Mike, If you will read the messages that you are referring to you will notice that the Listowner has commented on them already. You do not need worry about your being unsubbed. People can only unsub by sending an e-mail to ENG-LAN-LEIGH-L-request@rootsweb.com with the word Unsubscribe in the subject line. The Listowner (me) is subscribed under two different e-mail addresses, one from home and one from work. I can monitor the listing easily using this method. I hope that people don't get confused and think that there are multiple owners. The reason taht your address has been included id because people just reply to a message and hit send without weeding out the original message. Again, worry ye not and keep doing what you're doing. DAVE

Would the List owner care to comment on the recent batch of unsubscribe messages sent to the List, which has twice included my e-mail address? At the moment I have no intention of unsubscribing. Kind regards, Mike Morris Toronto Canada

To all those kind people who suggested I contact the library in Wigan for census information on Golborne. What a great suggestion, you have my thanks and appreciation. The library did two searches for me, they could not find my family on the first search, then based on another letter I sent to them, they had another look only to find my family was misfiled, the name was spelt wrong in their records. They came back with the census information on my family. I have nothing but praise for Christine Watts at the library for her detective work and persistence. Kind regards Mike Morris Toronto Canada

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I thought on receipt of this message that I had incurred someone's displeasure, and I was being invited to unsubscribe. Glad to know that others received the same message! Peter Latham ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Morris" <morrisind@rogers.com> To: <ENG-LAN-LEIGH-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, May 12, 2003 11:36 PM Subject: [(ENG-LEIGH)] Re: [(ENG-LEIGH)] Re: ENG-LAN-LEIGH-D Digest V03 #85 > I hope you don't think that Mike Morris wants to unsubscribe? > > I wonder why my address was shown in this e-mail letter? Although they did > not get the address correct. > > Mike Morris > Toronto Canada > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "duke01" <duke01@canada.com> > To: <ENG-LAN-LEIGH-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, May 12, 2003 5:38 PM > Subject: [(ENG-LEIGH)] Re: ENG-LAN-LEIGH-D Digest V03 #85 > > > UNSUBSCRIBE > > > > > ENG-LAN-LEIGH-D Digest Volume 03 : Issue 85 > > > > Today's Topics: > > #1 [(ENG-LEIGH)] [(ENG-LEIGH)] Wigan ["Mike > > Morris" <morrisind@rogers.co] > > > > Administrivia: > > To unsubscribe from ENG-LAN-LEIGH-D, send a message to > > > > ENG-LAN-LEIGH-D-request@rootsweb.com > > > > that contains in the body of the message the command > > > > unsubscribe > > > > and no other text. No subject line is necessary, but > > if your software > > requires one, just use unsubscribe in the subject, > too. > > > > To contact the ENG-LAN-LEIGH-D list administrator, > send > > mail to > > ENG-LAN-LEIGH-admin@rootsweb.com. > > > > ______________________________ > > Have a nice day, > Ray M. Lyons > > > ==== ENG-LAN-LEIGH Mailing List ==== > Our list covers the following towns: Leigh (inc. Pennington, Westleigh & > Bedford), Atherton, Tyldesley, Astley, Lowton, Golborne, Hindley, Abram, > Howe Bridge, Culcheth and Glazebury. Make sure your family members join our > list. This list is only as good as its members - please contribute > regularly. > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go > to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > ==== ENG-LAN-LEIGH Mailing List ==== > Our list covers the following towns: Leigh (inc. Pennington, Westleigh & Bedford), Atherton, Tyldesley, Astley, Lowton, Golborne, Hindley, Abram, Howe Bridge, Culcheth and Glazebury. Make sure your family members join our list. This list is only as good as its members - please contribute regularly. > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >

Hi Gang, Sorry to have been away for so long. I had my job "downsized" and ended up having to move into cheaper accomodation. I hope Mr Bush takes a look at the American economy now that he's won his little fracas in the Middle East! A quick note about the unsubscribe problems. With this person wanting to unsubscribe we will have had three people leave since our group's inception a little over a year ago. Not bad really, except that all three have tried to unsubscribe incorrectly. To unsub you should e-mail ENG-LAN-LEIGH-L-REQUEST@rootsweb.com with a subject line of Unsubscribe (or ENG-LAN-LEIGH-D-REQUEST@rootsweb for Digest mode). Doing it that way ensures your e-mail address deletion. Sending a message to the list does NOT guarantee unsubscription. Hopefully, we will be settled in our new place soon and I can return to participation instead of just managing the list. Keep it going guys, this list is better than I ever hoped for when creating it. Glad to see so many people getting invaluable help from our other list members. DAVE

