Hi There Ive just confirmed that my great grandmother Ada GASKELL (nee CATTERALL) married a second time, to Peter INGRAM a carpenter. They were both from Bickershaw Lane Abram. They married in Jan 1908. Has anyone come across this family? Cheers Gill Hamilton in Southport?

Hi, Dave, That's great that you have included Westhoughton, as I can now post another of my surname interests, i.e. SEDDON. In 1881 JAMES and ANN SEDDON, born Wigan, were living on Chorley Road, Hilton House, Westhoughton, with their eldest son EDWARD (my great grandfather), also born Wigan 1855. Three other children, Sarah, John and Charles were born Westhoughton. Edward married ALICE WINSTANLEY and by the 1891 Census had moved to Walter Street, Westleigh with their eldest daughter, SARAH HANNAH (my grandmother). She married ALBERT NICHOLSON, whose parents had moved from Winstanley to Leigh in the 1870's. Albert and Sarah lived in the same house in Plank Lane for 60 years, and moved to Lowton in the 1960's. Are you sure you can't extend the list to include the pie eaters!! Best regards, Valerie > > > ==== ENG-LAN-LEIGH Mailing List ==== > Our list covers the following towns: Leigh (inc. Pennington, Westleigh & Bedford), Atherton, Tyldesley, Astley, Lowton, Golborne, Hindley, Abram, Howe Bridge, Culcheth and Glazebury. Make sure your family members join our list. This list is only as good as its members - please contribute regularly. > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >

Translate into English please Louise ----- Original Message ----- From: <Leighite@aol.com> To: <ENG-LAN-LEIGH-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, July 04, 2003 7:54 PM Subject: [(ENG-LEIGH)] Re: [(ENG-LEIGH)] Re: [(ENG-LEIGH)] Re: [(ENG-LEIGH)] Re: [(ENG-LEIGH)] Re: [(ENG-LEIGH)] Re: [(ENG-LEIGH)] Re: [... > Hey Guys, > > In reply to Valerie's offer to conduct Westhoughton communications offlist, I > (as Listowner) don't really mind the Cowyeds conducting business on this list > - I'd be loath to let the Pie Eaters in though (hehe). > > Go ahead and swap Westhoughton info if you wish, but that's probably about as > far north as we will be allowing through this list. > > Hope everyone is enjoying using the list and that we are helping to break > down walls and make new friends in the process. > > DAVE > > > ==== ENG-LAN-LEIGH Mailing List ==== > Our list covers the following towns: Leigh (inc. Pennington, Westleigh & Bedford), Atherton, Tyldesley, Astley, Lowton, Golborne, Hindley, Abram, Howe Bridge, Culcheth and Glazebury. Make sure your family members join our list. This list is only as good as its members - please contribute regularly. > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >

Hi Dave, I don't really think that we Howfeners would be cruel or daft enough to cut a cow's head off because it was stuck in the gate, and the gate cost more than the cow. The Parish Church is dedicated to St. Bartholomew. I think that as Saint Bartholomew was flayed alive and then he was beheaded, this was the basis of his patronage for tanners. I think that a story has been extracted from the above.........but I still maintain that Howfeners could 'thrash' Leigthers at Clog Fightin' !!!! All the Best to You and Your Listers... Pam in Howfen

Pam, I thought about different spellings of Cowyed/Keay Yed but kept it simple for our foreign friends (Yorkshire, etc.). BTW, has it ever been ascertained as a fact that the farmer did actually cut the head off the cow to save his brand new oak gate? Even if it hasn't it's good enough to earn your nickname. Later. DAVE

Hi Dave, I'm thrilled skinny that you feel that us Keay Yeds can join in your happy throng. If I can help with anything Howfen I would be happy to help. 100 years back you would have probably come up to Howfen Wakes anyway, and there would have been a competition (or fight!) who could "porr" the best with their "clugs"..... Best wishes from Pam in Westhoughton.

Hey Guys, In reply to Valerie's offer to conduct Westhoughton communications offlist, I (as Listowner) don't really mind the Cowyeds conducting business on this list - I'd be loath to let the Pie Eaters in though (hehe). Go ahead and swap Westhoughton info if you wish, but that's probably about as far north as we will be allowing through this list. Hope everyone is enjoying using the list and that we are helping to break down walls and make new friends in the process. DAVE

Hello again Pam, Thanks very much indeed for your kind offer of help. You may indeed be able to, as I have ancestors who lived at Hilton House, but I will e-mail you separately, as Westhoughton does not strictly fall under the remit of this mailing list. Regards, Valerie ----- Original Message ----- > > > ==== ENG-LAN-LEIGH Mailing List ==== > Our list covers the following towns: Leigh (inc. Pennington, Westleigh & Bedford), Atherton, Tyldesley, Astley, Lowton, Golborne, Hindley, Abram, Howe Bridge, Culcheth and Glazebury. Make sure your family members join our list. This list is only as good as its members - please contribute regularly. > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >

I live on the South coast and I am researching the Calland family in Leigh. A couple of my ancestors were married at Deane Parish Church and at St Peter s, Bolton Le Moors. Would SKS give me the address where these records for Bolton are held and can I apply online or by post for copies. Thanks in anticipation. Bob Howard

Hi Pam, Bolton Central Library hold local cemetery burial indexes from 1856-1998 on microfilm. I got them on loan from the Bolton Family History Society for one month for a charge of a £1 each. You can also hire a reader and micro film attachment for the same charge. Best regards, Valerie > ==== ENG-LAN-LEIGH Mailing List ==== > Our list covers the following towns: Leigh (inc. Pennington, Westleigh & Bedford), Atherton, Tyldesley, Astley, Lowton, Golborne, Hindley, Abram, Howe Bridge, Culcheth and Glazebury. Make sure your family members join our list. This list is only as good as its members - please contribute regularly. > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >

Hi Valerie, This is really good to know, thank you for this info. Wishing you the Best of Luck with your researches and as I dabble in Local History here in Westhoughton, if I can be of help to you, please just get back to me, I would be delighted to be of help. Pam Clarke, Westhoughton.

Hi Valerie There is a copy of Westhoughton M.I's in Westhoughton Library, I think Bolton Central Library may hold a copy too. Some years ago I was helping with this project for the Bolton Family History Society, and did a copy for myself, and I've found it very useful. Best Wishes, Pam Clarke. p.s. perhaps you could tell me where the Cemetery records are kept, please.

Hello Pam, You mention that you have MI's for Westhoughton - can you tell me where to obtain them? I have seen the burial records for Westhoughton Cemetery, but no MI's. Valerie Lirakis Bolton > > > ==== ENG-LAN-LEIGH Mailing List ==== > Our list covers the following towns: Leigh (inc. Pennington, Westleigh & Bedford), Atherton, Tyldesley, Astley, Lowton, Golborne, Hindley, Abram, Howe Bridge, Culcheth and Glazebury. Make sure your family members join our list. This list is only as good as its members - please contribute regularly. > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >

Hello List, This is my first time here and I would like to put forward the branch of my family who lived in the WESTHOUGHTON area. THOMAS WELCH born 1836 Brinscall, Lancashire, lived with wife ELIZABETH nee BARNES born 1839 Accrington, in 103-105 LEIGH RD., WESTHOUGHTON. Thomas operated a calico Printworks at Green Vale, Westhoughton and had offices in 33 Mosley St. Manchester. Children: ELLEN ALICE WELCH and ANNIE BARNES WELCH. They were still living there in 1901 and the company THOMAS WELCH & Co. was still listed in 1929. Would anyone have any listings e.g. MI's which may give me a lead as to their burial place? It may be the case Thomas died in 1901 in Leek, whilst visiting his daughter, ANNIE BARNES WARDLE. However, I can't find them. Any help would be very much appreciated. Regards, Robyn Clarke Australia

Hi Robyn I have the MI's for Westhoughton (although I have lent it to someone in Fleetwood) but have asked them to look it up. Also I have a bit of info on Green Vale. Bear with me and I will get back to you Pam Clarke, Westhoughton

Hello Listers, Is there anyone who has 1851 Census covering Wigan Road, Hindley, please. Here is how the family appeared on the 1861 Census: 1861 census RG 9/ 2779 Folio 62 Wigan Road Hindley Susanna Shaw Head Married age 40 Housekeeper Born Ashton Charles Shaw son Un " 17 Coal miner Hindley Thomas Shaw " " " 13 " " Hindley Ann Shaw daughter " 8 Hindley Joseph Shaw son " 5 Hindley Thomas Hunter Boarder Unm " 68 Hostler " " (Dumb) Peter Cunliffe " " 20 Coal miner Chowbent My main interest is in Thomas who could be my gt.grandfather ch.3 Oct 1847 at St.Thomas, Ancoats, Manchester. I would like to know how the family appeared in the 1851 Census. Thank you, Kind regards, Joan Powell (née MORTIMER) Researching from Australia

