Hi Roger, Would you like to forward the correct address for Salford Planning Department again especially for those who might have put it in a safe place - like me. Thanks, Carol - List Owner (Tree Tops) -----Original Message----- From: Roger Hart <Roger9@btinternet.com> To: ENG-LAN-ECCLES-L@rootsweb.com <ENG-LAN-ECCLES-L@rootsweb.com> Date: 13 February, 2002 19:06 Subject: [ECCLES] Barton Wesleyan Graveyard re-development and Monumental Inscriptions Hi all, A message has been passed to me, originating from the Salford Planning Department, requesting that people who have complained in writing direct to Les Hampson (the Developer) should also forward a copy of the letter to the Planning Department, if they have not done so already. This is to enable Salford Council Planning Officers to gage the true number of objections and the concerns of All objectors. The planning application will now be heard on the 7th March. I would also like to add a thank you to Carroll Treetops and Mike, who have taken on the task of answering requests for monumental inscriptions from Barton Wesleyan. The transcription was carried out by the MLFHS some 25 years ago and took nine members 1000 hours to transcribe the rear graveyard. The rear graveyard is again being transcribed, this time a full transcription is being attempted before half of it disappears under a car park. The main difference's with what was done in the past and what is being done now is that the transcription will be in full and in the same format as on the stone. Verses, numbers and mason's information will be included and it is hoped to photograph each stone. The MLFHS transcription only contains information that is directly of interest to genealogists. Verses excreta are missing although grave numbers were included where known. Please could people forward there objections to Salford Planning, if they have not done so already, Roger Hart, Little Lever, Bolton, UK. ==== ENG-LAN-ECCLES Mailing List ==== Want details of Mailing Lists? http://www.cadvision.com/traces/cj/cjmlists.htm ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

Hi all, A message has been passed to me, originating from the Salford Planning Department, requesting that people who have complained in writing direct to Les Hampson (the Developer) should also forward a copy of the letter to the Planning Department, if they have not done so already. This is to enable Salford Council Planning Officers to gage the true number of objections and the concerns of All objectors. The planning application will now be heard on the 7th March. I would also like to add a thank you to Carroll Treetops and Mike, who have taken on the task of answering requests for monumental inscriptions from Barton Wesleyan. The transcription was carried out by the MLFHS some 25 years ago and took nine members 1000 hours to transcribe the rear graveyard. The rear graveyard is again being transcribed, this time a full transcription is being attempted before half of it disappears under a car park. The main difference's with what was done in the past and what is being done now is that the transcription will be in full and in the same format as on the stone. Verses, numbers and mason's information will be included and it is hoped to photograph each stone. The MLFHS transcription only contains information that is directly of interest to genealogists. Verses excreta are missing although grave numbers were included where known. Please could people forward there objections to Salford Planning, if they have not done so already, Roger Hart, Little Lever, Bolton, UK.

Hello Larry, I have now looked for ECCLES among the Barton Wesleyan Chapel monumental inscriptions and have found three groups. Others on the List may also be interested. Edmund ECCLES (labourer, son of Edmund) 20 July 1878, aged 62 his first wife Mary 7 Sept. 1874, aged 68 daughter Mary 17 Feb. 1879, aged 18 months No. 146 -------------------------------------------------------------------- Thomas ECCLES (overlooker of Eccles) 20 Oct. 1870, aged 53 his wife Hannah 12 Feb. 1873, aged 54 No. 623 or 597 sic ----------------------------------------------------------------------- William ECCLES (joiner) 30 Dec. 1905, aged 70 his wife Margaret Anne 31 March 1912, aged 81 Dora Hannah born 7 August 1866, died 15 Dec. 1902 ----------------------------------------------------------------- Regards, Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: "Larry" <lawjones@oz.net> To: "mikehal" <mikehal@blueyonder.co.uk> Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2002 5:21 PM Subject: Re: [ECCLES] Barton Wesleyan Chapel monumental inscriptions > Hello, Mike. Thanks for the offer. I am very interested in all > Eccles-surnamed individuals. My Samuel, son of John and Alice, etc. Most > if not all will be family. Thank you, Larry Jones > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "mikehal" <mikehal@blueyonder.co.uk> > To: <ENG-LAN-ECCLES-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, February 04, 2002 6:39 AM > Subject: [ECCLES] Barton Wesleyan Chapel monumental inscriptions > >

