El;len Mather (bc 1812 Lowton) married Joseph Talbot (bc 1818 Lowton) 2 Septermber 1839 at Winwick PC. They had children - William, Wilmot, Betty (m Peter Hindley), Joseph, Simeon, and Mary (m William Yates and died 1901) Ellen stated at marriage her Father's name was Thomas. As she died c 1869 she must have been born c1812. (Jospeh died in 1863 aged 45, so was bc1818 - a minor at his marriage) I do not know which Mather family unit of which Thomas was the head that Ellen belonged to. Can anyone help unravel this mystery please? Gavin Yates (seeking Yates, Bolton, Adamson in Lowton, Harrison in Golborne and Leigh) --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.490 / Virus Database: 289 - Release Date: 6/16/03

Right on Gavin, thats 3 of us at least. -------Original Message------- From: ENG-LAN-LEIGH-L@rootsweb.com Date: Sunday, July 06, 2003 21:26:33 To: ENG-LAN-LEIGH-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [(ENG-LEIGH)] Re: [(ENG-LEIGH)] Re: [(ENG-LEIGH)] Re: [(ENG-LEIGH)] Re: [(ENG-LEIGH)] Re: [(ENG-LEIGH)] Re: [(ENG-LEIGH)] Bolton Me too Bob, Gavin (NZ) ----- Original Message ----- From: "robert.howard403" <robert.howard403@ntlworld.com> To: <ENG-LAN-LEIGH-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, July 06, 2003 11:37 PM Subject: [(ENG-LEIGH)] Re: [(ENG-LEIGH)] Re: [(ENG-LEIGH)] Re: [(ENG-LEIGH)] Re: [(ENG-LEIGH)] Re: [(ENG-LEIGH)] Bolton > I would be one of your first listers on you know what Valerie. > I would still be on this one as well Dave. > > Bob Howard > > -------Original Message------- > > From: ENG-LAN-LEIGH-L@rootsweb.com > Date: Sunday, July 06, 2003 12:01:21 > To: ENG-LAN-LEIGH-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: [(ENG-LEIGH)] Re: [(ENG-LEIGH)] Re: [(ENG-LEIGH)] Re: [(ENG-LEIGH)] > Re: [(ENG-LEIGH)] Bolton > > Dave, > > I would be very interested in setting up a list for Bolton. How would I go > about it? > > Valerie > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <Leighite@aol.com> > To: <ENG-LAN-LEIGH-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Saturday, July 05, 2003 8:34 PM > Subject: [(ENG-LEIGH)] Re: [(ENG-LEIGH)] Re: [(ENG-LEIGH)] Re: [(ENG-LEIGH)] > Bolton > > > > > > > ==== ENG-LAN-LEIGH Mailing List ==== > Our list covers the following towns: Leigh (inc. Pennington, Westleigh & Bedford), Atherton, Tyldesley, Astley, Lowton, Golborne, Hindley, Abram, Howe Bridge, Culcheth and Glazebury. Make sure your family members join our list. This list is only as good as its members - please contribute regularly. > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.490 / Virus Database: 289 - Release Date: 6/16/03 ==== ENG-LAN-LEIGH Mailing List ==== Our list covers the following towns: Leigh (inc. Pennington, Westleigh & Bedford), Atherton, Tyldesley, Astley, Lowton, Golborne, Hindley, Abram, Howe Bridge, Culcheth and Glazebury. Make sure your family members join our list. This list is only as good as its members - please contribute regularly ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 .

