Hi all, Following this message are several extracts mentioning Eccles, taken from The Manchester Guardian. Each of these extracts has a reference number on it, this is my indexing system and not part of the extract, I have left it on so that when these names eventually appear in an index on the web page, you will know by the ref. number that you have already seen them. Regards, Carol - List Owner (Tree Tops) FAMILY TREE & WE’LL MEET AGAIN - Free Query Service: SKY NEWS British TV Text Pages 267 & 268, http://freespace.virgin.net/tree.tops/ http://freespace.virgin.net/tt.indexes/ http://freespace.virgin.net/genealogical.collections

10 Clarendon Rd, doesn't exist anymore. The last house on this road is @ no 20. There is a large block of flats called Kemball House, where no 10 should be. Yes the houses were "rather grand" It lies between Wellington Rd and Half Edge Lane, Eccles Here is the 1881 census for this address The surrounding properties were all inhabited by affluent people Hope this helps Nora UK Dwelling: 10 Clarendon Rd Census Place: Barton Upon Irwell, Lancashire, England Source: FHL Film 1341927 PRO Ref RG11 Piece 3881 Folio 46 Page 31 Marr Age Sex Birthplace William HOWIE M 37 M Scotland Rel: Head Occ: Drugt Traveller Christina HOWIE M 27 F Scotland Rel: Wife Ann HOWIE W 71 F Scotland Rel: Mother Sarah PORTER U 22 F Brompton, Cumberland, England Rel: Servant Occ: Gen Serv

Can anyone tell me about the property at this address? I have some correspondence from 1921-1926 from the FOX family (John, wife Elizabeth/Bessie [nee ANDREWS], daughter Betty/Elizabeth[?] and daughter Jessie/Janet[?]). A 1926 letter indicates Betty would probably marry a Percy GANDY that summer and that rental homes were very difficult to find; that problem seemed to be delaying the marriage. Family legend is that Percy was with the British Foreign Service, and that might have been why they were looking for a rental rather than a house to buy. (Further, according to word-of-mouth family history, Betty and Percy ended up in Capetown, So. Africa; the implication is that he was sent there by the BFS.) A Scottish cousin and g. nephew of Bessie, visited the family in the mid 1920s (albeit as a young child of 4 or 5), but his memory is that the house was "rather grand". On one of the letters, up by the return address, there's the notation "Nr. Manchester". I suppose that indicates what end of the road the home is near? Obviously (or maybe it's not so obvious) it's the family in which I'm interested. I can't get past the proverbial brick wall on any of them! Bessie and John were surprisingly found in the 1900 census for Denver, CO, living with Bessie's recently widowed mother; they had been married less than a year and were expecting Betty (up until that sighting we would have sworn none of them had ever set foot in America!) I would guess the earliest this family unit could have resided at 10 Clarendon Road would have been 1901 (does anyone have access to the 1901 census? The 1891 census? 1881?). But at least one of the letters that were written in the twenties indicates that, while they were certainly not poverty stricken, money was tight. For that reason I wonder if John FOX had inherited the house from his parents, or initially moved in with them. And I'm anxious to learn about his family too. John FOX indicated his occupation as "chemist" on the 1900 CO census. In one of his letters he mentions a brother (without mentioning his brother's given name), and in one of Bessie's letters she mentions John's sister by the name of Kate. In the scenario that immediately comes to mind (particularly if John turns out to be the eldest son, which, if he actually did inherit the house, would only seem to be right), "John" would be his father's given name as well. In addition he might have followed in his father's footsteps in regard to occupation. Family legend is that John made a killing through his affiliation with a company that owned asbestos mines in So. Africa. After pursuing that for awhile I noticed that one of his letters was on the stationey of Ashanti Mines (Ashanti is a gold mine [as I found out from a Google search]), and is in West Africa to boot! At this point that avenue of research is more confusing than revealing. Any help, thoughts, ideas of where the key to solving the "mystery" of this family might lie would be greatly appreciated!

