Hi there I am new to the list and searching for any information on the names Vallance and Winder. James Vallance and his wife Mary Winder (married 19/2/1792, Leigh) are said to have moved to Barnsley, Yorkshire, via Nottingham and Worksop. They had a son named John Vallance, christened 1794, Leigh, Lancashire and another child James was born in Nottingham. Any help would be appreciated. Annette Taylor Melbourne

Hannah Bertha Harrison married Patrick O'Neill of Trafalgar St c1900 - I believe they may have had a pub in Plank Lane later. Rosehannah (Rose/Rosetta) Harrison married Alfred Wilkinson a miner c 1900 - they lived in Trafalgar Street originally then Pennington Rd where descendants may have lived uintil the 1980s. Has anyone connections with either of these, or any further info? Gavin Harrison Yates, in Christchurch, New Zealand. --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.534 / Virus Database: 329 - Release Date: 10/31/03

Hi List, I received my great grandfathers birth certificate this morning. I thought it would be the answer to my problems but it has seemed to throw up more confusion. My g grandfather was Matthew Smith born 14 November 1850 at Tyldesley. His parents are listed as Richard Smith a collier & Ruth Smith formerly Johnson. I have managed to find Matthew, his wife & children on the 1881 census, they were living at 9 Clegg Street, Tyldesley. I have been unable to find Richard & Ruth on the 1881 census, but it could be that they had died by this time. I have looked on BMD for a marriage of Richard & Ruth and have been unable to find anything. If some kind person has access to the 1861/1871 census could they possibly look up this family for me. I would also be interested in other siblings of the family. Fingers crossed Jacqui

Could someone who has the 1841 census check for a family for me in Tyldesley? James Eckersley, may be about age 31 with a son, John Eckersley, age about 7 or 8, supposed to have been born in Tyldesley according to the 1881 census That is all I know of the family at this point, and the father James may be the one who died in 1847, aged 37 per FreeBMD. Alternatively, if someone has the 1851 census or index, could you check for a John Eckersley, aged about 17/18 in Tyldesley? And any others that he might be living with... Sorry, I don't know more details of John's family; that's why I need the census look-ups! Any help would be most appreciated! Sue Clement Fall River, Massachusetts, USA Tyldesley names: ECKERSLEY, LOWE, Roach, Curwen, Himsworth Bolton names: ROGERS, Nethercott, Delanty Preston names: TURNER, SHAW

My Interests Surnames from parents PLIMMER Pre 1800 Shrewsbury, Salop. Post 1800 Pennington, Bedford, Leigh, Hindley, Wigan, Tyldesley, Atherton, Swinton, Worsley, Barton Upon Irwell, Old Swan, Tue Brook, West Derby, Toxteth Park, Sefton Park, Princes Park, Huyton, Liverpool, Haslingden, Newton In Makerfield, Maghull, Blackpool, Blackburn, Ormskirk, Lancashire. (I think that’s them all covered!) LANE Pre 1881 Stillington, Brafferton, Husthwaite, Marton Cum Moxby, Raskelf, North Yorks. Post 1881 Earlestown, Newton In Makerfield, Lancashire. Surnames from Grandparents ALDRIDGE Toxteth Park, Liverpool, Lancashire. JONES Pre 1901(?) Wrexham, North Wales. Post 1901 Warrington, Wargrave, Earlestown, Newton In Makerfield, Lancashire. Surnames from Great Grandparents SWIFT Ormskirk, Halsall, West Derby, Lancashire BURNETT Toxteth Park, Liverpool, Lancashire (originally from Scotland). OGDEN Earlestown, Newton In Makerfield, Lancashire (some parts of Cheshire). NAYLOR Up Holland, Ashton In Makerfield, Newton In Makerfield, Lancashire. Additional surnames from Great Great Grandparents LEIGH Pennington, Leigh, Lancashire. BLUNDELL Halsall, Lancashire. KNOX Toxteth Park, Liverpool, Lancashire. HOWARD Liverpool, Lancashire. HOLT Agden, High Legh, Lymm, Cheshire Newton In Makerfield, Lancashire HOUGHTON Earlestown, Newton In Makerfield, Lancashire. VAUGHAN Rhosnessney, Wrexham, North Wales. NAYLOR (as above) Best wishes, Ian. --------------------------------- Want to chat instantly with your online friends? Get the FREE Yahoo!Messenger