Richard, I found the following two references to BARLOW in the Barton Wesleyan Chapel monumental inscriptions, which I will also copy to the List. David BARLOW (gentleman of Monton) died 24 Dec. 1900, aged 60 his wife Mary Ellen 8 March 1902, aged 62 daughter Lois 26 Oct. 1876, aged 4 No. 167 old yard --------------------------------------------------------- Ernest BARLOW (iron turner of Patricroft) died 18 Jan. 1878, aged 51 his wife Ann 1 March 1892, aged 66 Mary Jane TAYLOR daughter 7 June 1926, aged 73 Joseph TAYLOR husband 5 August 1926, aged 75 No. 497 ----------------------------------------------------- Regards, Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Burfitt" <RBurfitt@ccc.gr> To: "'mikehal'" <mikehal@blueyonder.co.uk> Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2002 1:22 PM > Mike - - - you wouldn't have any HARRIS(S)ONs, ALLENs or BARLOWs there would > you ??? > > Regards > RICHARD BURFITT > > RESEARCHING : > BAREFOOT/BURFITT - Berks/Bucks, 1500 to 1900 > HARRIS(S)ON - London, 1750 to 1850 > - Bury/Manchester, 1820 to 1900 > McNAUGHTON - Antrim, 1750 to 1850 > - Ayrshire/Renfrew, 1810 to 1900 >

Hello Richard I have looked for ALLEN amongst the monumental inscriptions for Barton Wesleyan Chapel and found the following which I will also copy to the List. Ann wife of James ALLEN (blacksmith of Openshaw) died 10 August 1878, aged 53 Walter son of Ann and James, 26 Jan. 1854, aged 1 year 5 months Sarah wife of James ALLEN (Walkden) 6 August 1894, aged 65 James ALLEN 20 June 1896, aged 74 Joseph son of Ann and James ALLEN 18 Nov. 1854, aged 1 year 3 months No. 121, old yard ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Thomas ALLEN (salesman of Pendleton) died 17 March 1879, aged 64 his wife Sarah 24 Jan. 1872, aged 54 No. 558 ------------------------------------------------------- Regards, Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Burfitt" <RBurfitt@ccc.gr> To: "'mikehal'" <mikehal@blueyonder.co.uk> Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2002 1:22 PM > Mike - - - you wouldn't have any HARRIS(S)ONs, ALLENs or BARLOWs there would > you ??? > > Regards > RICHARD BURFITT > > RESEARCHING : > BAREFOOT/BURFITT - Berks/Bucks, 1500 to 1900 > HARRIS(S)ON - London, 1750 to 1850 > - Bury/Manchester, 1820 to 1900 > McNAUGHTON - Antrim, 1750 to 1850 > - Ayrshire/Renfrew, 1810 to 1900 >

Hello Richard, I have looked for HARRISONs amongst the monumental inscriptions for Barton Wesleyan Chapel and have found the following which I will also copy to the List in case someone else is researching the name. John HARRISON (secretary of Hulme){ memorial linked to the Sons of Temperance} 12 Feb. 1879, aged 64 his wife Martha 6 May 1881, aged 64 grandson John 25 Oct. 1886, aged 16 ------------------------------------------- William HARRISON (labourer, Patricroft) 20 March 1886, aged 60 his wife Margaret 14 April 1899, aged 73 daughter Agnes 1 Oct. 1874, aged 14 years and 9 months son George 3 July 1917, aged 64 No. 152 --------------------------------------------------- Thomas HARRISON (weaver, Patricroft) 21 April 1878, aged 67 his wife Margaret 10 July 1844, aged 37 his second wife Mary 9 Oct. 1868, aged 58 No. 197, old yard --------------------------------------------------------- I hope you can find a link. Regards, Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Burfitt" <RBurfitt@ccc.gr> To: "'mikehal'" <mikehal@blueyonder.co.uk> Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2002 1:22 PM > Mike - - - you wouldn't have any HARRIS(S)ONs, ALLENs or BARLOWs there would > you ??? > > Regards > RICHARD BURFITT > > RESEARCHING : > BAREFOOT/BURFITT - Berks/Bucks, 1500 to 1900 > HARRIS(S)ON - London, 1750 to 1850 > - Bury/Manchester, 1820 to 1900 > McNAUGHTON - Antrim, 1750 to 1850 > - Ayrshire/Renfrew, 1810 to 1900 >

Just posting my interests SAVILLE Bradford Yorkshire, Hulme, Eccles WILLIAMSON Ribchester, Leigh BIRCHALL Ribchester, Lowton GRAY Bradfrod Yorkshire JENNINGS Galway Eire BAILEY Leigh and Eccles HOWARTH Hulme and Eccles HIGGS Manchester and Eccles Regards Nora

Hello Margaret and List. As requested below, I have looked for LOWEs and PILLINGs amongst the inscriptions. There is one reference for each, as follows John LOWE (shop keeper of Manchester, brother of James) 26 August 1869, aged 70 his wife Alice 26 Jan. 1852, aged 51 his second wife Ann (Sale) 20 April 1880, aged 65 Peggy Barlow 30 March 1856, aged 83 Elizabeth Rogerson 5 Dec. 1859 No. 69 ----------------------------------------------- Thomas PILLING (pattern maker, Patricroft) 11 April 1884, aged 59 his wife Ellen 9 Feb. 1877, aged 50 son Thomas 18 April 1876, aged 16 daughter Mary Ellen (Shawcross, wife of John) 11 Feb. 1895, aged 38 son Peter 16 Jan. 1897, aged 44 daughter Margaret 16 Nov. 1900, aged 38 No. 44 ----------------------------------------------- Regards, Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter Southern" <Southern@care4free.net> To: <ENG-LAN-ECCLES-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, February 04, 2002 8:18 PM Subject: Re: [ECCLES] Barton Wesleyan Chapel monumental inscriptions > Hi > I would be grateful if you could look on the LDS film to see if there are > any of my LOWE family - christian names include Samuel, Annie, Harry, James, > Mary Hannah, Clare Annie, Eva, Jessie Gertrude, James Addison, Alice > Mary,William, Mary,k George, Herbert, Thomas, Frank, Percy, Gertrude. > Also PILLING family - Richard, Sarah, Emma, Annie Elizabeth, Sarah > Elizabeth, John, Polly, Frederick. > Many thanks > Margaret Southern >

I was asked to look for FOXs and GANDYs among the memorial inscriptions for Barton Wesleyan Chapel. I found no GANDYs and only one FOX, as below. William FOX (joiner, Patricroft) 28 March 1877, aged 65 his wife Sarah 23 Feb. 1876, aged 67 No.607 Regards, Mike

Hello Maggi, I found some CHADWICKs (4 groups) buried at the Chapel. I will reply to the List as well because they might not be yours and being a small focussed group the entries may well link to someone else. Henry CHADWICK (mechanic, 8 Tadcaster St., Openshaw, earlier Patricroft) 12 June 1913, aged 67 his wife Mary Elizabeth 5 October 1887, aged 42 son John Robert 23 Nov. 1878, aged 9 mths son Alfred 19 April 1899, aged 32 Robert CHADWICK (boat builder) husband of Alice 28 Nov. 1877 Alice wife of Robert 7 June 1874, aged 71 No. 108 ------------------------------------------------------------ James CHADWICK (painter of Barton) 27 Dec. 1864, aged 56 his wife Mary Ann 5 March 1875, aged 53 daughter Sarah 1 March 1910, aged 67 daughter Mary Allen 20 Jan. 1926, aged 81 ---------------------------------------------------------------- John CHADWICK (gentleman of Barton, father of Mark) 29 Dec. 1874, aged 73 his wife Mary 13 May 1870, aged 69 daughter Jane Crook 29 May 1872, aged 33 son Moses 26 August 1872, aged 35 son Alfred son of Mark CHADWICK 19 Jan. 1876, aged 20 No. 656 ----------------------------------------------------------------- William CHADWICK (stonemason of Patricroft) died 18 March 1877, aged 45 his wife Margaret 18 June 1902, aged 72 son Robert 13 Jan. 1889, aged 32 son Sandy 2 August 1892, aged 22 son Richard 18 Oct. 1891, aged 37? sic daughter Miriam McLean 30 Dec. 1926, aged 75 ---------------------------- The dates appear to refer to dates of death rather than internment. Best regards, Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: <Maggi63@aol.com> To: <ENG-LAN-ECCLES-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, February 04, 2002 9:27 PM Subject: Re: [ECCLES] Barton Wesleyan Chapel monumental inscriptions > hiya mike!!! > PLEASE!!!!! could you look to see if there are any chadwicks, buried there? > thanks,,,,,,,,,maggi > > ______________________________

www.salford.gov.uk/library/Libraries/local_history.htm gives the buses as 8,9,12,21,28,30,31,32,34,35,36,65,67,68,100 and for Rail Salford Crescent Station (5 mins) hope this is of help,apparently Walkden Library also has a local history section. Sheila ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter Southern" <Southern@care4free.net> To: <ENG-LAN-ECCLES-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, February 11, 2002 9:24 AM Subject: Re: [ECCLES] Patricroft Congregational Church > Hello Christine > After e-mailing you I remembered a book listing Memorial Inscriptions in > Lancashire and looked up Patricroft. > Lo and behold, I found that there are some memorial inscriptions for > Patricroft Congregational Church which are recorded and can be consulted at > Salford Library - no doubt the Local History Library which is in the same > building as Salford Art Gallery. A phone call to them would be worthwhile to > confirm this. Presumably it was an old graveyard which is now closed. > What is more, according to the book, Salford Library also has the following > other records of Memorial Inscriptions > Eccles - St Mary the Virgin > Patricroft - George St Chapel > Worsley - St Mark > The Local History Library is open Tues, Thurs, Fri 10 - 5 and Wed 10 - 8 > If you want to visit Peel Green Cemetery their phone no is 0161-789-1901. > I'm afraid I don't know about the buses but I should think the Cemetery and > the Library could tell you which buses to catch to reach them. > If you wanted to go into the centre of Eccles the new Metro link goes > there. > I hope all that is helpful > Margaret > > > ==== ENG-LAN-ECCLES Mailing List ==== > Have you used Tree Tops? > The Free FAMILY TREE & WE'LL MEET AGAIN SERVICE > http://freespace.virgin.net/tree.tops > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >

Hello Christine After e-mailing you I remembered a book listing Memorial Inscriptions in Lancashire and looked up Patricroft. Lo and behold, I found that there are some memorial inscriptions for Patricroft Congregational Church which are recorded and can be consulted at Salford Library - no doubt the Local History Library which is in the same building as Salford Art Gallery. A phone call to them would be worthwhile to confirm this. Presumably it was an old graveyard which is now closed. What is more, according to the book, Salford Library also has the following other records of Memorial Inscriptions Eccles - St Mary the Virgin Patricroft - George St Chapel Worsley - St Mark The Local History Library is open Tues, Thurs, Fri 10 - 5 and Wed 10 - 8 If you want to visit Peel Green Cemetery their phone no is 0161-789-1901. I'm afraid I don't know about the buses but I should think the Cemetery and the Library could tell you which buses to catch to reach them. If you wanted to go into the centre of Eccles the new Metro link goes there. I hope all that is helpful Margaret

Sorry Ladies, I will blame a senior moment for mixing up your names. Thank you both. I am looking for the closest cemetery to 49 Lincoln St., Winton, Eccles. My Grandfather Henry BOWEN died there in 1914. Regards, Carolyn New York, USA Researching: Lancashire BOWEN, BRAY, BUTLER, PEARCE, POLLARD

Message forwarded by List Owner - please do not reply to me. Regards, Carol, (Tree Tops) FAMILY TREE & WE’LL MEET AGAIN - Free Query Service: SKY NEWS British TV Text Pages 267 & 268, http://freespace.virgin.net/tree.tops/ http://freespace.virgin.net/tt.indexes http://freespace.virgin.net/genealogical.collections -----Original Message----- From: Cherryl <Cherryl.B@tesco.net> To: ENG-LAN-ECCLES-L@rootsweb.com <ENG-LAN-ECCLES-L@rootsweb.com> Date: 09 February, 2002 17:51 Subject: {not a subscriber} Re: [ECCLES] BARTON ON IRWELL >Hi Maggie >Would guess Urmston as there is still a Croftsbank Rd there >Cherryl >-----Original Message----- >From: Maggi63@aol.com <Maggi63@aol.com> >To: ENG-LAN-ECCLES-L@rootsweb.com <ENG-LAN-ECCLES-L@rootsweb.com> >Date: 08 February 2002 18:34 >Subject: [ECCLES] BARTON ON IRWELL > > >>hi >>I have a baptisme in 1814 ST MARYS CHURCH ECCLES the birth was given as >>having taken place at croftsbank barton, PLEASE!!!!!! can anyone tell me >>just what bit of barton, croftsbank was in ( I have searched on genuki to >no >>avail)) >> thanks,,,,,,,,maggi >> >> >>==== ENG-LAN-ECCLES Mailing List ==== >>Have you used Tree Tops? >>The Free FAMILY TREE & WE'LL MEET AGAIN SERVICE >>http://freespace.virgin.net/tree.tops >> >>============================== >>To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, >go to: >>http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >> >> >

hi sylvia I think I found croftsbank, its on the m/cr A-Z as a little area just near urmston. Re st marys church, are there 2? as I know for certain mine were c of e, it is the one called st marys parish church, all I know is its a very old church. please let me know if there are 2 st marys in eccles, will you thanks,,,,,maggi

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The Manchester Evening News has a "looking for people" page in the Saturday edition. You can find their website at : http://www.manchesteronline.co.uk/ the page you need to email is the In Touch page which is part of the letters page the email address is postbag@men-news.co.uk . They also have a version online and a full page in the paper itself. Hope that this is of help? Also the local free paper "The Advertiser" sometimes has requests from people on their letters page. Their site address is www.salfordadvertiser.co.uk and the email address is salfordadvertiser@gmwn.co.uk The Advertiser is delivered free to all homes in the Salford, Eccles, Swinton areas. Although number 10 Clarendon Rd. no longer exists there is still a part of Clarendon Road still standing. They knocked part of it down to accommodate a motorway. The school (Clarendon County Primary as it is now called) is still there. Hope that this is a bit of help to you Cheers Sheila ----- Original Message ----- From: <Katlvr9999@aol.com> To: <ENG-LAN-ECCLES-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, February 08, 2002 9:54 PM Subject: [ECCLES] FOX family > I'm looking for the John FOX family, who I know lived at 10 Clarendon Road in > Eccles from at least 1921 to at least 1926, based on letters written during > that period with Clarendon Road as the return address. (That address no > longer exists.) > > John FOX and his wife, Bessie (Elizabeth) nee ANDREWS, were first found, > surprisingly, in the 1900 Denver, CO, census, boarding with Bessie's recently > widowed mother. Bessie, b. May 4, 1869, had emigrated in 1890; John, born in > May, 1872, had arrived in 1897. John shows his occupation as "chemist". > > Bessie and John were married in Denver September 20, 1899. (Did they know > each other prior to emigration? Did John follow Bessie in order to capture > her hand?) Their eldest daughter, Betty (Elizabeth?) was born July 21, 1900 > , I would imagine also in Denver since Bessie would have been awfully close > to term at the time of the census. > > Another daughter, Jessie (Janet?), was born, I'm guessing approximately 2 > years later, and I'm guessing back in England. > > In 1907 John writes from West Africa on AKROKERRI (ASHANTI) MINES, LIMITED > letterhead that in another 4 or 5 months he will be starting home again, and > he vows that this will have been his last trip to West Africa. He mentions > that a 22 year old brother is with him (and he says "a" brother, rather than > "my" brother), so I suspect he had more than one brother; unfortunately he > doesn't mention the brother's name! (The brother is working in the cyanide > plant.) > > He also writes "both our little girls are going to school now" and says he > had received a letter from "little Jessie" a few days before. (It was > nothing but numbers, some written backward, which makes me think she was in > what in the US is called kindergarten, and therefore would have been 5 or 6 > years old.) And he says Bessie seems to be getting along all right, although > he imagines she is lonely with both girls in school, so clearly she and the > girls are back in England (or at least not in Africa with him). > > The Ashanti Mines letterhead is confusing, because Ashanti (with offices also > in London) is a gold mine, and family legend is that John was with a company > that had asbestos mines in South (not West) Africa. Also according to family > legend John was one of the first to fly over Victoria Falls, which we have as > yet been unsuccessful in verifying. > > (John also apparently has a sister named Kate; Bessie mentions her in one of > her letters.) > > Betty marries a Percy Gandy, probably in the summer of 1926; at least that > was the plan, according to Jessie's letter of Feb., 1926. Percy is allegedly > with the British Foreign Service, and supposedly the last heard of them was > from Capetown, So. Africa. Again it's a guess, but I would think he would > have been born around 1900 like Betty, give or take a couple of years. > > With the exception of Bessie, who I've found with her birth family, I've been > unable to find any of these folks in the IGI via familysearch.org. > > But even without any direct knowledge of the players perhaps SKS can help me > figure out where at least John and Bessie may be buried. I would assume John > would have been a member of the Church of England and that Bessie would > probably have originally been Presbyterian but would (also probably) have > joined John in the CE. If I can locate the cemetery and obtain dates of > death, perhaps I will also be able to obtain death notices that will provide > a trail for the daughters. Based on their dates of birth I would guess > John's and Bessie's deaths might have occurred in the late 1930s or 1940s; > Bessie, from the tone of her letters, wasn't in particularly good health, but > since I never knew her I can't say either that she had a particularly bad > time of it or "Oh, that was just Bessie." > > I was able to locate my Scottish ANDREWS cousins via a posting on the > "Memory" page of the Kilmarnock Standard. Is there a newspaper with a > similar page in Eccles? > > Any help will be GREATLY appreciated. > > Thanks in advance. > > > ==== ENG-LAN-ECCLES Mailing List ==== > Have you used Tree Tops? > The Free FAMILY TREE & WE'LL MEET AGAIN SERVICE > http://freespace.virgin.net/tree.tops > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >

Hello Margaret Thanks for your reply. Its mainly burials that I am trying to find. I'm visiting Manchester in April and hope to look at graveyards in the area of Eccles,Worsley and Patricroft. Were you could help me if you would is by telling me were the graveyards are and what bus I would get from the centre of Manchester. Thanks Christine At 03:08 AM 7/2/2002 -0700, you wrote: > Hi Christine >I have been in touch with the church secretary of Patricroft United Reformed >Church, formerly Patricroft Congregtional Church. >There is no graveyard - burials or cremations were at a municipal >cemeteries. >She is unsure just what records they have but will find out for us ( I think >I have some family connections there too) if you can give more details. >Can you reply with likely names and the dates for which you are interested. >If there are records of the right period I could visit the church to look >things up for you as long as there isn't too much to do. >Margaret Southern

