Hi Dave, I'm thrilled skinny that you feel that us Keay Yeds can join in your happy throng. If I can help with anything Howfen I would be happy to help. 100 years back you would have probably come up to Howfen Wakes anyway, and there would have been a competition (or fight!) who could "porr" the best with their "clugs"..... Best wishes from Pam in Westhoughton.