Hi Sue, You can get the information yourself on the free BMD, but here goes. John Eckersley Leigh 8c 228 June QTR. 1867 Click on the page number (228 ) and the whole registration page will appear, with Ann Lowe on that page with the same registration. Also the deaths: John Eckersley 55 8c 221 March 1890 With Ann there are two to choose from: Ann Eckersley 62 Leigh 8c 247 June 1891 Ann Eckersley 85 8c 191 March 1900 Hope this helps. Yours, Bernie Davies, Ottawa, Canada. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sue Clement" <sneirish@comcast.net> To: <ENG-LAN-LEIGH-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, October 20, 2003 1:48 PM Subject: [(ENG-LEIGH)] ECKERSLEY family in Tyldesley > I am new to this list and would like to know if anyone is researching the > ECKERSLEY family in the Tyldesley area. > > My earliest known is my gg-gf: > John ECKERSLEY , b abt 1834 in Tyldesley, based on info in the census. He > died between 1881 and 1891, and was a Coal Miner, living at 7 Ashwell St. in > 1881 census. > m. Leigh district June qtr 1867 to Ann LOWE, b. abt 1836 in Clifton, may > have died 1898. I don't know if Lowe was a birth name or previous marriage > name. However, she was the mother of twin girls, Mary Jane and Betsy Ann > Lowe, b. 1862 in Warrington district. They lived with the Eckersley family > in 1881, listed as daughters. In 1891 census Ann, widow, was living at 8 > Market St., Tyldesley. She may have died as Ann Eckersley, age 62, Wigan > district, March qtr 1897. > Children: > Mary Jane LOWE, b. 1862, m. abt 1890 Thomas Armstrong > Betsy Ann LOWE, b. 1862 > James ECKERSLEY , b. abt 1868 Tyldesley, living in Tyldesley with mother in > 1891, no further record. > Jane ECKERSLEY , b. 1873 Tyldesley, m. 1890 Tyldesley David Roach, b. abt > 1869 Tyldesley > Children, Roach: Annie, John, Margaret, Joseph, Catheine, David. > Catherine "Kitty" married ___Curwen. > John ECKERSLEY (my g-gf), b. 1875 Tyldesley, m. abt 1895 Margaret TURNER > from Preston. The family immigrated to Fall River, Massachusetts, USA in > 1913, where both John and Margaret died. > Children: Elizabeth, Ivy Annie, Alice, John Thomas, Thomas John, Ellen. > (all to Fall River) > > I would like to be able to identify John Sr.'s parents, as well as determine > Ann's birth surname, if LOWE or not. I do not yet have their marriage record > info. Any help would be appreciated. If anyone can identify or connect to > this family, I would be most delighted to share info. > > Sue Clement > Fall River, Massachusetts, USA > Tyldesley names: ECKERSLEY, Lowe, Roach, Curwen, Himsworth > Bolton names: ROGERS, Nethercott, Delahanty > Preston names: TURNER, Shaw > > > > ==== ENG-LAN-LEIGH Mailing List ==== > Our list covers the following towns: Leigh (inc. Pennington, Westleigh & Bedford), Atherton, Tyldesley, Astley, Lowton, Golborne, Hindley, Abram, Howe Bridge, Culcheth and Glazebury. Make sure your family members join our list. This list is only as good as its members - please contribute regularly. > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >

I am new to this list and would like to know if anyone is researching the ECKERSLEY family in the Tyldesley area. My earliest known is my gg-gf: John ECKERSLEY , b abt 1834 in Tyldesley, based on info in the census. He died between 1881 and 1891, and was a Coal Miner, living at 7 Ashwell St. in 1881 census. m. Leigh district June qtr 1867 to Ann LOWE, b. abt 1836 in Clifton, may have died 1898. I don't know if Lowe was a birth name or previous marriage name. However, she was the mother of twin girls, Mary Jane and Betsy Ann Lowe, b. 1862 in Warrington district. They lived with the Eckersley family in 1881, listed as daughters. In 1891 census Ann, widow, was living at 8 Market St., Tyldesley. She may have died as Ann Eckersley, age 62, Wigan district, March qtr 1897. Children: Mary Jane LOWE, b. 1862, m. abt 1890 Thomas Armstrong Betsy Ann LOWE, b. 1862 James ECKERSLEY , b. abt 1868 Tyldesley, living in Tyldesley with mother in 1891, no further record. Jane ECKERSLEY , b. 1873 Tyldesley, m. 1890 Tyldesley David Roach, b. abt 1869 Tyldesley Children, Roach: Annie, John, Margaret, Joseph, Catheine, David. Catherine "Kitty" married ___Curwen. John ECKERSLEY (my g-gf), b. 1875 Tyldesley, m. abt 1895 Margaret TURNER from Preston. The family immigrated to Fall River, Massachusetts, USA in 1913, where both John and Margaret died. Children: Elizabeth, Ivy Annie, Alice, John Thomas, Thomas John, Ellen. (all to Fall River) I would like to be able to identify John Sr.'s parents, as well as determine Ann's birth surname, if LOWE or not. I do not yet have their marriage record info. Any help would be appreciated. If anyone can identify or connect to this family, I would be most delighted to share info. Sue Clement Fall River, Massachusetts, USA Tyldesley names: ECKERSLEY, Lowe, Roach, Curwen, Himsworth Bolton names: ROGERS, Nethercott, Delahanty Preston names: TURNER, Shaw

