This is in my list of Churches, re marriage registers - 25.9.1899 New Central Methodist Church Adelaide Street Blackpool, the date being the first entry in the marriage register. Seems a bit odd given your date, but then my information could be incorrect. However it must be the same Church. The Church now is built up above the shops and they have services and coffee etc. served to shoppers. There is a photograph in one of the books of old Blackpool photographs. central methodist church blackpool - put this in Google for a map etc. Olive

Thanks Lynne and Phil. Marriage cert for 1893 just says Wesleyan Chapel, Hounds Hill, Blackpool. Minister was J. Holland Brown Thanks Rosie

Tony Weeks wrote: > Hi > Can anyone tell me the location of Hounds Hill Wesleyan Methodist Chapel. I imagine it's gone by now but fingers crossed. > Which one? The one on Bank Hey street closed in 1862 and they moved to Adelaide St. I think that one has now gone but been replaced by a new Blackpool Central Methodist on Adelaide St. > Many thanks > > Rosie > phil -- Phil Stringer, Enterprise Systems, Phone +44 161 275 6057 IT Services Fax +44 161 275 6040 The University of Manchester email Phil.Stringer@manchester.ac.uk UK Genealogy - http://www.genuki.org.uk/

Hi Can anyone tell me the location of Hounds Hill Wesleyan Methodist Chapel. I imagine it's gone by now but fingers crossed. Many thanks Rosie

> Tony Weeks wrote: > >> Hi >> Can anyone tell me the location of Hounds Hill Wesleyan Methodist >> Chapel. I imagine it's gone by now but fingers crossed. >> > Which one? The one on Bank Hey street closed in 1862 and they moved to > Adelaide St. I think that one has now gone but been replaced by a new > Blackpool Central Methodist on Adelaide St. > > phil Of the very few references I've found to a "Hounds Hill" chapel on the web, one located it in "the area behind the Tower and up to the Winter Gardens, roughly." Does that help determine which church it might be? Lynne

Colin Harrison wrote: > My name is Colin Harrison and I have just joined the list. I live in > southwest Utah where today is was 44 C and very dry. I can see Nevada > and Arizona from my front door. I am interested in exchanging > information on the HARRISON or collaterals from whom I am a > descendent. The family lived in Newton-cum-Scales from 1515 on > inherited property until 1656. At that time the family relocated to > Singleton at what subsequently came to be known as Bankfield Estate. > In 1850 the family was scattered but still in Lancashire until 1926, > Collaterals include DICONSON, HORNBY, SWARBRICK, FAYLE, CRUMBLEHOLME, > BICKERSTAFF, BIRLEY and WALKER all from the 1515 -1850 period. > > Hi Colin I'm sure you must have mentioned it before, but for some reason I never noticed the CRUMBLEHOLME. Just in case you haven't seen it, there's a post on the WOOD surname board made by a CRUMBLEHOLME living in Runcorn about William James CRUMBLEHOLME who married Eva Ellen Wood (nee' Tamlin). See http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/message/rw/surnames.wood/5962 There's a few (not many!) other posts regarding CRUMBLEHOLME scattered around the boards, but there doesn't seem to be a board devoted to that surname. Best wishes, Lynne

Dear Listers, While we're in the midst of the summer doldrums, perhaps this would be a good time to discuss our brick walls or how we punched our way through them. . Tell us what's got you stumped. If you have a success story, inspire us with it as Glenys recently did. Perhaps you have a few hints on how to dismantle that wall -- tell all! Best wishes, Lynne