Thanks Dave, I knew there must have been one in the vicinity. Would you happen to know when it closed? My mother lived at 140 Plank Lane - very close to Talbot Road, so I think she would have known if it had still been in existence then. Valerie ----- Original Message ----- From: David Wilkinson <david@nrdav.freeserve.co.uk> To: <ENG-LAN-LEIGH-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, July 07, 2003 12:06 PM Subject: [(ENG-LEIGH)] Re: [(ENG-LEIGH)] Re: [(ENG-LEIGH)] Canal Boat People > Hi Valerie > > Plank Lane glass works is shown on the 1893 OS map as being on the north > side of Plank Lane between Talbot Road and the canal and behind the > Britannia Inn > > Hope that helps > > David in Hertford, England > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Valerie @ ntlworld.com" <v.lirakis@ntlworld.com> > To: <ENG-LAN-LEIGH-L@rootsweb.com> >> > > > > ==== ENG-LAN-LEIGH Mailing List ==== > Our list covers the following towns: Leigh (inc. Pennington, Westleigh & Bedford), Atherton, Tyldesley, Astley, Lowton, Golborne, Hindley, Abram, Howe Bridge, Culcheth and Glazebury. Make sure your family members join our list. This list is only as good as its members - please contribute regularly. > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >

Right, Bob and Gavin - I guess that settles it then! Valerie ----- Original Message ----- From: robert.howard403 <robert.howard403@ntlworld.com> To: <ENG-LAN-LEIGH-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, July 07, 2003 8:06 PM Subject: [(ENG-LEIGH)] Re: [(ENG-LEIGH)] Re: [(ENG-LEIGH)] Re: [(ENG-LEIGH)] Re: [(ENG-LEIGH)] Re: [(ENG-LEIGH)] Re: [(ENG-LEIGH)] Re: [(ENG-LEIGH)] Bolton > Right on Gavin, thats 3 of us at least. > > -------Original Message------- > > From: ENG-LAN-LEIGH-L@rootsweb.com > Date: Sunday, July 06, 2003 21:26:33 > To: ENG-LAN-LEIGH-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: [(ENG-LEIGH)] Re: [(ENG-LEIGH)] Re: [(ENG-LEIGH)] Re: [(ENG-LEIGH)] > Re: [(ENG-LEIGH)] Re: [(ENG-LEIGH)] Re: [(ENG-LEIGH)] Bolton > > Me too Bob, Gavin (NZ) > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "robert.howard403" <robert.howard403@ntlworld.com> > To: <ENG-LAN-LEIGH-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Sunday, July 06, 2003 11:37 PM > Subject: [(ENG-LEIGH)] Re: [(ENG-LEIGH)] Re: [(ENG-LEIGH)] Re: [(ENG-LEIGH)] > Re: [(ENG-LEIGH)] Re: [(ENG-LEIGH)] Bolton > > > > I would be one of your first listers on you know what Valerie. > > I would still be on this one as well Dave. > > > > Bob Howard > > > > -------Original Message------- > > > > >

Hi Valerie Count me in too! Lots of Nuttalls in Bolton! Chris

Having been admitted to Leigh List with Dave's kind permission, please can we in Westhoughton join your list too (staying also on Dave's List of course!) Best Wishes Pam Clarke in Westhoughton

Hello List, Does any one have access to non-conformist church records in the Leigh area? I am trying to find the baptism record for my gggrandmother, JEMIMA BULLOUGH, she was born around 1813. I have not been able to find her baptism in the parish records. She married my gggrandfather, JAMES GREEN, in 1833 at Leigh Parish. Her first child was baptized at Chow Bent Chapel, Atherton, in 1832. Jemima was burried at Daisy Hill Primitive Methodist Chapel in 1855. So she seems to have been a methodist. The methodist church records seem harder to get hold of than the CofE, would appreciate any ideas or help. Thanks Pat In Ottawa

