OK Listers, More details. John Melling born 1864, in Lytham. In 1891 he was living with his wife Mary and one child Elizabeth, in Farmer's Arms Yard, Blackpool on Lytham Road. In the 1902 Blackpool directory he is listed at 33 Highfield Road as a Fruiterer. He had a child, born at that address in 1903, Winnifred my aunt. The address 33 Bensons Lane, the old name for Highfield road, is unoccupied in the 1901 census. I think the Houses had just been built. Again my question, where are the missing pages for the 42 electoral district? They cover the area of Lytham Road and Bensons Lane including the Farmers Arms. Hope this gives you enough information. Yours, Bernie Davies. Ottawa, Canada.

In a message dated 11/11/2006 08:31:01 GMT Standard Time, eng-lan-fylde-request@rootsweb.com writes: Re: 1901 Census John Melling, age 38, should be there.Thanking you in anticipation. Yours, Bernie Davies, Ottawa, Canada. ~~~~~~~~~~~~ Bernie You need to supply much more information than this! Where was he born? - Blackpool? if known! When was he born - 1863? Was he married? Single? Etc; etc If fact all the infomation you have will help Lostock

Hi Listers, I have been trying to find an ancestor on the above census with no luck. I know he should be there, as I have located him in directories over that time period. I recently browsed though the census sheets, using the free trial with Ancestry.com, without finding him. Whilst browsing, I noticed that enumeration district 42 has only one page. The description of the district, in the census, indicates that there should be around 25-30. Does anyone know if these pages are non-existent, or have Ancestry failed to include them? I am pretty sure that my missing ancestor, John Melling, age 38, should be there.Thanking you in anticipation. Yours, Bernie Davies, Ottawa, Canada.

Hello Stephen Directories are to my mind, something like Thompsons Directories. Some of them, i.e. Manchester, do not list all the small streets. Have you a date in mind? There are some available as CDs. Unless he was big enough to have a firm that would advertise, I doubt him having his own telephone number. There were so very many people that worked for the Tower Company over the years. If he was a lodger, as so many men were, then finding him is very difficult. As building the Tower, and the maintenance took many years, it is likely that he could have stayed in Blackpool for years too. Or maybe gone somewhere where a similar kind of job was available. A search for a marriage is one idea, or a death. After all when a person dies the person who registers the death can only say how old the deceased said he was at some time in his life. Unless there is some documentary proof. You could enquire at Park Cemetery for a burial there. The records are all on computer. cemcrem@fylde.gov.uk If nothing else, it will also eliminate another line of enquiry. Good luck Olive

> Hello Stephen > central.library@blackpool.gov.uk > Above is the email address for Blackpool central library. Thank you. I did visit there some months ago whilst looking for my great-grandmother and the staff were very helpful. I have already sent them an e-mail. > A lot of > documents including electoral rolls were lost in a big fire which occurred > at the Town Hall in the 1930s. When I visited they told me they did not have early electoral registers but never explained why. This explains a lot. > The Library have directories, but whether your John would be entered as a > tradesman, I am not sure. I've not looked at trade directories before. What do they list and what don't they? > Telephones would not be available for an ordinary household, but maybe if he > worked for a firm they may have an entry. The problem is that if the firm have an entry, I won't know that he worked there. I was hoping for "J Edmundson Blackpool 12345" and his address. > Have you found a death for him, do you think it likely that he died in > Blackpool? He was from Blackburn but met my great-grandmother in Blackpool. Stories in the family suggest they knew each other from schooldays and all lived in Blackpool, but I don't have any firm evidence of that. He left without knowing that his wife was pregnant, so never knew he had a son. If he did, perhaps he would have kept in touch. I assume he stayed in Blackpool but the family never saw him again. I'd like to think he stayed in Lancs. but he could have gone anywhere. > A wife, or children, any other clues to help? He may have remarried and started another family, but our family know nothing about what he did when he left. Someone on this list found a JTE death which was in Lancs, not Blackpool, and although the age at death did not match exactly, the other poster said that the informant was probably just a few years out with their estimate. I suppose I should look for (re-)marriage certificates and death certificates.. Thanks.

> Is this what you're after? > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/ENG/LANCSGEN.html Thank you.

Hello Stephen central.library@blackpool.gov.uk Above is the email address for Blackpool central library. A lot of documents including electoral rolls were lost in a big fire which occurred at the Town Hall in the 1930s. The Library have directories, but whether your John would be entered as a tradesman, I am not sure. Telephones would not be available for an ordinary household, but maybe if he worked for a firm they may have an entry. They have a few directories at the Library, not sure of the dates. Have you found a death for him, do you think it likely that he died in Blackpool? A wife, or children, any other clues to help? Olive

Hi Stephen Is this what you're after? http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/ENG/LANCSGEN.html Best wishes Janet C >From: stephengenuki@tinfoil.cotse.net >Is there a list for the county of Lancashire? I am sure there is but >just looked on Rootsweb and could not find the English lists page. >Where is the page / what address do i subscribe to for Lancs? _________________________________________________________________ Be the first to hear what's new at MSN - sign up to our free newsletters! http://www.msn.co.uk/newsletters

Hello, Is there a list for the county of Lancashire? I am sure there is but just looked on Rootsweb and could not find the English lists page. Where is the page / what address do i subscribe to for Lancs? Thanks, Stephen.

