Hello Rosie I believe there was Albert Terrace in the region of almost opposite the Metropole Hotel. You will soon find this on a map. Is Westcliffe the name of a house or boarding house? Can you send a few more details to help and the name so I can look up the entry in 1901? Olive in Blackpool

Can anyone help? Looking for a West Cliffe, Albert Terrace in Blackpool. I have it on a 1901 census but can't trace it on any maps. Found Westcliffe but not with an Albert Terrace. The municipal ward is Claremont and Parish is Christchurch. Looks like it could be a parade of shops as all the occupations are grocers etc. My lot had a lodging house (along with the other million!)at No.1. Thanks Rosie

Forwarded with the author's kind permissoin -------- Original Message -------- >Hi > >New data and a new registration district added to the data at >www.lancashirebmd.org.uk as follows: > >6,592 marriages for Lancaster RD comprising CE marriages for Arkholme, St >John, (1864-2005); Bolton-Le-Sands, Holy Trinity, (1837-1896); Borwick, St >Mary, (1948-1986); Carnforth, Christ Church, (1875-1906); Caton >(Brookhouse), St Paul, (1937-1980); Glasson, Christ Church, (1874-1956); >Gressingham, St John The Evangelist, (1838-2000); Heysham, St Peter, >(1837-1916); Lancaster, St Anne, (1843-1920); Lancaster, St John the >Evangelist, (1885-1937); Lancaster, St Thomas, (1960-2005); Morecambe, Holy >Trinity, (1848-1880); Overton, St Helen, (1837-1985); Silverdale, St John, >(1871-1937); Whittington, St Michael The Archangel, (1838-2002). > >Thanks to all concerned for this first data for Lancaster district. AND >Further new data has been added to the databases at www.lancashirebmd.org.uk >as follows: > >7,929 births for West Lancashire (Ormskirk) RD comprising Lathom >sub-district (1903-1927). This completes coverage for Lathom which closed in >1927. > > >John > >++++++++++++ >John Marsden >Sale, Cheshire

Subject: [LAN] Growth of Blackpool Part 4 1783 First mention of Coaches being run between Manchester and Blackpool for the Conveyance of Passengers. 1785 In this year Baylies Hotel, now the Metropole commenced advertising for visitors, in the Manchester Mercury. 1786 Bonnies Hotel and the Lane Ends Hotel, afterwards called the County, now demolises to make room for Lewises Stores, both commenced advertising for visitors. At this date there were Fifty Houses in Blackpool, a Theatre in a Barn in Lane Ends Street now Church Street and Two Bowling Greens. 1788 A Gentleman named George Cook started Blackpool's first Post Office and Lending Library. 1789 "William Hutton a Gentleman from Birmingham, published a smalll book entitled "A description of Blackpool". The population of Blackpool at that time was Four Hundred. (400) 1800 First church built at Marton. The present church built in 1909. 1801 Population of Blackpool and Layton, Four Hundred and Seventy Three. (473) The population of Poulton was Seven Hundred and Nine. (709). 1807 Marton Windmill, near the sight of hte present Oxford Hotel struck by lightening and destroyed, a girl was killed. 1817 Blackpofirst school was built in Church Street. The National School, now St. Johns. 1819 A man named Thomas Moore built the first houses at South Shore. 1820 Owing to the Sea Erosion the old Ross Hall and its accompanying building had to be abonded. A new Ross Hall was built further inland, this is now part of Rosshall College. 1821 In this year a ship called "The Fanny" was wrecked off the coast, she was laden with Red and Black Flannel. The same fate happened to this cargo as happened to the Lace and Peas of Previous Wrecks. Fanny Petticoats were prevelant for years in Blackpool from this date. 1826 The first Non Conformist Chapel was built in Kent Road, then out in the fields. 1828 A building named the Grand Promenade was erected at the North East Corner of Victoria Street and Bank Hey Street. This was the first building to be erected in Blackpool as an Entertainment Theatre, it is now Shops on the ground floor and a Restuarant above. 1833 There was a Wreck at The Gynn, the crew being saved by steering for a light in one of the windows of The Old Gyn Inn, this Inn stood in the centre of what is now Gynn Square and was very old, reported about 1700. All for now. Returning soon with 1835. Helen