where does the "WALMSLEY" connection come from, do you know? I have ties to Golborne "WALMSLEY" ancestors! best wishes, Ian. >From: Kathy <khodson1@shaw.ca> >Reply-To: ENG-LAN-LEIGH-L@rootsweb.com >To: ENG-LAN-LEIGH-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: [(ENG-LEIGH)] SHAW of - Lowton >Date: Mon, 07 Jul 2003 02:13:01 -0700 > >Posting interest in > >William Shaw born 1 May 1794 Lowton, son of James Shaw > >William married Mary around 1825 and was found in the 1824 Liverpool >directory as a Licenced Victualler at the Commercial Tavern. > >He was also found in the 1840 Liverpool Directory as a Victualler of the >Black Horse Tavern at Old Swan. (Edge of West Derby) > >William & Mary's children were >Elizabeth Walmsley Shaw B:4 Nov 1825 >Thomas Walmsley Shaw B: 21 Sep 1828 >James Stephen Walmsley Shaw B: 8 Nov 1831 >Mary Shaw B: 25 Jul 1833 > > >William Shaw may have come from a family of Tavern Owners. >Perhaps James Shaw also owned a tavern in Lowton. >Does anyone have access to a Directory for Lowton 1794? > >Any help would be appreciated. > >Kathy Hodson >Vancouver, B.C. > > > > >==== ENG-LAN-LEIGH Mailing List ==== >Our list covers the following towns: Leigh (inc. Pennington, Westleigh & >Bedford), Atherton, Tyldesley, Astley, Lowton, Golborne, Hindley, Abram, >Howe Bridge, Culcheth and Glazebury. Make sure your family members join >our list. This list is only as good as its members - please contribute >regularly. > >============================== >To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, >go to: >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > _________________________________________________________________ On the move? Get Hotmail on your mobile phone http://www.msn.co.uk/msnmobile

Hello Dave The factory was Turner Brothers asbestos works. They also made fibre glass.I was looking through the archives of the Leigh list and noticed that you were wanting to know who lived in Leigh. Thought I would let you know that I do and if I can help anyone I will (although I am quite busy as I transcribe for Free BMD as well) Pamela ----- Original Message ----- From: <Leighite@aol.com> To: <ENG-LAN-LEIGH-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, July 07, 2003 12:50 AM Subject: [(ENG-LEIGH)] Re: [(ENG-LEIGH)] Re: [(ENG-LEIGH)] Canal Boat People > In response to the glassmaking question I remember a factory at Hindley > Green/Tamar area of Leigh. Today it is the Volex factory but I'll be damned if I > can remember the original name. > > I do remember climbing the plastic covered wire fence and robbing a few glass > baubles that we used as marbles. I want to say its name had something to do > with Hilton or something like that. This was back in the 70's. > > Hope this helps. > > DAVE > > > ==== ENG-LAN-LEIGH Mailing List ==== > Our list covers the following towns: Leigh (inc. Pennington, Westleigh & Bedford), Atherton, Tyldesley, Astley, Lowton, Golborne, Hindley, Abram, Howe Bridge, Culcheth and Glazebury. Make sure your family members join our list. This list is only as good as its members - please contribute regularly. > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > >

Hello Chris The Firs closed in the mid to late 70's- I think -due to rationalisation and a lot of money was needed to upgrade the Firs. There was a great outcry at the time but as usual the powers that be got their way and everyone had to go to Billinge Hospital where there is a large Maternity Unit. This worried a lot of Leigh people as their offsprings were pie eaters!!! There is now talk of closing Billinge and everyone going to Wigan Albert Edward!! Pamela ----- Original Message ----- From: <Chris4Nuttall@aol.com> To: <ENG-LAN-LEIGH-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, July 06, 2003 11:55 PM Subject: [(ENG-LEIGH)] Re: [(ENG-LEIGH)] Re: Plank Lane > Hi Valerie > > Saw your note about Plank Lane. I was born at the "Firs" in 1944. Do you or > your mum know when and why it closed? Is there any history of the > place in Leigh Library? > I believe houses are built there now. > > Chris > > > ==== ENG-LAN-LEIGH Mailing List ==== > Our list covers the following towns: Leigh (inc. Pennington, Westleigh & Bedford), Atherton, Tyldesley, Astley, Lowton, Golborne, Hindley, Abram, Howe Bridge, Culcheth and Glazebury. Make sure your family members join our list. This list is only as good as its members - please contribute regularly. > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > >

Hi I forgot to add that the glass works was just outside the Leigh boundary and in fact in Abram - at that point Plank Lane itself forms the boundary, only the south side being in Leigh. David in Hertford, England ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Wilkinson" <david@nrdav.freeserve.co.uk> To: <ENG-LAN-LEIGH-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, July 07, 2003 12:06 PM Subject: [(ENG-LEIGH)] Re: [(ENG-LEIGH)] Re: [(ENG-LEIGH)] Canal Boat People > Hi Valerie > > Plank Lane glass works is shown on the 1893 OS map as being on the north > side of Plank Lane between Talbot Road and the canal and behind the > Britannia Inn > > Hope that helps > > David in Hertford, England