Hello Roger Very much enjoyed your website - had some trouble bringing the pages down, but got there eventually. A number of my families are in the Eccles area and I found the site most informative - I like plenty of background material for the areas I am researching. My lot are more likely to be Catholic than Wesleyan, but decided to have a look anyway and found some of the links did not work. Anyway, thanks for the opportunity to look. Researching in this area: DARCY; GRIMSHAW; BRIERLEY; GARDNER Regards Joan (Tauranga, New Zealand) jwillcock@xtra.co.nz " - in the beautiful Bay of Plenty, where summer is here, and it's hot now the rain has stopped!" * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * For all your computer requirements check out Computer Pulse Online - http://www.computerpulse.co.nz * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * Roger Hart wrote: > > Sorry All, > > The "Not Found" message has been caused by a word wrap occurring, > the ".htm" at the end lost its association with the URL and so the > "HTTP 404 File Not Found" message. > > I retried from a self addressed e-mail with the same result. > > To bypass this problem try :- > > http://www.mancuniensis.btinternet.co.uk/ > > click on "Barton Wesleyan Chapel Burials" and you will see just > below the Rose a hyperlink to the Historical Notes. > > My apologies, > > Roger Hart, > Little Lever, Bolton, UK. > > ==== ENG-LAN-ECCLES Mailing List ==== > Want details of Mailing Lists? > http://www.cadvision.com/traces/cj/cjmlists.htm > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

June, add the .htm to the end of the addy - it seems to have dropped to the next line in Roger.s email. It works fine then. Carol Rothwell Subject: Re: [ECCLES] Barton Wesleyan History and Photo's > Hi Roger, > I tried to get on and it was Page cannot be found > June graveyard. > > > > The article "Historical Notes on Barton Wesleyan Chapel" by Richard Gill, > > can be found at :- > http://www.mancuniensis.btinternet.co.uk/BartonWesleyanChapel/BWCHistoryFPX. > > htm > > > > > > Roger Hart, > > Little Lever, Bolton, UK. > > > > Web site :- http:www.mancuniensis.btinternet.co.uk/ > > > > > > > > ==== ENG-LAN-ECCLES Mailing List ==== > > Want details of Mailing Lists? > > http://www.cadvision.com/traces/cj/cjmlists.htm > > > > ============================== > > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, > go to: > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > > > > ==== ENG-LAN-ECCLES Mailing List ==== > Have you used Tree Tops? > The Free FAMILY TREE & WE'LL MEET AGAIN SERVICE > http://freespace.virgin.net/tree.tops > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >

Sorry All, The "Not Found" message has been caused by a word wrap occurring, the ".htm" at the end lost its association with the URL and so the "HTTP 404 File Not Found" message. I retried from a self addressed e-mail with the same result. To bypass this problem try :- http://www.mancuniensis.btinternet.co.uk/ click on "Barton Wesleyan Chapel Burials" and you will see just below the Rose a hyperlink to the Historical Notes. My apologies, Roger Hart, Little Lever, Bolton, UK.

Hi Roger, I tried to get on and it was Page cannot be found June ----- Original Message ----- From: "Roger Hart" <Roger9@btinternet.com> To: <ENG-LAN-ECCLES-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2002 10:07 AM Subject: [ECCLES] Barton Wesleyan History and Photo's > Hi All, > > For all people interested in Barton Wesleyan Chapel, Barton-upon-Irwell. > I have placed an article that appeared in the Eccles Advertiser? around > the late 1890's. Inserted are three photo's taken by Eric Heaton of the > chapel and graveyard. > > The article "Historical Notes on Barton Wesleyan Chapel" by Richard Gill, > can be found at :- > > > http://www.mancuniensis.btinternet.co.uk/BartonWesleyanChapel/BWCHistoryFPX. > htm > > > Roger Hart, > Little Lever, Bolton, UK. > > Web site :- http:www.mancuniensis.btinternet.co.uk/ > > > > ==== ENG-LAN-ECCLES Mailing List ==== > Want details of Mailing Lists? > http://www.cadvision.com/traces/cj/cjmlists.htm > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >

Hi All, For all people interested in Barton Wesleyan Chapel, Barton-upon-Irwell. I have placed an article that appeared in the Eccles Advertiser? around the late 1890's. Inserted are three photo's taken by Eric Heaton of the chapel and graveyard. The article "Historical Notes on Barton Wesleyan Chapel" by Richard Gill, can be found at :- http://www.mancuniensis.btinternet.co.uk/BartonWesleyanChapel/BWCHistoryFPX. htm Roger Hart, Little Lever, Bolton, UK. Web site :- http:www.mancuniensis.btinternet.co.uk/

Forwarded by List Owner - Please do not reply to original sender -----Original Message----- From: bernard gresty <berliz@bigpond.com> To: ENG-LAN-ECCLES-L-request@rootsweb.com <ENG-LAN-ECCLES-L-request@rootsweb.com> Date: 14 January, 2002 09:20 Subject: GRESTY - Joseph >Hi listers, > >Anyone have any information on a Joseph GRESTY, born 1889 (possibly in >Eccles district). We would love to be able to confirm this. I believe >that his father, Thomas GRESTY (b. 1865), was born in Liverpool and married >Mary Ann WEBB in 1887. > >Happy New Year, > >Bernie Gresty >Australia >

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Hi Listers, I am new to genealogy and have been in Australia for 30 years, so would be very appreciative of any help from the Lancashire list regarding the above-named people. John GRESTY ...b. 1825-35 m. Miss BRAMHALL Ch: David, Liza, Mary, Jane, John Thomas, George John Thomas GRESTY .....b. 1855-65 m. Mary Ann WEBB 1887 Ch: Joseph, John, Sarah Elizabeth, William, May. Joseph GRESTY ......b. 1899, died 23rd May, 1977 m. Annie HOLLAND-DANNATT Ch: Annie, Joseph, Mary, William, Norah, Ethel, Henry, Irene, Edith, Muriel, John. Thanking you in anticipation. Happy New Year, Bernie Gresty

Hi, The following message was sent to Tree Tops by Les Hampson regarding his company’s proposal for Barton Methodist Church. Please feel free to pass it around. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Reference: Recent articles in the local Advertiser. I fear that they have more to do with selling newspapers than accurately informing the public. Abbotsound Ltd does not intend to exhume any remains on the above site in order to build the 32 apartments. Abbotsound Ltd has worked closely with Salford Planners and conservation officers in order to come up with a satisfactory developement which is sympathetic to the local residents and the families of the people buried there. The Company has also forwarded a copy of the proposed developement along with all existing site plans to the Home Office who based on this information do not consider that we require a licence as no remains are to be disturbed. However as there is a possibility that there maybe remains that are not marked on the documentation available the Home Office recommended that we apply for a licence anyway. Hence the 2 statutory notices on the 13th and 20th of December in the local Advertiser. Mark Iles. the reporter accepts that the headlines in the Advertiser on 3rd of January are misleading, to say the least, and arrangements have been made to rectify the situation. Anyone who has an interest or who is concerned about the proposed developement is welcome to contact:- Abbotsound Ltd, The Links Resource Centre, 21,Cromwell Rd, Eccles M30 OPX Les Hampson.

