curry, Linda" <l.j.curry@bham.ac.uk> To: <ENG-LAN-LEIGH-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, August 01, 2003 9:16 AM Subject: [(ENG-LEIGH)] RE: [(ENG-LEIGH)] Re: [(ENG-LEIGH)] Boydells > Dear Pat > > I've looked back on the message board and found Joyce's respond. I don't > remember seeing it before. I'll have to go through the Boydell ledgers and > see what I can come up with. At a quick glance, the USA emigrant list > contains a Joshua Boydell (no date) who has been coded up as a William of > Pennington descendent (my line). So, I'll see if I can find his parents. > That should help get the link to the Colliers etc. The 1881 census shows > shows a market gardener on Aspull Common (in Pennington, Leigh) Thomas > Collier (aged 51), living with his wife Mary, and their nephew Simeon > Boydell (aged 20, a pavior). So, there were links. > > The Hurst/Mort business is funny. My great grandfather was John Mort Hurst > - his father James Hurst and his mother Mary Mort, hence the middle Mort. > Their farm was called Two Cops, Leigh. Mary's father was Samuel Mort, who I > believe was a farmer round Worsley/Atherton/Tyldesley. So, they probably > are related. My John Mort Hurst married Elizabeth Boydell, the daughter of > William Boydell the iron founder. > > Anyway, I'll see what l can find out about the Joshua link into the line. > > Linda > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Pat Ash [mailto:lpash@msn.com] > Sent: 30 July 2003 17:11 > To: Curry, Linda > Subject: Re: [(ENG-LEIGH)] Re: [(ENG-LEIGH)] Boydells > > > Dear Linda: > > Sometime back I replied to an Ancestry.com posting by a Joyce Howarth > regarding Boydell. > > She was posting in response to your query. This morning I went back and > looked at that information again. Your Ancestry.com post was dated 21 May > 2000. > > And, I think that our Boydell information may connect somehow. > > Joshua Boydell did emigrate with his cousins, Joshua Collier, and Joseph > Collier, and Thomas Birchall in 1848. Joshua Boydell married Avis Hamlin in > 1852 in Racine, Wisconsin. They had three sons, Jesse (1856), Albert (1858) > and Edward (1869) Boydell. > > In your Ancestry.com posting you also had listed the surnames of MORT and > HURST. > > Joshua Collier (of the above) married Alice HURST, who was the daughter of > George HURST and Alice MORT Hurst. Alice HURST Collier was born Tyldesley, > Lancashire. Her father, George Hurst, was born 17 August 1792 and Alice > MORT Hurst was born 1793, both in Lancashire. They were married > 20 November 1814, Church of England, Parish Church of Wigan. > > Both George and Alice MORT Hurst also emigrated to Yorkville, Racine, > Wisconsin - - and are buried in Sylvania Cemetery there. > > There is a website titled "The Mort Family in England and America" at: > http://www.lafuente.net/mort/ > > While I have not been able to connect Alice MORT Hurst to this family - - I > am quite sure that she was related as they also came to Yorkville, Racine, > Wisconsin at the same time. > > Joshua Collier and Thomas Birchall were associated with the Yorkville > community for a goodly number of years. However, "my" Joseph Collier and > Joshua Boydell struck out for other places. Joseph Collier moved to > Champaign County, Illinois and Joshua Boydell moved to Chicago, Illinois. > > Joshua Boydell was a mason and contractor in all the various census that I > have tracked him through. > > Interestingly, Joyce Howard who replied to your Ancestry.com post - - the > HOWARTH name also became associated with the Yorkville, Racine, Wisconsin > community at the same time. > > There is also on line a book titled Sylvania Cemetery, Yorkville Township, > Racine, Wisconsin - - Exploring Family Ties at: > http://www.jansdigs.com/Racine/Sylvania.html > > While this is a cemetery record - - it is also really a record of many who > emigrated from Leigh to that area - - all at the same time period. > > Hope some of this may help - - and not confuse. > > Thanks for your help. > > Sincerely, > Pat (Collier) Ash > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Curry, Linda" <l.j.curry@bham.ac.uk> > To: <lpash@msn.com> > Sent: Wednesday, July 30, 2003 1:04 