Some events in August, September, and beyond which might be of interest: AUGUST Now 'til ??? GMCRO Online Exhibition: Apprenticeship Indentures. See http://www.gmcro.co.uk/exhibitions/apprentices.htm 2nd Thursday of every month (except August 7) 7 pm – 9 pm - WARRINGTON LIBRARY, MUSUM AND ARCHIVES SERVICE, Memories of Culcheth, Culcheth Library, Warrington Road, Culcheth. See http://www.warrington.gov.uk/entertainment/libraries/events/default.asp ============ 5 August 12 noon - 5 pm - Celebration of Family History, Astley Hall, Chorley. See http://www.lfhhs.org.uk/lancs/events/index.htm ============ 14 August 3:00 pm - 5:00 PM - JEWISH GENEALOGICAL SOCIETY OF GREAT BRITAIN, MANCHESTER GROUP MEETING, "Library Open," Broughton Library, Bury New Road, Salford. See http://www.jgsgb.org.uk/prog06q3.shtml 16 August 12.15 pm - BURY MUSEUM AND ARCHIVES Introduction to Archives talk, Bury Art Gallery, Museum+Archives, Moss Street, Bury. Telephone 0161 253 5878 or see http://www.bury.gov.uk/Events/Events.asp ============ 28 August BARROW RECORD OFFICE and LOCAL STUDIES LIBRARY closed ============ 29 August - 11 September BOLTON ARCHIVES closed for stock taking ============ SEPTEMBER 2 September NORTH WEST CATHOLIC HISTORY SOCIETY Annual Conference, St. John Rigby College, Orrell, Wigan. For more information, contact the North West Catholic History Society, 11 Tower Hill, Ormskirk. ============ 10 September National HERITAGE OPEN DAYS and Cheetham Festival. Some Historic Synagogues throughout the country will be open to the public - including the Manchester Jewish Museum. See www.heritageopendays.org and www.jewish-heritage-uk.org ============ 17 September Liverpool History Society, Liverpool & the American Civil War. See http://www.liverpoolhistorysociety.org.uk/ ============ 21 September 8 pm - NORTH MEOLS (SOUTHPORT) FHS, "The settlement of Lancashire through place names," The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, Southport. See http://www.nmfhssouthport.co.uk ============ 23 September NORTH WEST GROUP OF THE FEDERATION OF FHS Annual Fair and The World of the Internet, hosted by LIVERPOOL & S.W. LANCASHIRE FHS., Floral Hall, Southport. See http://www.liverpool-genealogy.org.uk/Events.htm ============ 30 September 11 am to 4 pm - NORTH MEOLS (Southport) FHS annual Open Day in St. Cuthbert's Church Hall, next to the Church in Churchtown village. See http://www.nmfhssouthport.co.uk ==================================== FUTURE EVENTS: 7 October THE MOURHOLME LOCAL HISTORY SOCIETY & LANCASHIRE LOCAL HISTORY FEDERATION "At Home" 2006, the Village Hall, Borwick, Near Carnforth. See http://lancashirehistory.mysite.orange.co.uk/LLHFAtHome.pdf 10 October 7:30 pm - HORWICH HERITAGE, "Old Bolton" - guest speaker: Peter Nightingale, Horwich Resource Centre, Horwich. See http://www.horwichheritage.co.uk/meetings.htm 14 October LIVERPOOL & SW LANCASHIRE FHS Eighteenth Annual Conference, 30th Aniversary, The Gateway Centre, Warrington. See http://www.liverpool-genealogy.org.uk/Events.htm 22 October 12.30 pm to 6 pm - The RIMMER FHS will be holding its Annual Reunion at the Fleetwood Hesketh Sports & Social Club, Fylde Road, Marshside, Southport, Lancashire. See http://www.rimmerreviewonline.com 29 October 10 am to 5 pm - Liverpool Family History Fair, Aintree Racecourse, Liverpool. See http://members.aol.com/aquarterma/ainfly.jpg And, now for something completely different . . . . Not in or about Lancashire, but of interest to Monty Python fans <g>: 14 December 6.00 pm - The Historical Association - Terry Jones on Richard II, University of Leicester, University Road,Leicester. See http://www.haevents.org.uk/Events_Search_Details.asp?type=Conferences&id=701 ==================================== If you know of other genealogy or history events in or about Lancashire, please tell us about them. For more information about events in England, join the Eng-Gen-Events list (see <http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/ENG/ENG-GEN-EVENTS.html>

Colin We had our first rain this afternoon for quite a while. We hit the highest ever recorded temperature a few days ago, but it did not reach 44c at all. Seeing Nevada and Arizona sounds just like something from a film. Hope you get some rain soon, although I doubt it. Good luck with any new contacts. Olive

Dear Listers, If you don't subscribe to the Family Records Centre newsletter, you might want to take a look at the most recent issue at <http://www.familyrecords.gov.uk/frc/news/fr_35.htm>. In this issue, some explanation is given as to why the controversial step to move the family records services from the FRC to Kew is being taken. If you have Irish ancestors (and it seems like almost all of us do!), note the talk in September by Helen Kelly: "Researching Your Irish Ancestors." Best wishes, Lynne

> I'm confused, too! Are you sure that you find entries on Ancestry that > aren't on FreeBMD? The transcribed entries on Ancestry are actually > taken from FreeBMD, so Ancestry should have the same or fewer records > than FreeBMD. Thinking about this, when I use freebmd I narrow the search to a county or a year. Perhaps when I use ancestry I do not. This is the only reason I can think of the explain the difference. I suppose I should test a few names out to see if there is a difference or if it is my imagination.