Hi Bernie, Sorry forgot to put them in GRESTY, Ann Chr 1815 LANC Fa: William GRESTY Mo: Hannah GRESTY Joseph GRESTY Joseph Matilda C161402 2621336 GRESTY, Joseph Chr 1864 LANC Fa: Joseph GRESTY Mo: Matilda GRESTY Elizabeth GRESTY Joseph Matilda C161402 2621337 GRESTY, Elizabeth Chr 1864 LANC Fa: Joseph GRESTY Mo: Matilda GRESTY Joseph GRESTY Joseph Matilda C161402 2623374 GRESTY, Joseph Chr 1866 LANC Fa: Joseph GRESTY Mo: Matilda GRESTY Thomas GRESTY William Mary C007973 313999 GRESTY, Thomas Chr 1869 LANC Fa: William Leo GRESTY Mo: Mary Martha GRESTY Albert GRESTY Thomas Mary C167341 2912640 GRESTY, Albert Edward John Bir 1873 <STAF> Fa: Thomas GRESTY Mo: Mary ----- Original Message ----- From: "bernard gresty" <berliz@bigpond.com> To: <ENG-LAN-ECCLES-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2002 4:09 PM Subject: [ECCLES] GRESTY, BRAMHALL, WEBB, HOLLAND-DANNATT > Hi Listers, > > I am new to genealogy and have been in Australia for 30 years, so would be > very appreciative of any help from the Lancashire list regarding the > above-named people. > > John GRESTY ...b. 1825-35 > m. Miss BRAMHALL > Ch: David, Liza, Mary, Jane, John Thomas, George > > John Thomas GRESTY .....b. 1855-65 > m. Mary Ann WEBB 1887 > Ch: Joseph, John, Sarah Elizabeth, William, May. > > Joseph GRESTY ......b. 1899, died 23rd May, 1977 > m. Annie HOLLAND-DANNATT > Ch: Annie, Joseph, Mary, William, Norah, Ethel, > Henry, Irene, Edith, Muriel, John. > > Thanking you in anticipation. > > Happy New Year, > > Bernie Gresty > > > ==== ENG-LAN-ECCLES Mailing List ==== > Have you tried? > C J Genealogical Collections > Web Page http://freespace.virgin.net/genealogical.collections > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >

Hi Bernie, Are these any help, more details if you want them June ----- Original Message ----- From: "bernard gresty" <berliz@bigpond.com> To: <ENG-LAN-ECCLES-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2002 4:09 PM Subject: [ECCLES] GRESTY, BRAMHALL, WEBB, HOLLAND-DANNATT > Hi Listers, > > I am new to genealogy and have been in Australia for 30 years, so would be > very appreciative of any help from the Lancashire list regarding the > above-named people. > > John GRESTY ...b. 1825-35 > m. Miss BRAMHALL > Ch: David, Liza, Mary, Jane, John Thomas, George > > John Thomas GRESTY .....b. 1855-65 > m. Mary Ann WEBB 1887 > Ch: Joseph, John, Sarah Elizabeth, William, May. > > Joseph GRESTY ......b. 1899, died 23rd May, 1977 > m. Annie HOLLAND-DANNATT > Ch: Annie, Joseph, Mary, William, Norah, Ethel, > Henry, Irene, Edith, Muriel, John. > > Thanking you in anticipation. > > Happy New Year, > > Bernie Gresty > > > ==== ENG-LAN-ECCLES Mailing List ==== > Have you tried? > C J Genealogical Collections > Web Page http://freespace.virgin.net/genealogical.collections > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >

I am looking for the list that would encompass Eccleston in the County of Lancaster and County Borough of St. Helen's. Is this the correct list? Brenda Stewart Reeder

Could SKS please do a lookup in the 1901 Eccles census for FOX, John, wife Elizabeth/Bessie (nee ANDREWS), and daughter Betty/Elizabeth (age approx. 1 yr.: [birthdate July 21, 1900]). Possible address: 10 Clarendon Road, Eccles. It's also possible that they are living with his parents (whose given names unfortunately I don't know) at either the Clarendon Road address or another. By the mid 1920s they were definitely living at the Clarendon Road address (by that time a second daughter had joined them), and the house was supposed to have been rather grand; the thought that they might have inherited the home from John's parents has occurred to me. Thanks in advance for any help you can give me!

Could SKS look for a JAMES HOWARTH in the Hulme area of Manchester. In 1867 his profession was an Overlocker. He had a daughter MARGARET who would have been 16 years old Many thanks Nora

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