sorry guys this bounced back. i didn't realise yahoo had sent it as an attachment! Thanks to Celia (warrington list) who surely must qualify for a platinum member status! To all the others who advised me about the 1881 census script, you were right all along (**) thanks to you to! This could be John HOUGHTON lodging with some of his family R12/3069 Folio:105 St Johns Parish 33 Earle Street, Earlestown Margaret HOUGHTON Head Widow 50? Greengrocer b. Warrington George HOUGHTON Son M 22? Labourer b. Wargrave, Lancs Mary HOUGHTON Dau/L M 20 b. Lowton, Lancs Samuel HOUGHTON Son 17 Carter b. Wargrave, Lancs William HOUGHTON Son 16 Iron Founder (Apprentice) b. Wargrave, Lancs Caroline HOUGHTON Dau 2 Scholar b. Wargrave, Lancs **John HOUGHTON Bro in Law M 41 Iron Moulder b. Wargrave, Lancs** Robert H HUGHES Grandson 6 Scholar b. Earlestown, Lancs Best wishes, Ian. --------------------------------- Want to chat instantly with your online friends? Get the FREE Yahoo!Messenger

Hi strangers! Long time no mail. Found this on teletext family history pages and wondered if any of our lot could help this guy out! “Seek GLOVER, HORROCKS and WOODWARD families resident in Atherton, Daisy Hill and Westhoughton areas. Keith GLOVER 0151 489 2548.” Please don’t reply to me. Many thanks! Ian. --------------------------------- Want to chat instantly with your online friends? Get the FREE Yahoo!Messenger

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Hi My name is Jan and I would like to list the names I am researching. FRANCE from Leigh, Westleigh GRADY from Leigh, Wigan CARNEY from Leigh, Westleigh TICKLE from Leigh, Westleigh RAMSDEN from Leigh, Bolton I have John France (born 1795) married Alice Ramsden (born about 1792)in 1818, Alice died in 1835. John France married Esther Tickle(born about 1811) in 1840 and they had one child Peter France born 1841. Peter France married Catherine Carney (born about 1843 probably in Ireland) in 1861,their eldest child was Margaret who was born in 1864. Margaret France married John Grady (born in 1862) in 1881. I would be very interested to hear from anyone who might have any connection with any of the above families. Jan in Australia

Jan Valerie told you that there may be a person on the list photographing graves at St George's in Tyldesley, I'm not sure if Valerie is thinking of me or if there is another person doing a similar thing in the Tyldesley area. I am going through the burial records at Tyldesley cemetery from 1878 to 1953, creating a searchable database, also in connection with this, if someone wants me to check a specific grave for a headstone I am willing to call in and send photographs of any I find. As for Tyldesley St George's, yes the church is still there and graveyard also, only due to the burial register not quoting a grave reference the graves are not easy to find. However I've been in Leigh library today and found the burial record for Henry Sherwood of Woodfield, Atherton, buried 19 January 1876 aged 70 years. Not come across Woodfield before. I also had a look around St George's today and the only Isherwood grave I could find was for a John and James Isherwood, I'll send photographs separately. Hope this is of some help, let us know if you require anything else. Keith

I am trying to find information about my grandmother Mary Elizabeth Curren and her family.(I think she was known as Lizzie) The only info I have found is that her fathers name was George. She lived on Anderton Street, Spring Street and Back Scholes, Wigan and she was a Catholic. She was born 1889/90 in Tyldesley according to the 1901 census and lived at 19 Bank Street, Golborne. I can 't find her in the 1891 census or on the St. Catherine's Index. I have applied to Wigan for her birth Certificate but no luck there either. She had a daughter Lucy Curren before she married Thomas Fairhurst my grandfather in 1918 at the Parish Church, Ince In Makerfield and had 3 other children John born 1919, Annie born 1920 and Jessie born 1924. After Thomas Faihurst died she married John Thomas Greenall. If anybody can help or suggest where I could look next it would be much appreciated.