Hi i was born in Blackpool,now live in OZ, Are there any CORNALL,S out there,Carol Groves nee Cornall,

Good morning, A very big thank you to Olive, the Bashstreetkid, and Charlotte Wilson for pointing me in the right direction to find my grandfather's home address when he was Town Clerk in Fleetwood for a short period. The address has been identified as 73 Milton Street by the Lancashire REcords Office. Thank you all for your interest and help, Chris

Subject: [LAN] Growth of Blackpool Part 3 1643 This is one of the years of the Civil War between the King (Charles 1) and Parliament led by Oliver Cromwell. The gentry of the District were mainly Royalists and an Army was raised in the district to fight on the side of the King. This Army was commanded by Sir Walter Tyldesley of Mains Hall near Poulton, with a son of the Rigbys of Layton Hall as his second in command, they clashed with the Parliamentarians in the Battle of Wigan Lain and Sir Walter was killed and the Army defeated. In 1643 a Spanish Vessel came ashore at Rossall Beach. Both armies were after the prize, but as Cromwells army had to go round by Garstang and over Wyre where his supporters were, and Lord Derby being amongst friends was able to march right up to Layton Hawes and alongside the Fylde coast without any interference, therefore securing the Prize for the Royalists. 1650 After the death of Cromwell and the Restoration of the Monarchy, Charles the Second was very lavish with his promise to families who had suffered in the support of his father. Edward Tyldaly was one of these, for his fathers death at Wigan Lane Battle. Unfortunately for them, the King, although a good promiser was a very bad fulfiller of said promises. Edward Tyldaly of Mains Hall, having his eye on Sayton Hawes which was now drying out, built a small hall at the very South of the then Blackpool as a Seaside Residence and called it Fox Hall, here he entertained the Gentry of the district, including Horse Racing on the Hawes. Unfortunately for Edward Tyldaly he was one to whom the King did not fulfill his promise, and after continuing as a private residence for several years, eventually became a Farm House and as Blackpool developed, finished up as Licensed Premises, the present Foxall Hotel. 1735 Ernest Whiteside living in a two bedroomed house at Tumblers Hill (bottom of present Cocker Street) added two more bedrooms to his house and became the first Company House Keeper as a business. 1750 In this year it is recorded that there were Two Dozen Cottages in Blackpool, and a small Inn near where now stands the Clifton. 1751 Bowans Map of Lancashire. 1755 The Fylde Coast had its share of Shipwrecks in the old days, and being sparsely populated it was a common thing for the inhabitants to help themselves before the Coast Guards or Excise Officers could get to the wreck. In the year 1755 a ship named "The Travers" was wrecked on the coast, it had a cargo of Lace, and there was "Travers Lace" in homes all over the Fylde for years after. 1779 In 1779 owing to there being a bad Summer and poor crops, food was scarce. During the Autumn a ship was wrecked on the Coast, which among other articles was carrying a cargo of Peas, this was raided and helped out the food supply, the wreck became known as "The Pea Soup Wreck". All for now. Will be back soon with 1783. Helen

Forwarded with the author's kind permission. -------- Original Message -------- Hi Hope you are not getting tired of these! New data has been added at www.lancashirebmd.org.uk as follows: 11,882 births for Blackburn RD comprising: Witton sub-district (1876-1882; 1888-1905). The Witton sub-district was abolished in 1905 so with these births we have a full coverage of all Witton births. Thanks to Tony Foster and team for these. 15,998 births for Manchester RD comprising: Ardwick sub-district (1845-1858). Thanks to Shirley King, Phil Wharram and volunteers for these. John ++++++++++++ John Marsden Sale, Cheshire Webmaster LancashireBMD