Stephen, All I know is that you can view 2 lots of bmd indexes. 1. The full GRO indexes as you would on 1837 but obviously you have to wade through the years 2. The free bmd to date which will search for the names as on the free bmd website. If others know otherwise please correct me! Jackie > I presumme you are not aware that you can view the GRO indexes for free at ancestry.co.uk? I am confused about the bmd on ancestry. I thought they used the freebmd and I find that that is incomplete for entries after say 1900. However, recently when I have looked, I sometimes find entries on ancestry that are not on freebmd. What is going on? ==== ENG-LAN-FYLDE Mailing List ==== No off-list lookup requests, please! They defeat the entire purpose of the list and put undue pressure on the recipient. Please SHARE by posting to the list! ============================== New! Family Tree Maker 2005. Build your tree and search for your ancestors at the same time. Share your tree with family and friends. Learn more: http://landing.ancestry.com/familytreemaker/2005/tour.aspx?sourceid=14599&targetid=5429

> I presumme you are not aware that you can view the GRO indexes for free at ancestry.co.uk? I am confused about the bmd on ancestry. I thought they used the freebmd and I find that that is incomplete for entries after say 1900. However, recently when I have looked, I sometimes find entries on ancestry that are not on freebmd. What is going on?

My name is Colin Harrison and I have just joined the list. I live in southwest Utah where today is was 44 C and very dry. I can see Nevada and Arizona from my front door. I am interested in exchanging information on the HARRISON or collaterals from whom I am a descendent. The family lived in Newton-cum-Scales from 1515 on inherited property until 1656. At that time the family relocated to Singleton at what subsequently came to be known as Bankfield Estate. In 1850 the family was scattered but still in Lancashire until 1926, Collaterals include DICONSON, HORNBY, SWARBRICK, FAYLE, CRUMBLEHOLME, BICKERSTAFF, BIRLEY and WALKER all from the 1515 -1850 period. Colin H A R R I S O N

Stephen wrote: > I am confused about the bmd on ancestry. I thought they used the > freebmd and I find that that is incomplete for entries after say 1900. > However, recently when I have looked, I sometimes find entries on > ancestry that are not on freebmd. What is going on? > I'm confused, too! Are you sure that you find entries on Ancestry that aren't on FreeBMD? The transcribed entries on Ancestry are actually taken from FreeBMD, so Ancestry should have the same or fewer records than FreeBMD. As Jackie mentioned, Ancestry does have the full GRO images from 1837-1983 which you can search and view for free at http://www.ancestry.co.uk/search/rectype/vital/freebmd/bmd.aspx Best wishes, Lynne

Snip>> Thanks. I had not thought of that. I was using 1837 and spent about £10 looking! >> Hi Stephen, I presumme you are not aware that you can view the GRO indexes for free at ancestry.co.uk? www.ancestry.co.uk/search/rectype/vital/freebmd/bmd.aspx Good luck with your research Regards Jackie, Southampton

Yesterday's "Kith and Kin" on Radio 4 featured the Lancashire working class and "the greatest grandmothers." If you missed the programme, you can listen to a replay at http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio4/kithandkin/pip/7u22c/ Enjoy! Lynne

> I looked in Lancashire B M D and found this for the year 1946:- > John Thomas Edmunson age 72 died in Sub-district of Clitheroe, Registers at > Preston. > This would have made him born in 1874, and would have made him around 40 at > the time of WW1. > Could this be your John Thomas? > I have found that ages on Death certificates are not very reliable in the > earlier times, for example they gave my gt granny's age as 59 when she was > actually 66. I think they sometimes must have guessed at it. Thanks. I had not thought of that. I was using 1837 and spent about £10 looking! I stopped at 1945 because I was getting tired at staring at the screen, I was going to continue my search later. It certainly could be him. Preston does not seem too far to consider. I agree about the ages; I think with births people registered the wrong birthday to escape being fined for late registration and with deaths, the deceased could not inform them, so the informant guessed how old they were. Since people could not write or count, I guess this added to the margin of error. I'll look into it, thanks.

> I have an Ann EDMONDSON whose son [?] was called Howarth, they were > 48 & 5 yrs respectively in 1861. They are shown as Visitors (so no > relationship is given) on the 1861 census for Low Moor, Clitheroe. > Any known connections? I found my Edmundsons in Blackburn in 1861; the women seem to favour the name "Elizabeth". So, I would say no, there is no connection at the moment; but I have only just started on this line of my family, so who knows what might turn up?

Mavis Griffiths wrote: > Does anyone know if Birling Terrace is still standing in Fleetwood? I > have looked in streetmap.co.uk but cannot find one. Or perhaps it > changed its name. I have an ancestor born there in 1890. Many > thanks for any information. > > Mavis in Hyde > > ==== ENG-LAN-FYLDE Mailing List ==== > ~ Type surnames in all CAPS in both the body and subject line. Be > sure to include dates and locations in your query. > > Hi Mavis If you give the details of your ancestor from the 1901 census I will have an idea of where Birling Terrace was and hopefully let you know if it still there as some of these Terraces are still standing in Fleetwood. regards Julie