Hi Mike , I have had first hand experience of the Wigan History Shop so tend to believe it if they say your ancestors were not there ON THE NIGHT of the census. Of course this does not mean they did not live where you believe they did, they may just have been away on that one night. The other evidence you have seems to suggest they did live in the area. Regards G ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Morris" <morrisind@rogers.com> To: <ENG-LAN-LEIGH-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, May 11, 2003 11:13 PM Subject: [(ENG-LEIGH)] [(ENG-LEIGH)] Wigan History Shop > > > Hi Graham, > I wanted to let you know that the Wigan library did look up the 1861 census > for me, but said they could not find anything.on the Thornber name. I find > this very strange. I have a George Thornber born there in 1860 and later his > sister Ellen Thornber was also born in Golborne in 1863. Her birth > certificate says in the sub district of Lowton. Her parents were Ann and > George Thornber. > > Its darn inconsiderate of my GGgrandparents to leave town on the year of the > census, then come back again. :)). > > Listers please keep your eyes open on the off chance you might see this > family tucked elsewhere on the 1861 or the 1871 census. Its possible they > might have had connections in Blackburn or Preston. Or maybe you might have > better luck than the library and find them still in Golborne. > > Many thanks to all those kind people on the list who took time away from > their own research and responded to my request, it was appreciated. > > Best wishes > Mike Morris > Toronto Canada > Ex Manchester.

I hope you don't think that Mike Morris wants to unsubscribe? I wonder why my address was shown in this e-mail letter? Although they did not get the address correct. Mike Morris Toronto Canada ----- Original Message ----- From: "duke01" <duke01@canada.com> To: <ENG-LAN-LEIGH-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, May 12, 2003 5:38 PM Subject: [(ENG-LEIGH)] Re: ENG-LAN-LEIGH-D Digest V03 #85 UNSUBSCRIBE > > ENG-LAN-LEIGH-D Digest Volume 03 : Issue 85 > > Today's Topics: > #1 [(ENG-LEIGH)] [(ENG-LEIGH)] Wigan ["Mike > Morris" <morrisind@rogers.co] > > Administrivia: > To unsubscribe from ENG-LAN-LEIGH-D, send a message to > > ENG-LAN-LEIGH-D-request@rootsweb.com > > that contains in the body of the message the command > > unsubscribe > > and no other text. No subject line is necessary, but > if your software > requires one, just use unsubscribe in the subject, too. > > To contact the ENG-LAN-LEIGH-D list administrator, send > mail to > ENG-LAN-LEIGH-admin@rootsweb.com. > > ______________________________ Have a nice day, Ray M. Lyons ==== ENG-LAN-LEIGH Mailing List ==== Our list covers the following towns: Leigh (inc. Pennington, Westleigh & Bedford), Atherton, Tyldesley, Astley, Lowton, Golborne, Hindley, Abram, Howe Bridge, Culcheth and Glazebury. Make sure your family members join our list. This list is only as good as its members - please contribute regularly. ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

Thank you Graham, I appreciate your comments, and will of course keep looking. My great great grandfather George Thornber was a Colliery labourer in 1863, perhaps they worked 'shift' work and he was down in the pits when they took the census. It would be interesting to find out if the census taker was waiting at the pit head for the miners to come up so he could do the census. Is it possible there was a census taken for each mine and this is listed by the mines name ? Kind regards Mike Toronto Canada ----- Original Message ----- From: "Graham Leigh" <kgleigh@hotmail.com> To: <ENG-LAN-LEIGH-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, May 12, 2003 3:51 PM Subject: [(ENG-LEIGH)] Re: [(ENG-LEIGH)] [(ENG-LEIGH)] Wigan History Shop Hi Mike , I have had first hand experience of the Wigan History Shop so tend to believe it if they say your ancestors were not there ON THE NIGHT of the census. Of course this does not mean they did not live where you believe they did, they may just have been away on that one night. The other evidence you have seems to suggest they did live in the area. Regards G ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Morris" <morrisind@rogers.com> To: <ENG-LAN-LEIGH-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, May 11, 2003 11:13 PM Subject: [(ENG-LEIGH)] [(ENG-LEIGH)] Wigan History Shop > > > Hi Graham, > I wanted to let you know that the Wigan library did look up the 1861 census > for me, but said they could not find anything.on the Thornber name. I find > this very strange. I have a George Thornber born there in 1860 and later his > sister Ellen Thornber was also born in Golborne in 1863. Her birth > certificate says in the sub district of Lowton. Her parents were Ann and > George Thornber. > > Its darn inconsiderate of my GGgrandparents to leave town on the year of the > census, then come back again. :)). > > Listers please keep your eyes open on the off chance you might see this > family tucked elsewhere on the 1861 or the 1871 census. Its possible they > might have had connections in Blackburn or Preston. Or maybe you might have > better luck than the library and find them still in Golborne.

UNSUBSCRIBE > > ENG-LAN-LEIGH-D Digest Volume 03 : Issue 85 > > Today's Topics: > #1 [(ENG-LEIGH)] [(ENG-LEIGH)] Wigan ["Mike > Morris" <morrisind@rogers.co] > > Administrivia: > To unsubscribe from ENG-LAN-LEIGH-D, send a message to > > ENG-LAN-LEIGH-D-request@rootsweb.com > > that contains in the body of the message the command > > unsubscribe > > and no other text. No subject line is necessary, but > if your software > requires one, just use unsubscribe in the subject, too. > > To contact the ENG-LAN-LEIGH-D list administrator, send > mail to > ENG-LAN-LEIGH-admin@rootsweb.com. > > ______________________________ Have a nice day, Ray M. Lyons

Hi Graham, I wanted to let you know that the Wigan library did look up the 1861 census for me, but said they could not find anything.on the Thornber name. I find this very strange. I have a George Thornber born there in 1860 and later his sister Ellen Thornber was also born in Golborne in 1863. Her birth certificate says in the sub district of Lowton. Her parents were Ann and George Thornber. Its darn inconsiderate of my GGgrandparents to leave town on the year of the census, then come back again. :)). Listers please keep your eyes open on the off chance you might see this family tucked elsewhere on the 1861 or the 1871 census. Its possible they might have had connections in Blackburn or Preston. Or maybe you might have better luck than the library and find them still in Golborne. Many thanks to all those kind people on the list who took time away from their own research and responded to my request, it was appreciated. Best wishes Mike Morris Toronto Canada Ex Manchester. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Graham Leigh" <kgleigh@hotmail.com> To: <ENG-LAN-LEIGH-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, April 29, 2003 3:17 PM Subject: [(ENG-LEIGH)] Wigan History Shop Hi Mike, The familia web site http://www.familia.org.uk/main.html lists all the various local history/ library centres in the UK. The link http://www.familia.org.uk/services/england/wigan.html provides all the contact details etc. for the Wigan History Shop. According to that Web site their email address is heritage@wiganmbs.gov.uk Best Regards Graham http://mysite.freeserve.com/Leigh_Family ==== ENG-LAN-LEIGH Mailing List ==== Our list covers the following towns: Leigh (inc. Pennington, Westleigh & Bedford), Atherton, Tyldesley, Astley, Lowton, Golborne, Hindley, Abram, Howe Bridge, Culcheth and Glazebury. Make sure your family members join our list. This list is only as good as its members - please contribute regularly. ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 ==== ENG-LAN-LEIGH Mailing List ==== Our list covers the following towns: Leigh (inc. Pennington, Westleigh & Bedford), Atherton, Tyldesley, Astley, Lowton, Golborne, Hindley, Abram, Howe Bridge, Culcheth and Glazebury. Make sure your family members join our list. This list is only as good as its members - please contribute regularly. ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

Hi This is my 1st Message to this site, I hope that someone can answer my query, or point me in the right direction as I am fairly new to this business. I am trying to trace my Great Great Grandmother Ann Latham, born Ann Ranicar & wife of Thomas Latham. She gave birth to my Great Grandfather (David Latham) in Manchester in 1844. The only trace of Ranicar I can find in the 19th century is in the Leigh area, mainly Westleigh where they had been prominent for 400 years! - but cannot find Ann. There were also Lathams in Westleigh at that time, so it is possible Thomas & Ann came from there. Hoping someone can perform a miracle! Regards to all Peter

Hi Graham, I wanted to let you know that the Wigan library did look up the 1861 census for me, but said they could not find anything.on the Thornber name. I find this very strange. I have a George Thornber born there in 1860 and later his sister Ellen Thornber was also born in Golborne in 1863. Her birth certificate says in the sub district of Lowton. Her parents were Ann and George Thornber. Its darn inconsiderate of my GGgrandparents to leave town on the year of the census, then come back again. :)). Listers please keep your eyes open on the off chance you might see this family tucked elsewhere on the 1861 or the 1871 census. Its possible they might have had connections in Blackburn or Preston. Or maybe you might have better luck than the library and find them still in Golborne. Many thanks to all those kind people on the list who took time away from their own research and responded to my request, it was appreciated. Best wishes Mike Morris Toronto Canada Ex Manchester. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Graham Leigh" <kgleigh@hotmail.com> To: <ENG-LAN-LEIGH-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, April 29, 2003 3:17 PM Subject: [(ENG-LEIGH)] Wigan History Shop Hi Mike, The familia web site http://www.familia.org.uk/main.html lists all the various local history/ library centres in the UK. The link http://www.familia.org.uk/services/england/wigan.html provides all the contact details etc. for the Wigan History Shop. According to that Web site their email address is heritage@wiganmbs.gov.uk Best Regards Graham http://mysite.freeserve.com/Leigh_Family ==== ENG-LAN-LEIGH Mailing List ==== Our list covers the following towns: Leigh (inc. Pennington, Westleigh & Bedford), Atherton, Tyldesley, Astley, Lowton, Golborne, Hindley, Abram, Howe Bridge, Culcheth and Glazebury. Make sure your family members join our list. This list is only as good as its members - please contribute regularly. ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

----- Original Message ----- From: "Graham Leigh" <kgleigh@hotmail.com> To: <ENG-LAN-LEIGH-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, April 29, 2003 3:17 PM Subject: [(ENG-LEIGH)] Wigan History Shop Hi Mike, The familia web site http://www.familia.org.uk/main.html lists all the various local history/ library centres in the UK. The link http://www.familia.org.uk/services/england/wigan.html provides all the contact details etc. for the Wigan History Shop. According to that Web site their email address is heritage@wiganmbs.gov.uk Best Regards Graham http://mysite.freeserve.com/Leigh_Family ==== ENG-LAN-LEIGH Mailing List ==== Our list covers the following towns: Leigh (inc. Pennington, Westleigh & Bedford), Atherton, Tyldesley, Astley, Lowton, Golborne, Hindley, Abram, Howe Bridge, Culcheth and Glazebury. Make sure your family members join our list. This list is only as good as its members - please contribute regularly. ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

Hello Mike, My dictionary gives the following definition for KELL. Old English word meaning a caul, film over the eye, a skull cap. Maybe a broken skull cap is a shade better than a broken kettle!! Valerie > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go > to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > ==== ENG-LAN-LEIGH Mailing List ==== > Our list covers the following towns: Leigh (inc. Pennington, Westleigh & Bedford), Atherton, Tyldesley, Astley, Lowton, Golborne, Hindley, Abram, Howe Bridge, Culcheth and Glazebury. Make sure your family members join our list. This list is only as good as its members - please contribute regularly. > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >

Hi Valerie, Boy!! this gets even better, I can vision a pirate with an eye patch and a skull cap :))) This family were boat builders in Blackburn. Many thanks for your help, I thought it was very kind of you to spend the time and look this up for me. Best wishes Mike Toronto Canada ----- Original Message ----- From: "Valerie @ ntlworld.com" <v.lirakis@ntlworld.com> To: <ENG-LAN-LEIGH-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2003 9:46 AM Subject: [(ENG-LEIGH)] Re: [(ENG-LEIGH)] Re: [(ENG-LEIGH)] Re: [(ENG-LEIGH)] Root of a name question. Hello Mike, My dictionary gives the following definition for KELL. Old English word meaning a caul, film over the eye, a skull cap. Maybe a broken skull cap is a shade better than a broken kettle!! Valerie

mike, didnt find any of the "Break...." surnames in my Oxford Dictionary of English Surnames" the closest were all the surnames like "Breach" or "Bracken" and the likes. maybe it was corrupted along the way!!? sorry I cant help any further. Ian _________________________________________________________________ Get Hotmail on your mobile phone http://www.msn.co.uk/mobile

Hi Mike, I have just looked up the name Breckel and its variations in the Oxford Encyclopaedia of English Surnames, though the name is not listed I discovered the following. Working on the assumption that the name is in two parts: Names preceded with Breck, Break, are nicknames as in Breakspear [ someone who broke his spear ] , Breaklance, The second part of the name Kel, Kell is the old English shortened term for Kettle, it is also a spelling variation of Keal which is a place in Lincolnshire, and also Keele in Staffordshire. Hope this helps. John Doxey doxjohn@optusnet.com.au ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Morris" <morrisind@rogers.com> To: <ENG-LAN-LEIGH-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2003 8:11 AM Subject: [(ENG-LEIGH)] Root of a name question. > Does anyone have any idea where the following surname may have originated? > > BRECKEL, BRECKELL, BREAKELL, BREAKALL, BREAKELL, BREAKILL, BREAKHALL, BREACKELL, BREAKHELL, BREAKHILL. > > There is a number of them around the Blackburn Lancashire area. > > Thank you > Mike Morris > Toronto Canada > > > ==== ENG-LAN-LEIGH Mailing List ==== > Our list covers the following towns: Leigh (inc. Pennington, Westleigh & Bedford), Atherton, Tyldesley, Astley, Lowton, Golborne, Hindley, Abram, Howe Bridge, Culcheth and Glazebury. Make sure your family members join our list. This list is only as good as its members - please contribute regularly. > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >

Hi John, Boy!! what a let down, I was really hoping for something a tad different, possibly a Viking background or from Europe. Maybe even a member of King Arthur's court. Hmmmmmm! a broken kettle never crossed my mind :))) Many thanks I really did appreciate the look up. Kind regards Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Doxey" <doxjohn@optusnet.com.au> To: <ENG-LAN-LEIGH-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, May 05, 2003 8:12 PM Subject: [(ENG-LEIGH)] Re: [(ENG-LEIGH)] Root of a name question. Hi Mike, I have just looked up the name Breckel and its variations in the Oxford Encyclopaedia of English Surnames, though the name is not listed I discovered the following. Working on the assumption that the name is in two parts: Names preceded with Breck, Break, are nicknames as in Breakspear [ someone who broke his spear ] , Breaklance, The second part of the name Kel, Kell is the old English shortened term for Kettle, it is also a spelling variation of Keal which is a place in Lincolnshire, and also Keele in Staffordshire. Hope this helps. John Doxey doxjohn@optusnet.com.au ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Morris" <morrisind@rogers.com> To: <ENG-LAN-LEIGH-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2003 8:11 AM Subject: [(ENG-LEIGH)] Root of a name question. > Does anyone have any idea where the following surname may have originated? > > BRECKEL, BRECKELL, BREAKELL, BREAKALL, BREAKELL, BREAKILL, BREAKHALL, BREACKELL, BREAKHELL, BREAKHILL. > > There is a number of them around the Blackburn Lancashire area. > > Thank you > Mike Morris > Toronto Canada > > > ==== ENG-LAN-LEIGH Mailing List ==== > Our list covers the following towns: Leigh (inc. Pennington, Westleigh & Bedford), Atherton, Tyldesley, Astley, Lowton, Golborne, Hindley, Abram, Howe Bridge, Culcheth and Glazebury. Make sure your family members join our list. This list is only as good as its members - please contribute regularly. > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > ==== ENG-LAN-LEIGH Mailing List ==== Our list covers the following towns: Leigh (inc. Pennington, Westleigh & Bedford), Atherton, Tyldesley, Astley, Lowton, Golborne, Hindley, Abram, Howe Bridge, Culcheth and Glazebury. Make sure your family members join our list. This list is only as good as its members - please contribute regularly. ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

Does anyone have any idea where the following surname may have originated? BRECKEL, BRECKELL, BREAKELL, BREAKALL, BREAKELL, BREAKILL, BREAKHALL, BREACKELL, BREAKHELL, BREAKHILL. There is a number of them around the Blackburn Lancashire area. Thank you Mike Morris Toronto Canada