Dear Olive, Noted, and I wish them luck, Chris ----- Original Message ----- From: "olive" <olive.cookson@btinternet.com> To: <ENG-LAN-FYLDE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, May 22, 2006 10:19 AM Subject: [FYLDE] Fleetwood Museum > Hi Chris > The Museum usually only opens during the Summer Season, it has not been > going very long and there was talk at the end of the last season that it > would close for ever. > It seems likely that there is going to be some kind of grant to enable it to > keep open this year. > I don`t know the latest, but it certainly is worth while having a look > around, although it is mainly concerned with the fishing industry. There is > also a Victorian room and other things of interest. > As it is manned by volunteers it may be that your letter could take some > time to be answered. It is not really like a lot of other museums because > it kind of began with a collection of items and has just expanded little by > little. > Olive > > > > ==== ENG-LAN-FYLDE Mailing List ==== > ~~ Keep messages on topic. "Test messages" will cause you to be unsubscribed for a week. > ~~ All off-topic posts and all announcements must be pre-approved by the list owner > ~~ Have comments, questions about administrative messages? Contact the > list owner privately at ENG-LAN-FYLDE-admin@RootsWeb.com, not on list. > > ============================== > Jumpstart your genealogy with OneWorldTree. Search not only for > ancestors, but entire generations. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13972/rd.ashx >

Hi Chris The Museum usually only opens during the Summer Season, it has not been going very long and there was talk at the end of the last season that it would close for ever. It seems likely that there is going to be some kind of grant to enable it to keep open this year. I don`t know the latest, but it certainly is worth while having a look around, although it is mainly concerned with the fishing industry. There is also a Victorian room and other things of interest. As it is manned by volunteers it may be that your letter could take some time to be answered. It is not really like a lot of other museums because it kind of began with a collection of items and has just expanded little by little. Olive

-----Original Message----- From: HelenMSul@aol.com [mailto:HelenMSul@aol.com] The County of Lancashire was formed by the amalgamation of Six Hundreds, these being The Hundred of Lonsdale in the North, which takes in the North, which takes in Furness District including Lake Coniston and about Seven Eights of Lake Windermere, Lancaster, Morecambe, nearly as far South as Pilling and across to the Yorkshire Border. The Hundred of Amounderness, or Oak Covered Swamp, taking in Pilling and Over Wyre District across to the Yorkshire Boundary taking in the Blessdake Fells, Garstange, in the South across County, cutting Preston out, but including Ashton on Ribble, and then following the river to its mouth. The Hundred of Leyland, south of the river and including Southport and halfway across the Centre Strip of the County. The Hundred of Blackburn, taking up the Eastern half of the Centre Strip. The Hundred of Salford which includes Manchester and the whole of South East Lancashire. The Hundred of Derby in the South West Lancashire including Liverpool. The first mention of the Hundred of Amounderness is is the year 661. A Hundred is one hundred rouds of Cultivable land at that date when Cultivation was all by hand, and in batches over a large area including the rough land in between, which the Head Man of the district had to keep clear of outlaws and Merenders. A Roud is equivalent to one and a half square miles. The first mention of a Duke of Lancaster was in the year 1361. In the year 1500 the West District of the Fylde was very sparsely populated, the two centres of Poulton and Bispham being the principal centres. There was St.Cuthbert's Priory, situated where Lytham Hall now stands. Waddam Thorp, on the coast, a mile out from the present Squires Gate. Singleton Thorp, just beyond the peniston rock at Bispham. Ross Hall, a Gentlemans Residence and accompaying building out towards the coast beyond the present Rossall College. At that time there was no mention of Blackpool other than the Pool, so far the Geography of Blackpool and District, now for the principal Dates in the developement of Blackpool and District. ------------------------------------------ 1532 In the year 1532 there was a large inundation by the sea which swept inland for Two Miles covering all the land from about the present Bloomfield Road, right down to the Ribble Estuary and inland to near Hawes Side Lane. Waddam Thorp was washed away and there is no record of any of the Residents surviving. This land was covered by the sea for years and then it receded to the present coast line, causing a strip of land about one mile wide and useless for years. 1555 Another sea inundation further North in which Singleton Thorp was destroyed but the inhabitants or the bulk of them escaped and traced inland and settled in what is now Singleton Village. 1602 The first mention of Blackpool is found in th Register of Bispham Parish Church in the year 1602 in which is recorded the Christinary on September 22nd of that year of a Child belonging to a Couple who reside on the Bank of the Black Pool. All for now. More to come starting at1643. Helen

Dear Olive, Many thanks for all that. I'll try them all and see what turns up. I found a museum at Fleetwood and have dropped them a line too. Again, Many thanks for the pointers, Chris ----- Original Message ----- From: "olive" <olive.cookson@btinternet.com> To: <ENG-LAN-FYLDE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, May 21, 2006 5:45 PM Subject: [FYLDE] Fleetwood > Dear Chris > As you have the cutting from the paper, it might be worth emailing Blackpool > Library and asking if they have something in the papers that they hold. I > will give you the address for this > central.library@blackpool.gov.uk > Ask for Tony and say Olive sent you. No I am not a spy!! > Also may be worth an email to Harris Library at Preston, they have the > Lancashire Post and the information may be in there also. > I belive Wyre now covers Fleetwood, at one time it would be Lancashire > County Council. These things have changed so much over the years. > I think an email to the Library would help you. Fleetwood Library has a > good Local and Family History section, and if there is nothing there I am > sure they would point you in the right direction, which I suspect could be > County Hall at Preston. > Maybe there is an entry in a Directory, you could ask for a look up in these > for the appropriate years are both Fleetwood and Harris. > Good luck > Olive > > > > > ==== ENG-LAN-FYLDE Mailing List ==== > To UNSUBSCRIBE, RE-SUBSCRIBE, contact the list owner, or view the ARCHIVES, use the links at > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/ENG/ENG-LAN-FYLDE.html > > ============================== > Find your ancestors in the Birth, Marriage and Death Records. > New content added every business day. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13964/rd.ashx >

In a message dated 22/05/2006 10:20:34 GMT Daylight Time, olive.cookson@btinternet.com writes: It is not really like a lot of other museums because it kind of began with a collection of items and has just expanded little by little. Olive Hi Olive There is a site for Fleetwood Museum. If you type Fleetwood Museum Netting the Bay in your searchbox it should come up ok. Regards Jacqui Kilcoyne

Good luck Jackie. I have not been out to take the photographs, got rained off yet again. I will get there eventually. Olive

Thanks Olive for that - I have emailed them & await there reply. I really appreciate all of your knowledge of the area. Jackie snip> Just looked for a grave stone, but cannot find one. Maybe you could email the Carleton Office and see if he is buried at Layton without a grave stone. Olive

http://www.stkentigerns.co.uk/ Someone sent me this link, so if anyone is interested in the above Church there are a few photographs included. Olive

Dear Chris As you have the cutting from the paper, it might be worth emailing Blackpool Library and asking if they have something in the papers that they hold. I will give you the address for this central.library@blackpool.gov.uk Ask for Tony and say Olive sent you. No I am not a spy!! Also may be worth an email to Harris Library at Preston, they have the Lancashire Post and the information may be in there also. I belive Wyre now covers Fleetwood, at one time it would be Lancashire County Council. These things have changed so much over the years. I think an email to the Library would help you. Fleetwood Library has a good Local and Family History section, and if there is nothing there I am sure they would point you in the right direction, which I suspect could be County Hall at Preston. Maybe there is an entry in a Directory, you could ask for a look up in these for the appropriate years are both Fleetwood and Harris. Good luck Olive

Dear Olive, Thank you very much for your reply. I'm in the very lucky position of having a family cutting's book started by my grandmother which includes the original dated cuttings from the Fleetwood Chronicle giving reports on my grandfather's appointment as Clerk to Fleetwood Council in 1907 and his retirement in 1911 for a posting in Surbiton, however they makes no reference to his setting up as an independant solicitor (shortly after his appointment as new Clerk to the Council), and neither reports indicate his home address, which is understandable. The Law Society have not been able to help me regarding his private work. My grandfather was an active member of the Urban District Councils association and gave lectures at the Guild Hall on the National Insurance bill's effect on local authorities, and so forth. Unfortunately he died in 1923 in a road accident Would you have any thoughts where Fleetwood Council records may now be kept, as they should include refernce to his home address? Is the Town Hall still functioning or has the local government of Fleetwood been absorbed into a larger district? I'm only guessing but I think he set up as an independant solicitor. I could be wrong. It's only a brief period in his life but filling in the details would be most satisfactory. I've never had the pleasure of visiting your part of the world and so any guidance will be much appreciated, Chris ----- Original Message ----- From: "olive" <olive.cookson@btinternet.com> To: <ENG-LAN-FYLDE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, May 21, 2006 2:45 PM Subject: [FYLDE] Fleetwood > Hello Chris, > Well to take a photograph is no problem, but to find the house, well, that > is the first plan. > Maybe if you contact the Fleetwood Library they may be able to help you. > I would imagine there would be some write up in the local paper, but without > a date searching through a reel of film is difficult. > There may be electoral rolls, but I don`t know where the old ones for > Fleetwood would be kept. > Do you know if he practiced as a Solicitor as a solo Solicitor or with > partners, maybe this would help. > Hope I have given you some ideas. > Olive >

Hello Chris, Well to take a photograph is no problem, but to find the house, well, that is the first plan. Maybe if you contact the Fleetwood Library they may be able to help you. I would imagine there would be some write up in the local paper, but without a date searching through a reel of film is difficult. There may be electoral rolls, but I don`t know where the old ones for Fleetwood would be kept. Do you know if he practiced as a Solicitor as a solo Solicitor or with partners, maybe this would help. Hope I have given you some ideas. Olive

This is the first of an eight part history of the growth of Blackpool which first appeared in July 2002 on the Lancashire site. It was provided by Helen at the address below and she has kindly agreed to have it reposted on the Fylde site. Regards Peter in NZ. -----Original Message----- From: HelenMSul@aol.com [mailto:HelenMSul@aol.com] Sent: Tuesday, 23 July 2002 11:00 p.m. To: LANCSGEN-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [LAN] Growth of Blackpool Part 1 Whilst clearing out papers and belongings from my recently deceased Gt Aunt I came across these notes on the Growth of the County Borough of Blackpool in the County of Lancashire, so I thought I would post these to the list. As the dates span from 1500 to 1926 I will post them in several stages. I have copied the Dates from various History Books of Blackpool and the Fylde which I have read, but chiefly from the Government Survey Book Amunderness, published in the year 1934. To thoroughly understand the History of a District over a few Centuries you must know its Geography. The first Map of the Fylde or Saxon for Field was published about the year 1500 and shows the Coastline to extend One Mile further out into Morecambe Bay than it does now, also two miles further out into the Irish sea at Rischall Point, receding to One Mile further out at halfway down the coast (that would be Bispham), and continuing still one mile out until it reaches the mouth of the Ribble. The Map shows the River Wyre as a tributary of the River Lune, hence the name Lune Deeps. Marton Moss was a swamp and a small brook drained from it running North West, called Spen Brook this was widened and deepened later to the Moss and renamed Spen Dyke. This Brook or Dyke emptied into a pool situated in a large Depression about a mile (in those days) from the sea, and owing to the colour of the water was given the name THE BLACKPOOL. Further East was a lake running East and West for four and a half miles, by half a mile wide. This had an overflow at the West end, this ran through what is now Marton, and joined the Spen Brook in the vicinity of what is now known as Spen Corner, the junction of Waterloo Road, Ansdell Road and Hawes Side Lane. The Lake was Marton Mere and ran from about what is now East Park Drive to beyond Peel. The Black Pool was situated in a hollow at the North end about the present Chapel Street or Princess Street and the South near Spion Cop end of the Football Field. This Pool had an overflow through a small Gynn which ran through what is now Manchester Square to the sea. There is no mention of Roman Occupation in any book that I have read, the nearest is Kirkham where the remains of a small Bath Building on the stump of the Roman Bath, were found in excavating at the beginning of the Centuary. There is also the Roman Road running through Kirkham and on towards Fleetwood to the Supposed Roman port of Portus Setantian, two miles out from the present Fleetwood. This road was afterwards called Daines Pad. This was the layout of the Coastal Strip of the Fylde in the Hundred of Amunderness. All for now. More to come soon. Helen ==== LANCSGEN Mailing List ==== List Owner is: DOT STUTTER: dstutter@shaw.ca Assistants: Julie Vandersluys & Craig Pickup Reach the Duty Admin at LANCSGEN-admin@rootsweb.com