Maggie, There is a Croftsbank in Urmston, which is just over the border from Barton, not sure if this might be the place you are looking for. Sheila ----- Original Message ----- From: <Maggi63@aol.com> To: <ENG-LAN-ECCLES-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, February 08, 2002 6:33 PM Subject: [ECCLES] BARTON ON IRWELL > hi > I have a baptisme in 1814 ST MARYS CHURCH ECCLES the birth was given as > having taken place at croftsbank barton, PLEASE!!!!!! can anyone tell me > just what bit of barton, croftsbank was in ( I have searched on genuki to no > avail)) > thanks,,,,,,,,maggi > > > ==== ENG-LAN-ECCLES Mailing List ==== > Have you used Tree Tops? > The Free FAMILY TREE & WE'LL MEET AGAIN SERVICE > http://freespace.virgin.net/tree.tops > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >

I'm looking for the John FOX family, who I know lived at 10 Clarendon Road in Eccles from at least 1921 to at least 1926, based on letters written during that period with Clarendon Road as the return address. (That address no longer exists.) John FOX and his wife, Bessie (Elizabeth) nee ANDREWS, were first found, surprisingly, in the 1900 Denver, CO, census, boarding with Bessie's recently widowed mother. Bessie, b. May 4, 1869, had emigrated in 1890; John, born in May, 1872, had arrived in 1897. John shows his occupation as "chemist". Bessie and John were married in Denver September 20, 1899. (Did they know each other prior to emigration? Did John follow Bessie in order to capture her hand?) Their eldest daughter, Betty (Elizabeth?) was born July 21, 1900 , I would imagine also in Denver since Bessie would have been awfully close to term at the time of the census. Another daughter, Jessie (Janet?), was born, I'm guessing approximately 2 years later, and I'm guessing back in England. In 1907 John writes from West Africa on AKROKERRI (ASHANTI) MINES, LIMITED letterhead that in another 4 or 5 months he will be starting home again, and he vows that this will have been his last trip to West Africa. He mentions that a 22 year old brother is with him (and he says "a" brother, rather than "my" brother), so I suspect he had more than one brother; unfortunately he doesn't mention the brother's name! (The brother is working in the cyanide plant.) He also writes "both our little girls are going to school now" and says he had received a letter from "little Jessie" a few days before. (It was nothing but numbers, some written backward, which makes me think she was in what in the US is called kindergarten, and therefore would have been 5 or 6 years old.) And he says Bessie seems to be getting along all right, although he imagines she is lonely with both girls in school, so clearly she and the girls are back in England (or at least not in Africa with him). The Ashanti Mines letterhead is confusing, because Ashanti (with offices also in London) is a gold mine, and family legend is that John was with a company that had asbestos mines in South (not West) Africa. Also according to family legend John was one of the first to fly over Victoria Falls, which we have as yet been unsuccessful in verifying. (John also apparently has a sister named Kate; Bessie mentions her in one of her letters.) Betty marries a Percy Gandy, probably in the summer of 1926; at least that was the plan, according to Jessie's letter of Feb., 1926. Percy is allegedly with the British Foreign Service, and supposedly the last heard of them was from Capetown, So. Africa. Again it's a guess, but I would think he would have been born around 1900 like Betty, give or take a couple of years. With the exception of Bessie, who I've found with her birth family, I've been unable to find any of these folks in the IGI via familysearch.org. But even without any direct knowledge of the players perhaps SKS can help me figure out where at least John and Bessie may be buried. I would assume John would have been a member of the Church of England and that Bessie would probably have originally been Presbyterian but would (also probably) have joined John in the CE. If I can locate the cemetery and obtain dates of death, perhaps I will also be able to obtain death notices that will provide a trail for the daughters. Based on their dates of birth I would guess John's and Bessie's deaths might have occurred in the late 1930s or 1940s; Bessie, from the tone of her letters, wasn't in particularly good health, but since I never knew her I can't say either that she had a particularly bad time of it or "Oh, that was just Bessie." I was able to locate my Scottish ANDREWS cousins via a posting on the "Memory" page of the Kilmarnock Standard. Is there a newspaper with a similar page in Eccles? Any help will be GREATLY appreciated. Thanks in advance.