Dear listers, My ggggg grandmother was an Ann RICHARDSON whom I think was born abt 1767 in Atherton. She married Samuel Part who became a mill owner inTyldesley. I am just starting on the Richardson line. One of the curious things is that a number of branches of the family have used the name Richardson as a first or second name over many generations, presumably because they wish to maintain some connection with the family name. Can I assume from this that there was a Richardson family of some significance living in the Atherton/Leigh area around the end of the 1700s and beginning of the 1800s? Can anyone with local history knowledge identify a RICHARDSON family about this time? I'd love to browse some local history books, but I'm afraid that is not possible from the other side of the world. Any help or suggestions would be appreciated. Thank you Lynne Noone Near Ballarat, Victoria, Australia THERE ARE NO ATTACHMENTS WITH THIS EMAIL _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail is now available on Australian mobile phones. Go to http://ninemsn.com.au/mobilecentral/signup.asp

Hi Brian, I cannot help you with the Hampson line but I have my Grandmother Ellen Fairhurst, born 1876 in Wigan Lancashire; died 2 March 1914 in Rotherham South Yorkshire; married (1) Thomas Jackson. of Leigh, Thomas died around 1900. They had a son named William Jackson who lived in Leigh until the mid 1970's. Is Thomas a relation of your Grandmother Elizabeth Jackson? John Doxey doxjohn@optusnet.com.au ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brian Hampson" <ttibrian@hotmail.com> To: <ENG-LAN-LEIGH-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, June 24, 2003 5:48 AM Subject: [(ENG-LEIGH)] Hampson Line > My research of the Hampson line ( I believe its a common name in the Leigh area) is stalled around the 1881 Census with Thomas Hampson (b 1869 d 1906) married to Elizabeth Jackson (b 1870 d 1948). I have pretty complete tracks for these two (my grandparents). Before them is providing difficulties. Thomas was son of James Hampson whom I cannot trace and Jane Richardson (b 1840). What is surprising is that one of Thomas' siblings was named Leboth ( an unusual name to me) and she appears in the 1881 census together with Mary Ann, John, Edward James and Margaret, none of whom can I find with any certainty. Is anyone else tracking this line? > I would appreciate any help or assistance, please > > Brian Hampson, Montreal, Canada > > > ==== ENG-LAN-LEIGH Mailing List ==== > Our list covers the following towns: Leigh (inc. Pennington, Westleigh & Bedford), Atherton, Tyldesley, Astley, Lowton, Golborne, Hindley, Abram, Howe Bridge, Culcheth and Glazebury. Make sure your family members join our list. This list is only as good as its members - please contribute regularly. > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >

Hi Brian, I do not know if it was a typo, but I am sure you mean Platt Bridge. Yours, Bernie Davies. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brian Hampson" <ttibrian@hotmail.com> To: <ENG-LAN-LEIGH-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2003 6:59 PM Subject: [(ENG-LEIGH)] Re: [(ENG-LEIGH)] Re: [(ENG-LEIGH)] Hampson Line > Dear John, > > Thank you for your interesting reply. I have not yet done very much research > into the Jackson line. All I know is that Elizabeth Jackson was married to > Thomas Hampson in July 1891 in St Peters Church, Hindley. She was 20 years > of age and lived at Waltham Lane, Platt Ridge. Her father was John Jackson, > a collier and the marriage was witnessed by Harry Jackson & Mary Dawson. I > think that I recall my father speaking of his Uncle Harry so guess the > witness, Harry, was Elizabeth's brother. Anyway, I will continue the search > and if I find any connections with your Jacksons I will let you know. > > Kind regards, > > Brian > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "John Doxey" <doxjohn@optusnet.com.au> > To: <ENG-LAN-LEIGH-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2003 5:27 AM > Subject: [(ENG-LEIGH)] Re: [(ENG-LEIGH)] Hampson Line > > > > Hi Brian, > > I cannot help you with the Hampson line but I have my Grandmother Ellen > > Fairhurst, born 1876 in Wigan Lancashire; died 2 March 1914 in Rotherham > > South Yorkshire; married (1) Thomas Jackson. of Leigh, Thomas died around > > 1900. They had a son named William Jackson who lived in Leigh until the > mid > > 1970's. > > Is Thomas a relation of your Grandmother Elizabeth Jackson? > > > > John Doxey doxjohn@optusnet.com.au > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Brian Hampson" <ttibrian@hotmail.com> > > To: <ENG-LAN-LEIGH-L@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Tuesday, June 24, 2003 5:48 AM > > Subject: [(ENG-LEIGH)] Hampson Line > > > > > > > My research of the Hampson line ( I believe its a common name in the > Leigh > > area) is stalled around the 1881 Census with Thomas Hampson (b 1869 d > 1906) > > married to Elizabeth Jackson (b 1870 d 1948). I have pretty complete > tracks > > for these two (my grandparents). Before them is providing difficulties. > > Thomas was son of James Hampson whom I cannot trace and Jane Richardson (b > > 1840). What is surprising is that one of Thomas' siblings was named Leboth > > ( an unusual name to me) and she appears in the 1881 census together with > > Mary Ann, John, Edward James and Margaret, none of whom can I find with > any > > certainty. Is anyone else tracking this line? > > > I would appreciate any help or assistance, please > > > > > > Brian Hampson, Montreal, Canada > > > > > > > > > ==== ENG-LAN-LEIGH Mailing List ==== > > > Our list covers the following towns: Leigh (inc. Pennington, Westleigh & > > Bedford), Atherton, Tyldesley, Astley, Lowton, Golborne, Hindley, Abram, > > Howe Bridge, Culcheth and Glazebury. Make sure your family members join > our > > list. This list is only as good as its members - please contribute > > regularly. > > > > > > ============================== > > > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy > records, > > go to: > > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== ENG-LAN-LEIGH Mailing List ==== > > Our list covers the following towns: Leigh (inc. Pennington, Westleigh & > Bedford), Atherton, Tyldesley, Astley, Lowton, Golborne, Hindley, Abram, > Howe Bridge, Culcheth and Glazebury. Make sure your family members join our > list. This list is only as good as its members - please contribute > regularly. > > > > ============================== > > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, > go to: > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > > > > ==== ENG-LAN-LEIGH Mailing List ==== > Our list covers the following towns: Leigh (inc. Pennington, Westleigh & Bedford), Atherton, Tyldesley, Astley, Lowton, Golborne, Hindley, Abram, Howe Bridge, Culcheth and Glazebury. Make sure your family members join our list. This list is only as good as its members - please contribute regularly. > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >

Dear John, Thank you for your interesting reply. I have not yet done very much research into the Jackson line. All I know is that Elizabeth Jackson was married to Thomas Hampson in July 1891 in St Peters Church, Hindley. She was 20 years of age and lived at Waltham Lane, Platt Ridge. Her father was John Jackson, a collier and the marriage was witnessed by Harry Jackson & Mary Dawson. I think that I recall my father speaking of his Uncle Harry so guess the witness, Harry, was Elizabeth's brother. Anyway, I will continue the search and if I find any connections with your Jacksons I will let you know. Kind regards, Brian ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Doxey" <doxjohn@optusnet.com.au> To: <ENG-LAN-LEIGH-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2003 5:27 AM Subject: [(ENG-LEIGH)] Re: [(ENG-LEIGH)] Hampson Line > Hi Brian, > I cannot help you with the Hampson line but I have my Grandmother Ellen > Fairhurst, born 1876 in Wigan Lancashire; died 2 March 1914 in Rotherham > South Yorkshire; married (1) Thomas Jackson. of Leigh, Thomas died around > 1900. They had a son named William Jackson who lived in Leigh until the mid > 1970's. > Is Thomas a relation of your Grandmother Elizabeth Jackson? > > John Doxey doxjohn@optusnet.com.au > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Brian Hampson" <ttibrian@hotmail.com> > To: <ENG-LAN-LEIGH-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, June 24, 2003 5:48 AM > Subject: [(ENG-LEIGH)] Hampson Line > > > > My research of the Hampson line ( I believe its a common name in the Leigh > area) is stalled around the 1881 Census with Thomas Hampson (b 1869 d 1906) > married to Elizabeth Jackson (b 1870 d 1948). I have pretty complete tracks > for these two (my grandparents). Before them is providing difficulties. > Thomas was son of James Hampson whom I cannot trace and Jane Richardson (b > 1840). What is surprising is that one of Thomas' siblings was named Leboth > ( an unusual name to me) and she appears in the 1881 census together with > Mary Ann, John, Edward James and Margaret, none of whom can I find with any > certainty. Is anyone else tracking this line? > > I would appreciate any help or assistance, please > > > > Brian Hampson, Montreal, Canada > > > > > > ==== ENG-LAN-LEIGH Mailing List ==== > > Our list covers the following towns: Leigh (inc. Pennington, Westleigh & > Bedford), Atherton, Tyldesley, Astley, Lowton, Golborne, Hindley, Abram, > Howe Bridge, Culcheth and Glazebury. Make sure your family members join our > list. This list is only as good as its members - please contribute > regularly. > > > > ============================== > > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, > go to: > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > > > > > ==== ENG-LAN-LEIGH Mailing List ==== > Our list covers the following towns: Leigh (inc. Pennington, Westleigh & Bedford), Atherton, Tyldesley, Astley, Lowton, Golborne, Hindley, Abram, Howe Bridge, Culcheth and Glazebury. Make sure your family members join our list. This list is only as good as its members - please contribute regularly. > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >