Hi Janet I have since discovered OPRs are PRs so named in the Scottish churches. I originally joined the Fylde list as that is where the 2nd marriage occured and had not realised there was an Oldham list. The Oldham Archives group were very helpful sorting out one marriage for me, and mentioning others. They also filled me in on the Pub the father ran etc etc. I have the Birth and death of Sarah Alice, and the marriages of her parents and brother Joseph. Only her marriage is missing, and as I already have some incorrect certificates for various Sarah Alice's I am reluctant to order any without a James Crowther also mentioned. The family in 1901 can be found at Oldham RG 13/3810 f 71 page 11. Using FreeBMd one can often work out who married whom and I gather that there are no ORMONROYD/CROWTHER marriages on the GRO at present. The one in N Bierley is probably one who was born there as per the 1891 census(I think) The ones you mentioned in 1901 have 4 names listed on the page so I believe they are the ones that would make up the 2 couples. I'll join the Oldham list and see if anything pops up there. Thanks for your ideas beth in NS

HI Beth Ah, now I see them - wrongly transcribed by Ancestry as Osmonroyd! (You might want to add a correction to the site for them - I've had a few contacts through doing corrections for my families. Anyone else spotting that you've corrected the name will know you also have an interest in the family) It really is a mystery, I don't know what else I can suggest, but if I do think of anything, I'll be sure to contact you again. Janet >From: Beth <bwearing@eastlink.ca> >Reply-To: Beth <bwearing@eastlink.ca> >To: Janet C <jancee52@hotmail.com>, eng-lan-fylde@rootsweb.com >Subject: Re: [FYLDE] Unreleased ORs >Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2007 13:37:16 -0300 > >Hi Janet > >I have since discovered OPRs are PRs so named in the Scottish churches. > >I originally joined the Fylde list as that is where the 2nd marriage >occured and had not realised there was an Oldham list. The Oldham Archives >group were very helpful sorting out one marriage for me, and mentioning >others. They also filled me in on the Pub the father ran etc etc. I have >the Birth and death of Sarah Alice, and the marriages of her parents and >brother Joseph. Only her marriage is missing, and as I already have some >incorrect certificates for various Sarah Alice's I am reluctant to order >any without a James Crowther also mentioned. > >The family in 1901 can be found at Oldham RG 13/3810 f 71 page 11. > >Using FreeBMd one can often work out who married whom and I gather that >there are no ORMONROYD/CROWTHER marriages on the GRO at present. The one in >N Bierley is probably one who was born there as per the 1891 census(I >think) The ones you mentioned in 1901 have 4 names listed on the page so I >believe they are the ones that would make up the 2 couples. > >I'll join the Oldham list and see if anything pops up there. > >Thanks for your ideas >beth in NS > > _________________________________________________________________ Txt a lot? Get Messenger FREE on your mobile. https://livemessenger.mobile.uk.msn.com/

Hello Folks Just found this, with a mention of Albion Hotel. Don`t know where it came from, I have all kinds of stuff stored on the computer. Olive BLACKPOOL BLACKPOOL A SKETCH OF ITS RISE AND GROWTH 1592-1792 1903 by C. Roeder Historic Society of Lancashire and Cheshire Transactions vo. LIV (Blackpool Central reference library) LE02 In 1769 at Lane Ends there were 18 battered buildings only Forshaws was big. The houses were covered in thatch, every hut was fenced in by a huge stack of black turf on one side of the door and the family dunghill on the other. BLACKPOOL THE HISTORY OF BLACKPOOL AND ITS NEIGHBOURHOOD 1837 by William Thornber (Lancashire Record Office) open shelves Blackpool The Foxhall fell into disrepair after the enclosure of Layton Hawes in 1767. "A small cottage erected on the ground now occupied by the Albion Hotel, the property of Mr. Thomas Nickson, was the principal place of resort. Soon afterwards Old Marjoreys, now Bonneys Hotel, was erected, and became noted for good cheer. The Ginn also was much frequented." Henry and Robert Banks gave a description of the place in 1769; "The houses were few and scattered; from the church to the sea, the small white cottage previously mentioned stood a solitary dwelling:- from the hovel standing on the site of Bennetts Hotel to Fumblers Hill, eight cottages might be numbered, all of them with the exception of Forshaw's Hotel, merely huts: and at the lower end of Blackpool eighteen battered buildings, many of which are now washed down and the others dilapidated:- these composed the village. All of them, with the exception of four, which had recently been rendered conspicuous by a roof of slate, were covered with thatch; one, and only one was ornamented by a sash window; and a solitary shed could alone be found to protect from the rain the equipage of the visitor. Nor was cleanliness much regarded; the refuse and filth of the household was discharged at the very threshold of the door; and the duck, with delighted young ones, dabbling in the little ponds of water indented in the clay floor, frequently associated with the pig. Almost every hut was fenced in front by a huge black stack of turf on one side of the door, while on the other the family dunghill, sweetly scented with putrefying offal of fish, ascended in noble emulation. BYGONE BLACKPOOL Kathleen Eyre 1971 (Blackpool Central Lending Library) Page 4 The name was first recorded in the Bispham Parish Register; "1602 Ellen daughter of Thomas Cowban de blackpoole Sept XXij. THE HISTORY OF BLACKPOOL AND ITS NEIGHBOURHOOD 1837 by William Thornber (Lancashire Record Office) open shelves Blackpool "A.D.1790-- Many Improvements had taken place; houses were now erected on a superior plan, more adapted to the modem taste, and several conveniences, formerly held in no esteem, began slowly, and perhaps unwillingly, to be adopted; several comodious licensed resorts, (we dare not as yet dignify them with the tale of hotels,) had risen up, and the hamlet before scattered was assuming a more compact appearance. Neatness and ornament, however, was not the order of the day--the turf stack and dung hill kept their hereditary site, from which they were nor displaced without much persuasion and angry debate; as for trelisswork, verandahs, or other fancy appendages, there was a total dearth. BLACKPOOL GAZETTE AND HERALD 23rd January 1926 by B. Bowman (Blackpool reference library) LE02 50 Houses were built in four groups. Fumblers hill was the most northerly. Next at the centre near and including the Lane Ends. Next was at Hounds Hill at the locality of the Royal Hotel. The most southerly was at Fox Hall. HOTELS A NEW DESCRIPTION OF BLACKPOOL approx. 1830 (Harris Reference Library) open shelves Lancashire "Assemblies are occasionally held during the latter end of the season (October) at Baileys Hotel, Nickson's Hotel, Banks' Hotel, Fish's (now Simpsons) Hotel and the Albion House where such of the company in the place as wish to partake of the pleasures of the ball-room, meet and mix in the hilarity of the scene, while cards, drafts and backgammon beguile the hours of the sedentary.

Olive That is very interesting about the Albion Hotel. I gather there was a big one in Blackpool, possibly the one mentioned, but as my relatives stated their place of abode on their 1908 marriage cert. was the Albion Hotel, Bispham, I assume there might have been two of them?????? The chaps first wife died at 9 Albion Avenue Bispham in 1905, so I have been wondering if that could have been the address of the hotel. Until the previous year her father had been proprietor of the Auld Lang Syne beerhouse for 13-14 years, so maybe the hotel was a step up. A puzzle all round.. Many thanks Beth