Hi Jim If you were born in Westleigh in local dialect you are a Westleyther, to be a Cowhead in local dialect a keawyed you must have been born in westhoughton the Kaewyeds seem to be quite proud of the legend, on the A6 Road that runs through westhoughton at Wingates there is a plaque on the wall with a cows head on it and the white Lion pub used to have a painting on the wall of a farmer with a saw and a cow with its head fast in the gate also the Red Lion pub used to have a room divider made up of a farm gate a cows head and a saw. The name Pie Eater is what people from Leigh call people from Wigan, this derives from the time that the Wigan and Leigh Miners came out on strike for better pay and conditions and after the suffering brought about by the strike the Wigan miners went back to work without gaining any improvement in their pay or conditions so the Leigh miners called the Wigan miners Pie Eaters because they eat Humble Pie. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------

To all those on the list that helped me solve my "Identity Crisis" a big "THANK YOU". JIM in Ohio

Hullo again Pat, If you want to follow up the Unitarian connection suggest you contact Unitarian H.Q. e-mail address GA@unitarian.org.uk Good luck. Valerie > > > ==== ENG-LAN-LEIGH Mailing List ==== > Our list covers the following towns: Leigh (inc. Pennington, Westleigh & Bedford), Atherton, Tyldesley, Astley, Lowton, Golborne, Hindley, Abram, Howe Bridge, Culcheth and Glazebury. Make sure your family members join our list. This list is only as good as its members - please contribute regularly. > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >

everyone's at it so i'll have a go!! us lot from newton-le-willows have been called "woolly-backs" amongest others!!!! LOL! Ian. >From: Dave Redden <dredden@brockmcvey.com> >Reply-To: ENG-LAN-LEIGH-L@rootsweb.com >To: ENG-LAN-LEIGH-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: [(ENG-LEIGH)] Re: [(ENG-LEIGH)] Identity Crisis!!!! >Date: Tue, 08 Jul 2003 08:00:48 -0400 > >Jim, > >That would make her a Leyther, more specifically a Westleyther. > >A quick guide: > >Person born in: >LEIGH = Leyther >WESTHOUGHTON = Cowyed >WIGAN = Pie-eater (among other words that cannot be printed on a family >mailing list) >ATHERTON = Benter (Can someone confirm this?) >TYLDESLEY = Bonger (and this?) > >My Dad was born in Piercebridge, just outside of Darlington in the NE of >England and he was a Geordie. > >DAVE > > >==== ENG-LAN-LEIGH Mailing List ==== >Our list covers the following towns: Leigh (inc. Pennington, Westleigh & >Bedford), Atherton, Tyldesley, Astley, Lowton, Golborne, Hindley, Abram, >Howe Bridge, Culcheth and Glazebury. Make sure your family members join >our list. This list is only as good as its members - please contribute >regularly. > >============================== >To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, >go to: >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > _________________________________________________________________ It's fast, it's easy and it's free. Get MSN Messenger today! http://www.msn.co.uk/messenger

When i moved the 10 miles or so from Bolton (I`m a Bowtner,apparently) i remember a magazine called Leyth,Bent and Bongs. This catered for the areas of Leigh,Atherton and Tyldesley and regularly contained hatchet jobs on the town of wigan.At the risk of upsetting other listers,i couldn`t understand a word of it! Having lived in Leigh since 1979 i am now fully conversant in Leyth and have been conditioned with a healthy disregard for anything wiggin! Gram McGlynn ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Redden" <dredden@brockmcvey.com> To: <ENG-LAN-LEIGH-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2003 1:00 PM Subject: [(ENG-LEIGH)] Re: [(ENG-LEIGH)] Identity Crisis!!!! > Jim, > > That would make her a Leyther, more specifically a Westleyther. > > A quick guide: > > Person born in: > LEIGH = Leyther > WESTHOUGHTON = Cowyed > WIGAN = Pie-eater (among other words that cannot be printed on a family > mailing list) > ATHERTON = Benter (Can someone confirm this?) > TYLDESLEY = Bonger (and this?) > > My Dad was born in Piercebridge, just outside of Darlington in the NE of > England and he was a Geordie. > > DAVE > > > ==== ENG-LAN-LEIGH Mailing List ==== > Our list covers the following towns: Leigh (inc. Pennington, Westleigh & Bedford), Atherton, Tyldesley, Astley, Lowton, Golborne, Hindley, Abram, Howe Bridge, Culcheth and Glazebury. Make sure your family members join our list. This list is only as good as its members - please contribute regularly. > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >

Dave, This thread could go on forever, but as you have explained to our world listers, perhaps I can attempt to explain a little more. Leyther (person born in Leigh) is from the dialect, the way we say Leigh is Leyth. Cowyed (or Keawyed) is just the way we say Cow Head,here in Westhoughton, and as I am a Cowyed or these days we like to be called Howfeners (Howfen is our way of saying Westhoughton)....perhaps we have gone up-market a bit! (he-he!) Pie-eaters (Wigan folk) - got to say that our Belgian friend always makes a bee-line for the wonderful meat & potato pies made in Wigan. I hesitate to go on.....but where do "PETTY DOOR BANGERS" come from? Pam Clarke in Westhoughton Benters (Atherton folk from the area of Chowbent) yes, I agree, we need some more info. on this. Bongser (Tyldesley folk, is this from Tydesley Banks?) All I do know is that they sold wonderful BONGS Toffee!

Hi Gram, <Hi Margaret, Cowheads are from Westhoughton,Pie eaters from wigan.As you lived in Tyldesley for 5 years are you a naturalized Bongser ? Gram McGlynn> Thanks for the explanation. I suppose I was a Bongser when I lived there but as we then moved to Reddish near Stockport for 8 years and have been in Preston for 17 years I am not sure what I am really! Whatever, I consider myself a Lancashire lass as Swinton was still Lancashire in 1951. (There, that gives my age away!) Margaret North.

Hi Margaret, Cowheads are from Westhoughton,Pie eaters from wigan.As you lived in Tyldesley for 5 years are you a naturalized Bongser ? Gram McGlynn ----- Original Message ----- From: "Margaret North" <north51@supanet.com> To: <ENG-LAN-LEIGH-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2003 12:25 PM Subject: [(ENG-LEIGH)] Cowheads and Pie Eaters? > Excuse my ignorance but what particular area would a 'Cowhead' originate > from and what area a 'Pie Eater'? I lived at Tyldesley for about five years > and never heard the terms. > > Margaret North. > Preston, Lanc's. > (Born at Swinton with Bedford, West Leigh, and Pennington ancestors. > > > ==== ENG-LAN-LEIGH Mailing List ==== > Our list covers the following towns: Leigh (inc. Pennington, Westleigh & Bedford), Atherton, Tyldesley, Astley, Lowton, Golborne, Hindley, Abram, Howe Bridge, Culcheth and Glazebury. Make sure your family members join our list. This list is only as good as its members - please contribute regularly. > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >

Hello Jim,Nowhere near being a Pie eater,close to being a Cowhead but definitely a Leyther! Gram McGlynn ----- Original Message ----- From: "jabaxter" <jabaxter@eohio.net> To: <ENG-LAN-LEIGH-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2003 3:48 AM Subject: [(ENG-LEIGH)] Identity Crisis!!!! > I am hoping that knowledgeable lister can help me with my identity crisis. My Mum was born in Westleigh. Does this make me a "Cowhead" or a "Pie Eater"? I have been following recent comments by other listers who seem to know the difference and I thought that I could ask without getting a "flame job". Since I live in eastern Ohio, I must confess my ignorance in such matters. > > TIA for ALL answers to my query. > JIM > > > > ==== ENG-LAN-LEIGH Mailing List ==== > Our list covers the following towns: Leigh (inc. Pennington, Westleigh & Bedford), Atherton, Tyldesley, Astley, Lowton, Golborne, Hindley, Abram, Howe Bridge, Culcheth and Glazebury. Make sure your family members join our list. This list is only as good as its members - please contribute regularly. > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >

Excuse my ignorance but what particular area would a 'Cowhead' originate from and what area a 'Pie Eater'? I lived at Tyldesley for about five years and never heard the terms. Margaret North. Preston, Lanc's. (Born at Swinton with Bedford, West Leigh, and Pennington ancestors.

