Hi Graham, I wanted to let you know that the Wigan library did look up the 1861 census for me, but said they could not find anything.on the Thornber name. I find this very strange. I have a George Thornber born there in 1860 and later his sister Ellen Thornber was also born in Golborne in 1863. Her birth certificate says in the sub district of Lowton. Her parents were Ann and George Thornber. Its darn inconsiderate of my GGgrandparents to leave town on the year of the census, then come back again. :)). Listers please keep your eyes open on the off chance you might see this family tucked elsewhere on the 1861 or the 1871 census. Its possible they might have had connections in Blackburn or Preston. Or maybe you might have better luck than the library and find them still in Golborne. Many thanks to all those kind people on the list who took time away from their own research and responded to my request, it was appreciated. Best wishes Mike Morris Toronto Canada Ex Manchester. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Graham Leigh" <kgleigh@hotmail.com> To: <ENG-LAN-LEIGH-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, April 29, 2003 3:17 PM Subject: [(ENG-LEIGH)] Wigan History Shop Hi Mike, The familia web site http://www.familia.org.uk/main.html lists all the various local history/ library centres in the UK. The link http://www.familia.org.uk/services/england/wigan.html provides all the contact details etc. for the Wigan History Shop. According to that Web site their email address is heritage@wiganmbs.gov.uk Best Regards Graham http://mysite.freeserve.com/Leigh_Family ==== ENG-LAN-LEIGH Mailing List ==== Our list covers the following towns: Leigh (inc. Pennington, Westleigh & Bedford), Atherton, Tyldesley, Astley, Lowton, Golborne, Hindley, Abram, Howe Bridge, Culcheth and Glazebury. Make sure your family members join our list. This list is only as good as its members - please contribute regularly. ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237