Hello Peter, Bob and Sandie, Thank you all for your help. Peter, I phoned someone a while ago to see if a Joseph Platt had died in a mining accident, as I couldn't find his death. I had been looking for a death in Bolton, as I had no idea they had moved to Tyldesley. It wasn't until I got the death certificate that I found Joseph had been killed in an accident. I also found the coroner's report in the newspaper. Whoever gave the information about the death called it Warm Hole Pit. I would have thought that Joseph moved to the Tydlesley area for work at Mosley Common or a pit close by. Do you know if tunnels from a Tyldesley pit would stretch as far as Kearsley. I know that when my grandad worked in the pit, my mum said he walked a long way to get to the coal face. Bob, thank you for the map. I will have to have a ride to Tyldesley and see if I can find out where The Gore was. I have gone through the 1861 Tyldesley Census and I can't find Goor or The Gore on there. There is no street index. Sandie, thank you for all the information about the area. I think you are right about the Goor being the Gore. Now you have given me a different spelling, I have done a 'Google' search for The Gore and someone on the Lancsgen List, a few years ago, had a death certificate for someone whose address was The Gore, Tyldesley and she didn't know where the place was either. Anne in Bolton ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Thornley" <bob@thornleysystems.co.uk> To: <ENG-LAN-BOLTON-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, June 18, 2006 10:27 AM Subject: Re: [ENG-LAN-BOLTON] PIT ACCIDENT 1852 > Hi Anne, > The address does look like Goor, and the adjacent addresses are Platts > Fold, Stone House, Mill Brow, and Turncroft. > > I can't find Goor on the 1848-1850 map, but all the others appear within a > small area roughly centred on Grid Ref: 371922,402006. > http://www.old-maps.co.uk/ > > Rgds, Bob Thornley, Bolton > > From: "pneanne" <pne.anne@ntlworld.com> >> On the 1851 Census, Joseph Platt and Alice (nee Lomax born Affetside,) >> were living, at what looks like Goor, Tyldesley. I have been unable to >> find this address on a map. > > > ==== ENG-LAN-BOLTON Mailing List ==== > For Family/Local History covering Bolton, Horwich, Farnworth, Westhoughton > and Turton. Please keep the messages coming. > > ============================== > Find your ancestors in the Birth, Marriage and Death Records. > New content added every business day. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13964/rd.ashx > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.9.0/368 - Release Date: 16/06/2006 > >

Anne If you go to the following web site www.boothstown.com then choose 'Farms & Folds' thre is a brief description of the location of The Gore ----- Original Message ----- From: "pneanne" <pne.anne@ntlworld.com> To: <ENG-LAN-BOLTON-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, June 18, 2006 2:47 PM Subject: Re: [ENG-LAN-BOLTON] PIT ACCIDENT 1852 > Hello Peter, Bob and Sandie, > > Thank you all for your help. > > Peter, I phoned someone a while ago to see if a Joseph Platt had died in a > mining accident, as I couldn't find his death. I had been looking for a > death in Bolton, as I had no idea they had moved to Tyldesley. > > It wasn't until I got the death certificate that I found Joseph had been > killed in an accident. I also found the coroner's report in the > newspaper. Whoever gave the information about the death called it Warm > Hole Pit. I would have thought that Joseph moved to the Tydlesley area > for work at Mosley Common or a pit close by. Do you know if tunnels from > a Tyldesley pit would stretch as far as Kearsley. I know that when my > grandad worked in the pit, my mum said he walked a long way to get to the > coal face. > > Bob, thank you for the map. I will have to have a ride to Tyldesley and > see if I can find out where The Gore was. I have gone through the 1861 > Tyldesley Census and I can't find Goor or The Gore on there. There is no > street index. > > Sandie, thank you for all the information about the area. I think you are > right about the Goor being the Gore. Now you have given me a different > spelling, I have done a 'Google' search for The Gore and someone on the > Lancsgen List, a few years ago, had a death certificate for someone whose > address was The Gore, Tyldesley and she didn't know where the place was > either. > > Anne in Bolton > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Bob Thornley" <bob@thornleysystems.co.uk> > To: <ENG-LAN-BOLTON-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Sunday, June 18, 2006 10:27 AM > Subject: Re: [ENG-LAN-BOLTON] PIT ACCIDENT 1852 > > >> Hi Anne, >> The address does look like Goor, and the adjacent addresses are Platts >> Fold, Stone House, Mill Brow, and Turncroft. >> >> I can't find Goor on the 1848-1850 map, but