Jan and everyone on the Leigh List, Please ignore my previous e-mail on this subject - had another of my over-60's moments!! Didn't notice it was addressed to the Leigh List. Valerie ----- Original Message ----- From: Jan Dollar <niven.dollar@blueyonder.co.uk> To: <ENG-LAN-LEIGH-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, September 30, 2003 2:42 PM Subject: [(ENG-LEIGH)] Henry Isherwood > I have recently got obituaries from the Leigh Journal & Chronicle for my 2 > X Great Grandfather Henry Isherwood who died in Leigh in 1876.It says that > he was buried in the "family grave" at St George's Tyldesley.Please can > anyone tell me if this church & churchyard still exist and if there are any > lists of monumental Inscriptions available? > Thanks > Jan > Bo'ness > Scotland. > > > ==== ENG-LAN-LEIGH Mailing List ==== > Our list covers the following towns: Leigh (inc. Pennington, Westleigh & Bedford), Atherton, Tyldesley, Astley, Lowton, Golborne, Hindley, Abram, Howe Bridge, Culcheth and Glazebury. Make sure your family members join our list. This list is only as good as its members - please contribute regularly. > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >

Jan, Are you on the Leigh list? There is a lister on that who has been photographing graves at (I think) St. George's. If you are not on this list, I could put out a request for you. Valerie ----- Original Message ----- From: Jan Dollar <niven.dollar@blueyonder.co.uk> To: <ENG-LAN-LEIGH-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, September 30, 2003 2:42 PM Subject: [(ENG-LEIGH)] Henry Isherwood > I have recently got obituaries from the Leigh Journal & Chronicle for my 2 > X Great Grandfather Henry Isherwood who died in Leigh in 1876.It says that > he was buried in the "family grave" at St George's Tyldesley.Please can > anyone tell me if this church & churchyard still exist and if there are any > lists of monumental Inscriptions available? > Thanks > Jan > Bo'ness > Scotland. > > > ==== ENG-LAN-LEIGH Mailing List ==== > Our list covers the following towns: Leigh (inc. Pennington, Westleigh & Bedford), Atherton, Tyldesley, Astley, Lowton, Golborne, Hindley, Abram, Howe Bridge, Culcheth and Glazebury. Make sure your family members join our list. This list is only as good as its members - please contribute regularly. > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >

I have recently got obituaries from the Leigh Journal & Chronicle for my 2 X Great Grandfather Henry Isherwood who died in Leigh in 1876.It says that he was buried in the "family grave" at St George's Tyldesley.Please can anyone tell me if this church & churchyard still exist and if there are any lists of monumental Inscriptions available? Thanks Jan Bo'ness Scotland.

Hi Jan, I have Ann Carney and William Mcmahon's marriage certificate and it states that Ann's father was Daniel Carney, deceased. I know that William was born in Ireland but not sure about Ann. Could be connected somewhere I suppose. Please keep me posted if you find anything more. Regards... Pat ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jan Seiver" <stephen.seiver@hunterlink.net.au> To: <ENG-LAN-LEIGH-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2003 3:51 AM Subject: [(ENG-LEIGH)] RE: CARNEY > Hi Pat > > I have a Catherine Carney born about 1843 who married Peter France in 1861 > at Tyldesley Chapel in Leigh and she says on the marriage certificate that > her father's name was Edward and he is deceased. > > I wonder if your Ann Carney could be a sister of my Catherine, I think my > Catherine's mother is Mary (as I found both Peter and Catherine living with > Mary on the 1861 census) and they (Mary and Catherine) were born in Ireland > (that tells us a lot). > > We also have to look under both spellings of CARNEY, KEARNEY which makes it > even harder. > > Maybe we are doing the same family. > > Jan in Newcastle NSW Australia > > > > > ==== ENG-LAN-LEIGH Mailing List ==== > Our list covers the following towns: Leigh (inc. Pennington, Westleigh & Bedford), Atherton, Tyldesley, Astley, Lowton, Golborne, Hindley, Abram, Howe Bridge, Culcheth and Glazebury. Make sure your family members join our list. This list is only as good as its members - please contribute regularly. > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >

Hi Pat I have a Catherine Carney born about 1843 who married Peter France in 1861 at Tyldesley Chapel in Leigh and she says on the marriage certificate that her father's name was Edward and he is deceased. I wonder if your Ann Carney could be a sister of my Catherine, I think my Catherine's mother is Mary (as I found both Peter and Catherine living with Mary on the 1861 census) and they (Mary and Catherine) were born in Ireland (that tells us a lot). We also have to look under both spellings of CARNEY, KEARNEY which makes it even harder. Maybe we are doing the same family. Jan in Newcastle NSW Australia

My name is Jan and I live in Australia and I would like to list the surnames I am researching. FRANCE GRADY CARNEY All from around the Westleigh, Leigh and Wigan areas. Thank you Jan