Hello, I am trying to trace my great-grandfather who "disappeared" after WW2. It seems my great-grandmother had married previously and her first husband was thought to be killed in the war, only he reappeared. Two's company and three's a crowd, so my great-grandfather left, never to be seen again. I know he worked as a sign writer and a story in the family is that he painted the ballroom at Blackpool Tower. Would a sign writer or painter be listed in any trade directories? Does Blackpool library hold any such directories? Where else could I look? Electoral registers would be a problem as I would have to try every street until I got lucky. What about telephone directories? When did telephones become common? Could I perhaps look there? If anyone has access to any of the above, he is John Thomas Edmundson, born Blackburn 1887. The family lived in Blackpool and that's all I know! If anyone could look him up, as I am some miles away, it would be a great help. Thanks, Stephen.

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The Blackpool Evening Gazette. Jackie ----- Original Message ----- From: "Beth" <bwearing@eastlink.ca> To: <eng-lan-fylde@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, October 28, 2006 4:11 PM Subject: [FYLDE] Bispham Obituaires 1905 > Could someone tell me which newspaper I need, in which to hopefully find > an > Obit for 1905 Bispham? I would be looking for Sarah Alice CROWTHER. Died > 16th february. > > Tahnks > beth in NS > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > EXTREMELY USEFUL SITES: > ~~ Lancashire pages: http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/LAN/ > ~~ Lancashire Family History & Heraldry Society: http://www.lfhhs.org.uk/ > ~~ Manchester & Lancashire FHS: www.mlfhs.org.uk > ~~ Lancashire Parish Register Society: > http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/LAN/lprs/ > ~~ Liverpool & SW Lancs FHS: www.liverpool-genealogy.org.uk > > > The list administrator can be reached at ENG-LAN-FYLDE-admin@RootsWeb.com > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-LAN-FYLDE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hello Beth Here are the two email addresses, one for Lytham and the other one for St Annes. The other website is one I found by accident. You can find any of the Lancashire libraries on there. Very useful. lytham.library@lcl.lancscc.gov.uk st-annes.library@lcl.lancscc.gov.uk http://www.lancashire.gov.uk/libraries/search.asp I have not had time to search for the marriage on the GRO lists on Ancestry, so if you have searched there, it is difficult. I presume you have looked for other odd spellings for Sarah Alice. I have a similar problem to yours, I cannot find a second marriage for Esther or a death for the first husband. I am puzzled and am now wondering if in fact she married for the second time and the first husband was alive. Maybe she had left him or vice versa. I have 2 death certificates which proved to be incorrect. The books in the Register Office are their own books. There is one for each Church for marriages, so if you are searching for a marriage, you can see why they have problems when there are so many Church books to look through. Then there is the Register Office book which covers Register Office marriages and those that took place in other Churches which do not have a book of their own. Depends on the date, but maybe smaller denominations. A big complicated to explain fully. The Church Registers are the same as the copy of the Register that is kept at the Record Office. Do you think they could have married abroad, there are details of these marriages if you contact GRO office. I am not sure what you are looking for, I must be reading this incorrectly, can you help? You say you found Sarah Alice on the 1901 unmarried, so she married after this date to James Crowther. Who died in 1905, Sarah Alice or her husband James Crowther? Where did the death take place, any chance of looking in the local paper for an obituary? Another thing is a Directory entry for the years 1901 to 1905, probably the entry would be under the name of the husband, but the address may be a useful clue. Have you the religion of the couple? There may be something there re an entry in the paper of an event of some kind. Also the death cert, the address may be worth look at, re surrounding Church grave yards or Municipal grave yards etc. A lot of these have been recorded. Have you looked on the Manchester burial site. http://www.manchester.gov.uk/opservices/bereave/onlinerecords.htm You can browse for free. Just enter the surname and then click on search. I have just put in Crowther, but nothing showed up. Can you come up with anything else for us to help you in your search? Olive

Could someone tell me which newspaper I need, in which to hopefully find an Obit for 1905 Bispham? I would be looking for Sarah Alice CROWTHER. Died 16th february. Tahnks beth in NS

Thank you Olive. Do you have the e.mail addresses for the 2 libraries? Gerard ----- Original Message ----- From: <eng-lan-fylde-request@rootsweb.com> To: <eng-lan-fylde@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, October 27, 2006 8:12 AM Subject: ENG-LAN-FYLDE Digest, Vol 1, Issue 36 > > > Don't like the FORMAT of this digest? Write to ENG-LAN-FYLDE-admin@rootsweb.com > and I'll be happy to change the format for you. -- Lynne > > ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ > To post a message to the list, send it to ENG-LAN-FYLDE@rootsweb.com > > When replying to a digest message, quote only the specific message to which you are replying, removing the rest > of the digest from your reply. Change the subject line to that of the message to which you are replying. > > ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ > To search and browse the archives, or unsubscribe/subscribe, use the links at > > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/ENG/ENG-LAN-FYLDE.html > > ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Mary Agnes Boyle (gerard boyle) > 2. Mary Agnes Boyle (olive) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2006 20:26:56 +0100 > From: "gerard boyle" <gerard.boyle2@btinternet.com> > Subject: [FYLDE] Mary Agnes Boyle > To: <ENG-LAN-FYLDE@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <000101c6f938$99fcbc80$5f257ad5@y2n6v2> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Thanks Lynne. I will try out your suggestion. > > By the way I managed to soft-talk the Blackpool Registry Office on the telephone into confirming from the register that the Fylde marriage did not fit my criteria. I don`t think I could have done that with a bigger office. > > Gerard > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2006 21:53:30 +0100 > From: "olive" <olive.cookson@btinternet.com> > Subject: [FYLDE] Mary Agnes Boyle > To: <eng-lan-fylde@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <001e01c6f940$ccc714a0$35538956@homepc> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; > reply-type=original > > Gerard > I missed the earlier message. The marriage that took place was registered > as Fylde. The Fylde books earlier this year were all transferred to the new > Office at Preston. > Unless you know the Church involved, there is no way to find any details > unless you buy the certificate. > You can obtain this from Preston or from GRO Office at Smedley Hydro near > Southport. > You could try emailing either Lytham Library or St Annes Library and ask if > they can help re the photographer, Directories etc. > Olive > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > To contact the ENG-LAN-FYLDE list administrator, send an email to > ENG-LAN-FYLDE-admin@rootsweb.com. > > To post a message to the ENG-LAN-FYLDE mailing list, send an email to ENG-LAN-FYLDE@rootsweb.com. > > __________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-LAN-FYLDE-request@rootsweb.com > with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body of the > email with no additional text. > > > End of ENG-LAN-FYLDE Digest, Vol 1, Issue 36 > ********************************************

Hi Beth The books referred to are the books which are held at the Register Office. There are those for births, marriages and also for deaths. Previously all the ones covering the Fylde area were held at Blackpool Register Office, but they have been moved now to Preston. So although it may say Fylde it means that you have to apply to Preston, or Southport, as I said previously. The GRO index as it stands is still the same, but the Lancashirebmd site is where there are volunteers typing up and checking indexes at various Lancashire Register Offices. These could give more information in the index, i.e. the full name, instead of Mary J, it could say Mary Jane. If this information is in the original registers when they are checked. However, you would still have to buy a certificate to obtain the full information that is included on the certificate. No other way, except if you know the Church involved and then it is possible to access the Church record. If the folks married in the Register Office, then there is no choice but to apply for a copy of the certificate. Some towns are further advanced than others, you just have to check the site for Lancashirebmd. I hope you can understand all this. I have looked for the James Crowther marriage, but it is not on the Lancs site, so you need to check the GRO one. Sorry I cannot do this, am having to go out. Smedley Hydro will do a search for you, for a bigger fee, you can look on their site for details. http://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/ http://www.lancashirebmd.org.uk/ Good luck Olive

Speak to you later, have to go now. Olive

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Hi Olive I did not pay too much attention to the earlier messages so when you say the Fylde books were moved to Preston earlier this year what exactly do you mean.? Will there be new data on the GRO index? I am missing a marriage between a Sarah Alice ORMONROYD and a James CROWTHER. between 1901 and 1905. I have her death certificate, but am having trouble with the marriage. Am hopefully writing to registrars all over the place. Regards beth in NS ----- Original Message ----- From: "olive" <olive.cookson@btinternet.com> To: <eng-lan-fylde@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2006 5:53 PM Subject: [FYLDE] Mary Agnes Boyle > Gerard > I missed the earlier message. The marriage that took place was registered > as Fylde. The Fylde books earlier this year were all transferred to the > new > Office at Preston. > Unless you know the Church involved, there is no way to find any details > unless you buy the certificate. > You can obtain this from Preston or from GRO Office at Smedley Hydro near > Southport. > You could try emailing either Lytham Library or St Annes Library and ask > if > they can help re the photographer, Directories etc. > Olive > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > EXTREMELY USEFUL SITES: > ~~ Lancashire pages: http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/LAN/ > ~~ Lancashire Family History & Heraldry Society: http://www.lfhhs.org.uk/ > ~~ Manchester & Lancashire FHS: www.mlfhs.org.uk > ~~ Lancashire Parish Register Society: > http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/LAN/lprs/ > ~~ Liverpool & SW Lancs FHS: www.liverpool-genealogy.org.uk > > > The list administrator can be reached at ENG-LAN-FYLDE-admin@RootsWeb.com > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-LAN-FYLDE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Gerard I missed the earlier message. The marriage that took place was registered as Fylde. The Fylde books earlier this year were all transferred to the new Office at Preston. Unless you know the Church involved, there is no way to find any details unless you buy the certificate. You can obtain this from Preston or from GRO Office at Smedley Hydro near Southport. You could try emailing either Lytham Library or St Annes Library and ask if they can help re the photographer, Directories etc. Olive