And living in Lobby Land! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Graham McGlynn" <pmnw23920@bluyonder.co.uk> To: <ENG-LAN-LEIGH-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2003 7:26 AM Subject: [(ENG-LEIGH)] Re: [(ENG-LEIGH)] Identity Crisis!!!! > Hello Jim,Nowhere near being a Pie eater,close to being a Cowhead but > definitely a Leyther! > Gram McGlynn > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "jabaxter" <jabaxter@eohio.net> > To: <ENG-LAN-LEIGH-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2003 3:48 AM > Subject: [(ENG-LEIGH)] Identity Crisis!!!! > > > > I am hoping that knowledgeable lister can help me with my identity crisis. > My Mum was born in Westleigh. Does this make me a "Cowhead" or a "Pie > Eater"? I have been following recent comments by other listers who seem to > know the difference and I thought that I could ask without getting a "flame > job". Since I live in eastern Ohio, I must confess my ignorance in such > matters. > > > > TIA for ALL answers to my query. > > JIM > > > > > > > > ==== ENG-LAN-LEIGH Mailing List ==== > > Our list covers the following towns: Leigh (inc. Pennington, Westleigh & > Bedford), Atherton, Tyldesley, Astley, Lowton, Golborne, Hindley, Abram, > Howe Bridge, Culcheth and Glazebury. Make sure your family members join our > list. This list is only as good as its members - please contribute > regularly. > > > > ============================== > > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, > go to: > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > > ==== ENG-LAN-LEIGH Mailing List ==== > Our list covers the following towns: Leigh (inc. Pennington, Westleigh & Bedford), Atherton, Tyldesley, Astley, Lowton, Golborne, Hindley, Abram, Howe Bridge, Culcheth and Glazebury. Make sure your family members join our list. This list is only as good as its members - please contribute regularly. > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >

Thanks again Val. I will certainly get in touch. Pat ----- Original Message ----- From: "Valerie @ ntlworld.com" <v.lirakis@ntlworld.com> To: <ENG-LAN-LEIGH-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2003 8:56 AM Subject: [(ENG-LEIGH)] Re: [(ENG-LEIGH)] [(ENG-LEIGH)] JEMIMA BULLOUGH(BULLOW) > Hullo again Pat, > > If you want to follow up the Unitarian connection suggest you contact > Unitarian H.Q. e-mail address GA@unitarian.org.uk > > Good luck. > Valerie > > > > > > > ==== ENG-LAN-LEIGH Mailing List ==== > > Our list covers the following towns: Leigh (inc. Pennington, Westleigh & > Bedford), Atherton, Tyldesley, Astley, Lowton, Golborne, Hindley, Abram, > Howe Bridge, Culcheth and Glazebury. Make sure your family members join our > list. This list is only as good as its members - please contribute > regularly. > > > > ============================== > > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, > go to: > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > > ==== ENG-LAN-LEIGH Mailing List ==== > Our list covers the following towns: Leigh (inc. Pennington, Westleigh & Bedford), Atherton, Tyldesley, Astley, Lowton, Golborne, Hindley, Abram, Howe Bridge, Culcheth and Glazebury. Make sure your family members join our list. This list is only as good as its members - please contribute regularly. > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >

Hi Val You are probably right, I just meant that Jemima wasn't Church of England or Catholic. I have seen the Chow Bent Chapel records, I ordered the film from my local LDS History centre. Thanks again Pat ----- Original Message ----- From: "Valerie @ ntlworld.com" <v.lirakis@ntlworld.com> To: <ENG-LAN-LEIGH-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2003 5:13 AM Subject: [(ENG-LEIGH)] Re: [(ENG-LEIGH)] [(ENG-LEIGH)] JEMIMA BULLOUGH(BULLOW) > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Valerie @ ntlworld.com <v.lirakis@ntlworld.com> > To: <ENG-LAN-LEIGH-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2003 9:53 AM > Subject: Re: [(ENG-LEIGH)] [(ENG-LEIGH)] JEMIMA BULLOUGH(BULLOW) > > > > Hi, Pat, > > > > Correct me if I'm wrong anyone, but I am fairly sure that Chow Bent Chapel > > is Unitarian, not Methodist. I too am searching for Unitarian records, > > which I believe are held in Edinburgh. Bear with me and I will come back > to you as soon as I find > > out anything. > > > > Regards, Valerie > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > ==== ENG-LAN-LEIGH Mailing List ==== > > Our list covers the following towns: Leigh (inc. Pennington, Westleigh & > Bedford), Atherton, Tyldesley, Astley, Lowton, Golborne, Hindley, Abram, > Howe Bridge, Culcheth and Glazebury. Make sure your family members join our > list. This list is only as good as its members - please contribute > regularly. > > > > ============================== > > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, > go to: > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > > ==== ENG-LAN-LEIGH Mailing List ==== > Our list covers the following towns: Leigh (inc. Pennington, Westleigh & Bedford), Atherton, Tyldesley, Astley, Lowton, Golborne, Hindley, Abram, Howe Bridge, Culcheth and Glazebury. Make sure your family members join our list. This list is only as good as its members - please contribute regularly. > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >

----- Original Message ----- From: Valerie @ ntlworld.com <v.lirakis@ntlworld.com> To: <ENG-LAN-LEIGH-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2003 9:53 AM Subject: Re: [(ENG-LEIGH)] [(ENG-LEIGH)] JEMIMA BULLOUGH(BULLOW) > Hi, Pat, > > Correct me if I'm wrong anyone, but I am fairly sure that Chow Bent Chapel > is Unitarian, not Methodist. I too am searching for Unitarian records, > which I believe are held in Edinburgh. Bear with me and I will come back to you as soon as I find > out anything. > > Regards, Valerie ----- Original Message ----- > > > ==== ENG-LAN-LEIGH Mailing List ==== > Our list covers the following towns: Leigh (inc. Pennington, Westleigh & Bedford), Atherton, Tyldesley, Astley, Lowton, Golborne, Hindley, Abram, Howe Bridge, Culcheth and Glazebury. Make sure your family members join our list. This list is only as good as its members - please contribute regularly. > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >

Great Valerie - and thanks. Have my first Bolton brickwalls all lined upready to press the button! Gavin Butterworth Yates (NZ) (after Butterworths and Walker in you know where) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Valerie @ ntlworld.com" <v.lirakis@ntlworld.com> To: <ENG-LAN-LEIGH-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2003 6:32 AM Subject: [(ENG-LEIGH)] Re: [(ENG-LEIGH)] Re: [(ENG-LEIGH)] Re: [(ENG-LEIGH)] Re: [(ENG-LEIGH)] Re: [(ENG-LEIGH)] Re: [(ENG-LEIGH)] Re: [(ENG-LEIGH)] Re: [(ENG-LEIGH)] Bolton > Right, Bob and Gavin - I guess that settles it then! > > Valerie > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: robert.howard403 <robert.howard403@ntlworld.com> > To: <ENG-LAN-LEIGH-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, July 07, 2003 8:06 PM > Subject: [(ENG-LEIGH)] Re: [(ENG-LEIGH)] Re: [(ENG-LEIGH)] Re: [(ENG-LEIGH)] > Re: [(ENG-LEIGH)] Re: [(ENG-LEIGH)] Re: [(ENG-LEIGH)] Re: [(ENG-LEIGH)] > Bolton > > > > Right on Gavin, thats 3 of us at least. > > > > -------Original Message------- > > > > From: ENG-LAN-LEIGH-L@rootsweb.com > > Date: Sunday, July 06, 2003 21:26:33 > > To: ENG-LAN-LEIGH-L@rootsweb.com > > Subject: [(ENG-LEIGH)] Re: [(ENG-LEIGH)] Re: [(ENG-LEIGH)] Re: > [(ENG-LEIGH)] > > Re: [(ENG-LEIGH)] Re: [(ENG-LEIGH)] Re: [(ENG-LEIGH)] Bolton > > > > Me too Bob, Gavin (NZ) > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "robert.howard403" <robert.howard403@ntlworld.com> > > To: <ENG-LAN-LEIGH-L@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Sunday, July 06, 2003 11:37 PM > > Subject: [(ENG-LEIGH)] Re: [(ENG-LEIGH)] Re: [(ENG-LEIGH)] Re: > [(ENG-LEIGH)] > > Re: [(ENG-LEIGH)] Re: [(ENG-LEIGH)] Bolton > > > > > > > I would be one of your first listers on you know what Valerie. > > > I would still be on this one as well Dave. > > > > > > Bob Howard > > > > > > -------Original Message------- > > > > > > > > > > ==== ENG-LAN-LEIGH Mailing List ==== > Our list covers the following towns: Leigh (inc. Pennington, Westleigh & Bedford), Atherton, Tyldesley, Astley, Lowton, Golborne, Hindley, Abram, Howe Bridge, Culcheth and Glazebury. Make sure your family members join our list. This list is only as good as its members - please contribute regularly. > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.490 / Virus Database: 289 - Release Date: 6/16/03

Jim, That would make her a Leyther, more specifically a Westleyther. A quick guide: Person born in: LEIGH = Leyther WESTHOUGHTON = Cowyed WIGAN = Pie-eater (among other words that cannot be printed on a family mailing list) ATHERTON = Benter (Can someone confirm this?) TYLDESLEY = Bonger (and this?) My Dad was born in Piercebridge, just outside of Darlington in the NE of England and he was a Geordie. DAVE

I am hoping that knowledgeable lister can help me with my identity crisis. My Mum was born in Westleigh. Does this make me a "Cowhead" or a "Pie Eater"? I have been following recent comments by other listers who seem to know the difference and I thought that I could ask without getting a "flame job". Since I live in eastern Ohio, I must confess my ignorance in such matters. TIA for ALL answers to my query. JIM

Hi List: Looking for relies of my Joseph HEATON b 5 December 1841 in Sutton but mostly found in Lowton,his wife Mary CLARKSON b 5 May 1851. Joseph's parents were Thomas HEATON AND Mary BENNETT both born c1811 and Mary's(CLARKSON's) parents were Ellen CLARKSON nee KAY ( I believe) c1807and Henry DICKINSON c1799 all from around the Lowton,Pennington area. I have most of Joseph's siblings and Thomas and Mary's marriage but Ellen KAY is an enigma to me! Dave --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.496 / Virus Database: 295 - Release Date: 03/07/03

Hi Valerie No, sorry I don't know when it closed. David ----- Original Message ----- From: "Valerie @ ntlworld.com" <v.lirakis@ntlworld.com> To: <ENG-LAN-LEIGH-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, July 07, 2003 7:47 PM Subject: [(ENG-LEIGH)] Re: [(ENG-LEIGH)] Re: [(ENG-LEIGH)] Re: [(ENG-LEIGH)] Plank Lane Glass Works > Thanks Dave, > > I knew there must have been one in the vicinity. Would you happen to know > when it closed? My mother lived at 140 Plank Lane - very close to Talbot > Road, so I think she would have known if it had still been in existence > then. > > Valerie