AM > Subject: FW: [(ENG-LEIGH)] Re: [(ENG-LEIGH)] Boydells > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Pat, > > > > I'll see what I can find for you. > > > > Linda > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Pat Ash [mailto:lpash@msn.com] > > Sent: 29 July 2003 20:55 > > To: ENG-LAN-LEIGH-L@rootsweb.com > > Subject: [(ENG-LEIGH)] Re: [(ENG-LEIGH)] Boydells > > > > > > Dear Linda: > > > > I am looking for information about Joshua Boydell, born about 1832 in > Leigh. > > The information I have is that his parents were William Boydell and > > Elizabeth Battersby Boydell > > > > He emigrated to Yorkville, Racine County, Wisconsin in 1848 with his three > > cousins, Joshua Collier, Joseph Collier, and Thomas Birchall. > > > > There is FHL film record of parish christening for Joshua Boydell, > > christened 14 December 1833 at St. Mary-the-Virgin, Leigh, Lancashire, > > parents William and Elizabeth Boydell. > > > > My interest, and connection, is that my g-g-grandfather was Joseph > Collier, > > son of Peter and Betty RATLIFF Collier, also christened at 13 October > 1832 > > at St. Mary-the-Virgin Church, Leigh, Lancashire. > > > > And Joshua Boydell and Joseph Collier emigrated together. It appears that > > they were the only ones from their immediate families ever to do so. > Joseph > > Collier made a return trip to Lancashire in 1907 just before his death - - > > but little is known other than he returned to visit family. > > > > No one is quite certain how Joshua Boydell fits into the Collier > family - - > > and there appear to be no US researchers looking for him - - so I guess I > am > > doing so! > > > > Also, I just found that I can buy a used copy of the book mentioned, A > Line > > to Ellen - - and I am in the process of doing so. > > > > Any help will be appreciated > > > > Patricia (Pat) Ash > > Seattle, Washington USA > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Curry, Linda" <l.j.curry@bham.ac.uk> > > To: <ENG-LAN-LEIGH-L@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2003 1:20 AM > > Subject: [(ENG-LEIGH)] Boydells > > > > > > > I am a Boydell descendent from the Leigh branch of the family and, along > > > with Mick Boydell from the Clifton Campville side, am trying to organise > a > > > Boydell get together in Grappenhall village the weekend of 20/21 > > September. > > > If there are any Boydells out there who have not had this message and > are > > > interested in attending, please let me know. > > > > > > I have also recently inherited a large amount of Boydell tree research. > > If > > > anyone wants any Boydells looking up in my data, I'll do my best to > > oblige. > > > > > > Linda Curry > > > in sunny Birmingham (UK) > > > > > > > > > ==== ENG-LAN-LEIGH Mailing List ==== > > > Our list covers the following towns: Leigh (inc. Pennington, Westleigh & > > Bedford), Atherton, Tyldesley, Astley, Lowton, Golborne, Hindley, Abram, > > Howe Bridge, Culcheth and Glazebury. Make sure your family members join > our > > list. This list is only as good as its members - please contribute > > regularly. > > > > > > ============================== > > > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy > records, > > go to: > > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > > > > > > ==== ENG-LAN-LEIGH Mailing List ==== > > Our list covers the following towns: Leigh (inc. Pennington, Westleigh & > > Bedford), Atherton, Tyldesley, Astley, Lowton, Golborne, Hindley, Abram, > > Howe Bridge, Culcheth and Glazebury. Make sure your family members join > our > > list. This list is only as good as its members - please contribute > > regularly. > > > > ============================== > > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, > go > > to: > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > ==== ENG-LAN-LEIGH Mailing List ==== > Our list covers the following towns: Leigh (inc. Pennington, Westleigh & Bedford), Atherton, Tyldesley, Astley, Lowton, Golborne, Hindley, Abram, Howe Bridge, Culcheth and Glazebury. Make sure your family members join our list. This list is only as good as its members - please contribute regularly. > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >