Hi Beth I'm not sure exactly what you mean by ORs - maybe I'm being stupid, but it's not a term I've come across before. I must admit, I thought that the GRO indexes were pretty much complete. Maybe you can enlighten me!!! Which district are you searching for, and what name/event? All the best Janet Lytham St Annes, Lancashire >From: Beth <bwearing@eastlink.ca> >Reply-To: Beth <bwearing@eastlink.ca>, eng-lan-fylde@rootsweb.com >To: eng-lan-fylde@rootsweb.com >Reading data on various other lists I gather that there are quite a few >incumbants out there who do not/will not send in their records to be added >to the Gro lists. > >How do we discover which churches have not sent in their records. I have a >marriage which must have taken place between the 1901 census and february >1905. No sign of it anywhere. _________________________________________________________________ Txt a lot? Get Messenger FREE on your mobile. https://livemessenger.mobile.uk.msn.com/

Hi Janet I would normally call them PRs but have noticed other people on various lists calling them ORs, presumably OLD??????? I am looking for a marriage between the 1901 census and February 1905 when the bride died. It was between Sarah Alice ORMONROYD, father John Thomas Ormonroyd, and James CROWTHER, father John Crowther. I am ASSUMING the marriage took place in the Oldham area as all records of both families are found there till after the re-marriage in 1908 of James. He then went to India with his new wife, my great aunt, Helen Lydia RUSHTON. I have the GRO online via Ancestry, and there are no Sarah Alice Ormonroyd marriages to be found. I have her death cert. so know a Sarah Alice Ormonroyd was married to a James Crowther, and my James was a widower when he married in 1905. It has been suggested that she could have been previously married, but I would still need a Sarah Alice Ormonroyd event. She is single and at home on the 1901 census. Reading some very interesting messages on other lists I am seriously considering that the marriage is not listed or could be sitting in some church somewhere and not sent in. I did also wonder if two marriage records had been mixed up together, but I still need a Sarah Alice. Any, and all, ideas gratefully received. Regards beth in Canada -----

Hi there What exactly does OR stand for ?? I have a girl bapt as Esther and married using that name. 1851, 1861 and 1871 she is listed as using that Christian name. However in 1881 she is remarried and appears as Charlotte. Having puzzled over this for many years I came across a death on the new Manchester burial site, entered as Esther Charlotte. Decided to go for it and send for the death certificate which arrived with both the names written down. One puzzle worked out, but the remaining puzzle is where is the record for the second marriage and the record for the death of the first husband. I cannot still work out why she suddenly changed her name, unless when she married for the second time she was not really a widow. I presume that you have searched for Sarah Alice marriage taking place anywhere, apart from Oldham. Just in case the marriage was not accepted by the family. How old would she be at the marriage date, would they have gone to Gretna Green, for instance, and eloped? How old was she when she married? Olive

Hello Olive I might have made a mistake about OR, it appears that it should have been OPR and might perhaps be only associated with Scotish records. I have actually looked at the entire GRO list, not just Oldham and cannot find many Ormonroyd entries at all. I am assuming they were married but where is a good question. I have her death cert. where she is listed as Sarah Alice Crowther, husband James a carder, and I have James Crowther marrying as a widower. She was 22 in 1901 on the census, living at home, so I don't know why they would have eloped. The Oldham Archives have been very helpful but have no such record. Other than finding missing church records I don't know where to look. She wouldn't have been voting at that date, and I have no idea where she worked, no occupation on the census. Not knowing what data bases are available makes it difficult to know what to ask for. She was sick for 4 months before dying but no hospitals are mentioned when she died. Thanks for your ideas Beth in NS