Hi Valerie Plank Lane glass works is shown on the 1893 OS map as being on the north side of Plank Lane between Talbot Road and the canal and behind the Britannia Inn Hope that helps David in Hertford, England ----- Original Message ----- From: "Valerie @ ntlworld.com" <v.lirakis@ntlworld.com> To: <ENG-LAN-LEIGH-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, July 06, 2003 8:15 PM Subject: [(ENG-LEIGH)] Re: [(ENG-LEIGH)] Canal Boat People > > Regarding the Cundliffes, do you know where the glass works was, as I found > several glass makers living in the Plank Lane area on the 1881 census. I > asked my mother if she remembered any glass works in the area (she is 97, > and was brought up in Plank Lane) but she doesn't remember any. > > Regards, Valerie >

Hello Valerie I joined the canal boat list a while back but no joy. No sorry I dont know where the glass works was .My mother (who would be 99 if she had lived she died 5 years ago) always said they had owned the glassworks in Plank Lane but I think this was a family myth! She thought it was somewhere near the Common Lane area (your mum will know where that is) When I next go into the Library in Leigh I will look up the trade directories and see what I can find. I have found my gg grandfather in Plank Lane and his job was a glass maker,but the address was a private house and like you I have noticed a lot of glass blowers makers etc in the area in 1881. Thanks for your interest If I find anything I will let you know Pamela ----- Original Message ----- From: "Valerie @ ntlworld.com" <v.lirakis@ntlworld.com> To: <ENG-LAN-LEIGH-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, July 06, 2003 8:15 PM Subject: [(ENG-LEIGH)] Re: [(ENG-LEIGH)] Canal Boat People > Hi, Pamela, > > I have just been browsing through the various mailing lists and saw one for > canal boat people - see web site below. > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/ENG/ > > Regarding the Cundliffes, do you know where the glass works was, as I found > several glass makers living in the Plank Lane area on the 1881 census. I > asked my mother if she remembered any glass works in the area (she is 97, > and was brought up in Plank Lane) but she doesn't remember any. > > Regards, Valerie > > > > > > > ==== ENG-LAN-LEIGH Mailing List ==== > > Our list covers the following towns: Leigh (inc. Pennington, Westleigh & > Bedford), Atherton, Tyldesley, Astley, Lowton, Golborne, Hindley, Abram, > Howe Bridge, Culcheth and Glazebury. Make sure your family members join our > list. This list is only as good as its members - please contribute > regularly. > > > > ============================== > > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, > go to: > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > > > > ==== ENG-LAN-LEIGH Mailing List ==== > Our list covers the following towns: Leigh (inc. Pennington, Westleigh & Bedford), Atherton, Tyldesley, Astley, Lowton, Golborne, Hindley, Abram, Howe Bridge, Culcheth and Glazebury. Make sure your family members join our list. This list is only as good as its members - please contribute regularly. > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > >

Hi, Chris, I will certainly ask mum whether she knows anything about the Firs, although she left Leigh on her marriage in 1937, so I don't hold out too much hope. However, my aunt, her youngest sister, lived in Plank Lane until she moved to Lowton in the mid 1960's, so I will mention it when I next speak to her. Cheers, Valerie ----- Original Message ----- > > ==== ENG-LAN-LEIGH Mailing List ==== > Our list covers the following towns: Leigh (inc. Pennington, Westleigh & Bedford), Atherton, Tyldesley, Astley, Lowton, Golborne, Hindley, Abram, Howe Bridge, Culcheth and Glazebury. Make sure your family members join our list. This list is only as good as its members - please contribute regularly. > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >

Pam, That's it - Turner Bros! I guess I'm turning out to be a bit of a ruffian in my youth. Playing soccer on private land and climbing fences to rob a few marbles. I'm building quite a rap sheet here. I would be interested in finding someone who I hope is still in Leigh. If you are interested in helping please contact me offlist. DAVE

Me too Bob, Gavin (NZ) ----- Original Message ----- From: "robert.howard403" <robert.howard403@ntlworld.com> To: <ENG-LAN-LEIGH-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, July 06, 2003 11:37 PM Subject: [(ENG-LEIGH)] Re: [(ENG-LEIGH)] Re: [(ENG-LEIGH)] Re: [(ENG-LEIGH)] Re: [(ENG-LEIGH)] Re: [(ENG-LEIGH)] Bolton > I would be one of your first listers on you know what Valerie. > I would still be on this one as well Dave. > > Bob Howard > > -------Original Message------- > > From: ENG-LAN-LEIGH-L@rootsweb.com > Date: Sunday, July 06, 2003 12:01:21 > To: ENG-LAN-LEIGH-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: [(ENG-LEIGH)] Re: [(ENG-LEIGH)] Re: [(ENG-LEIGH)] Re: [(ENG-LEIGH)] > Re: [(ENG-LEIGH)] Bolton > > Dave, > > I would be very interested in setting up a list for Bolton. How would I go > about it? > > Valerie > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <Leighite@aol.com> > To: <ENG-LAN-LEIGH-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Saturday, July 05, 2003 8:34 PM > Subject: [(ENG-LEIGH)] Re: [(ENG-LEIGH)] Re: [(ENG-LEIGH)] Re: [(ENG-LEIGH)] > Bolton > > > > > > > ==== ENG-LAN-LEIGH Mailing List ==== > Our list covers the following towns: Leigh (inc. Pennington, Westleigh & Bedford), Atherton, Tyldesley, Astley, Lowton, Golborne, Hindley, Abram, Howe Bridge, Culcheth and Glazebury. Make sure your family members join our list. This list is only as good as its members - please contribute regularly. > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.490 / Virus Database: 289 - Release Date: 6/16/03

Hey Guys, Both my sister and I were born at Firs Maternity Home on Firs Lane, Leigh. She, being younger than me, was born in 1969 so it was still operative then at least. I remember playing soccer on its front grounds when a teenager, which would mean that it was still standing but closed by 1980ish. I seem to remember that it was still there while the miner's strike of '84 took place as we used its grounds as a cut through from Firs Lane to Firs Park and on to Wigan Road where I used to live. I know that I have a picture of it somewhere on this computer. If anyone is interested contact me offlist. DAVE

In a message dated 07/07/03 12:31:01 GMT Daylight Time, pamela@pamela97.fsnet.co.uk writes: << This worried a lot of Leigh people as their offsprings were pie eaters!!! >> Phew! That was close!!! Chris

Hi There Henry Newton (my great x 2 grandfather) lived in Plank Lane and is described as a "glass cutter" in 1881. Family tradition has it that he did quite well after getting the job of glazing Leigh Spinners. Interesting point you make. Where did he learn his trade? Thanks too for the site for canal boat people. THomas Davies ( another x2 great grandfather) worked on the canal boats and lived and lived by the canal in Leigh in Chapel Walk Pennington. There are other canal boat workers living in the same street. Cheers Gill Hamilton

Posting interest in William Shaw born 1 May 1794 Lowton, son of James Shaw William married Mary around 1825 and was found in the 1824 Liverpool directory as a Licenced Victualler at the Commercial Tavern. He was also found in the 1840 Liverpool Directory as a Victualler of the Black Horse Tavern at Old Swan. (Edge of West Derby) William & Mary's children were Elizabeth Walmsley Shaw B:4 Nov 1825 Thomas Walmsley Shaw B: 21 Sep 1828 James Stephen Walmsley Shaw B: 8 Nov 1831 Mary Shaw B: 25 Jul 1833 William Shaw may have come from a family of Tavern Owners. Perhaps James Shaw also owned a tavern in Lowton. Does anyone have access to a Directory for Lowton 1794? Any help would be appreciated. Kathy Hodson Vancouver, B.C.