all the others appear within >> a small area roughly centred on Grid Ref: 371922,402006. >> http://www.old-maps.co.uk/ >> >> Rgds, Bob Thornley, Bolton >> >> From: "pneanne" <pne.anne@ntlworld.com> >>> On the 1851 Census, Joseph Platt and Alice (nee Lomax born Affetside,) >>> were living, at what looks like Goor, Tyldesley. I have been unable to >>> find this address on a map. >> >> >> ==== ENG-LAN-BOLTON Mailing List ==== >> For Family/Local History covering Bolton, Horwich, Farnworth, >> Westhoughton and Turton. Please keep the messages coming. >> >> ============================== >> Find your ancestors in the Birth, Marriage and Death Records. >> New content added every business day. Learn more: >> http://www.ancestry.com/s13964/rd.ashx >> >> >> >> -- >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG Free Edition. >> Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.9.0/368 - Release Date: 16/06/2006 >> >> > > > ==== ENG-LAN-BOLTON Mailing List ==== > To switch from one mode to the other, unsubscribe from one and then > subscribe to the other. > > ============================== > Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the > last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx > >

Thank you Keith. What a great website. The Gore or Goor in 1851 is shown as Tyldesley, but it seems to have been nearer to Boothstown. Anne ----- Original Message ----- From: "keithopenshaw" <ko001b4578@blueyonder.co.uk> To: <ENG-LAN-BOLTON-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, June 18, 2006 3:02 PM Subject: Re: [ENG-LAN-BOLTON] PIT ACCIDENT 1852 > Anne > > If you go to the following web site www.boothstown.com then choose 'Farms > & Folds' thre is a brief description of the location of The Gore > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "pneanne" <pne.anne@ntlworld.com> > To: <ENG-LAN-BOLTON-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Sunday, June 18, 2006 2:47 PM > Subject: Re: [ENG-LAN-BOLTON] PIT ACCIDENT 1852 > > >> Hello Peter, Bob and Sandie, >> >> Thank you all for your help. >> >> Peter, I phoned someone a while ago to see if a Joseph Platt had died in >> a mining accident, as I couldn't find his death. I had been looking for >> a death in Bolton, as I had no idea they had moved to Tyldesley. >> >> It wasn't until I got the death certificate that I found Joseph had been >> killed in an accident. I also found the coroner's report in the >> newspaper. Whoever gave the information about the death called it Warm >> Hole Pit. I would have thought that Joseph moved to the Tydlesley area >> for work at Mosley Common or a pit close by. Do you know if tunnels from >> a Tyldesley pit would stretch as far as Kearsley. I know that when my >> grandad worked in the pit, my mum said he walked a long way to get to the >> coal face. >> >> Bob, thank you for the map. I will have to have a ride to Tyldesley and >> see if I can find out where The Gore was. I have gone through the 1861 >> Tyldesley Census and I can't find Goor or The Gore on there. There is >> no street index. >> >> Sandie, thank you for all the information about the area. I think you >> are right about the Goor being the Gore. Now you have given me a >> different spelling, I have done a 'Google' search for The Gore and >> someone on the Lancsgen List, a few years ago, had a death certificate >> for someone whose address was The Gore, Tyldesley and she didn't know >> where the place was either. >> >> Anne in Bolton >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Bob Thornley" <bob@thornleysystems.co.uk> >> To: <ENG-LAN-BOLTON-L@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Sunday, June 18, 2006 10:27 AM >> Subject: Re: [ENG-LAN-BOLTON] PIT ACCIDENT 1852 >> >> >>> Hi Anne, >>> The address does look like Goor, and the adjacent addresses are Platts >>> Fold, Stone House, Mill Brow, and Turncroft. >>> >>> I can't find Goor on the 1848-1850 map, but all the others appear within >>> a small area roughly centred on Grid Ref: 371922,402006. >>> http://www.old-maps.co.uk/ >>> >>> Rgds, Bob Thornley, Bolton >>> >>> From: "pneanne" <pne.anne@ntlworld.com> >>>> On the 1851 Census, Joseph Platt and Alice (nee Lomax born Affetside,) >>>> were living, at what looks like Goor, Tyldesley. I have been unable to >>>> find this address on a map. >>> >>> >>> ==== ENG-LAN-BOLTON Mailing List ==== >>> For Family/Local History covering Bolton, Horwich, Farnworth, >>> Westhoughton and Turton. Please keep the messages coming. >>> >>> ============================== >>> Find your ancestors in the Birth, Marriage and Death Records. >>> New content added every business day. Learn more: >>> http://www.ancestry.com/s13964/rd.ashx >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> No virus found in this incoming message. >>> Checked by AVG Free Edition. >>> Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.9.0/368 - Release Date: >>> 16/06/2006 >>> >>> >> >> >> ==== ENG-LAN-BOLTON Mailing List ==== >> To switch from one mode to the other, unsubscribe from one and then >> subscribe to the other. >> >> ============================== >> Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the >> last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: >> http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx >> >> > > > > ==== ENG-LAN-BOLTON Mailing List ==== > For Family/Local History covering Bolton, Horwich, Farnworth, Westhoughton > and Turton. Please keep the messages coming. > > ============================== > Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the > areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. > Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.9.0/368 - Release Date: 16/06/2006 > >

Hello Anne Gore appears to be in Mosley Common more-or-less, which puts it a lot closer to Kearsley than Bongs CBD was. If Kearlsey had been used rather loosely and the pit was on the SW side of the area, it may have been only 2-3 miles away, which is a more manageable walk across the fields. Even so, there would have been plenty of closer pits. You asked about tunnels between pits. In the 1850s it is unlikely that deep pits were connected underground. There would have to have been a good commercial reason to go to the expense of opening such connections, maintaining them (in a deep mine, the weight of rock above soon closes up any tunnel that is left to its own devices), and providing ventilation. I believe during WWII they deliberately drove tunnels to interconnect collieries in case a head gear was damaged by bombing, though it never happened as far as I know. However, between Mosley Common and Kearsley there was an amazing system of interlinked underground canals and coal workings that extended from Worsley under Walkden and as far as Four Lane Ends (Hulton Lane Ends) in Over Hulton. This was the Duke of Bridgewater's colliery based on a reaching seams by underground canals and inclined planes using specially built narrow boats to ship the coal out of the collieries to the Bridgewater Canal. There were also many surface pits and shafts connected with the operation. Maybe Warm Hole was connected with this system??? I've emailed someone who researches those mines, and I'll report back if I hear from him. Regards Peter Wood

Hello Peter, Thank you very much for your reply about the pits in the 1850's. I hope the person who is researching the mines has heard of Warm Hole. It will be very interesting to see where it was. Kind regards, Anne in Bolton. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter Wood" <st.peter@paradise.net.nz> To: <ENG-LAN-BOLTON-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, June 18, 2006 11:24 PM Subject: Re: [ENG-LAN-BOLTON] PIT ACCIDENT 1852 > Hello Anne > > Gore appears to be in Mosley Common more-or-less, which puts it a lot > closer to Kearsley than Bongs CBD was. If Kearlsey had been used rather > loosely and the pit was on the SW side of the area, it may have been only > 2-3 miles away, which is a more manageable walk across the fields. Even > so, > there would have been plenty of closer pits. > > You asked about tunnels between pits. In the 1850s it is unlikely that > deep > pits were connected underground. There would have to have been a good > commercial reason to go to the expense of opening such connections, > maintaining them (in a deep mine, the weight of rock above soon closes up > any tunnel that is left to its own devices), and providing ventilation. I > believe during WWII they deliberately drove tunnels to interconnect > collieries in case a head gear was damaged by bombing, though it never > happened as far as I know. > > However, between Mosley Common and Kearsley there was an amazing system of > interlinked underground canals and coal workings that extended from > Worsley > under Walkden and as far as Four Lane Ends (Hulton Lane Ends) in Over > Hulton. This was the Duke of Bridgewater's colliery based on a reaching > seams by underground canals and inclined planes using specially built > narrow boats to ship the coal out of the collieries to the Bridgewater > Canal. There were also many surface pits and shafts connected with the > operation. > > Maybe Warm Hole was connected with this system??? I've emailed someone who > researches those mines, and I'll report back if I hear from him. > > Regards > Peter Wood > > > ==== ENG-LAN-BOLTON Mailing List ==== > To unsubscribe from this list, send the command "unsubscribe" to > ENG-LAN-BOLTON-L-request@rootsweb.com (if in mail mode) or > ENG-LAN-BOLTON-D-request@rootsweb.com (if in digest mode.) > > ============================== > Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the > last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.9.0/368 - Release Date: 16/06/2006 > >