Hi Rachel, You wrote < I understand that the family lived at Shore Farm in Turton and wondered if it is still there today or whether it has been demolished.> I will make enquiries about the farm. < He and his family were living at Globe Cottages which I understand was next door to the Globe Inn (assumption as this is the next house on the census). He was still working there 10 years later on the 1851 census. By this stage he had 6 children - how big would the cottage have been? Does anyone know if these cottages still exist?> The Globe is still there today, and I will take a photo of it and put it on my website. There are some old stone cottages next to it, but I don't know if these were known as Globe cottages. Again I will make enquiries. < By the 1861 Census, Benjamin was still in Egerton but am unsure if he was at the same address as this is not stated. He had left the Quarry and was working as a Bobbit Cleaner in a Cotton Mill as were a number of his children. Was there a Cotton Mill in the area?> There was a cotton mill on Hardmans Lane, known as Cox Green Mill. In all likelihood it would be this one. Turton Local History Society have published a number of books about the area, but I'm not sure if these can be ordered on the internet. Valerie

There is a mention of Shore Farm in Turton Local History Series No.27. "Crook Fold 48 acre holding of the Earl of Derby located in the South West corner of the township Francis Davenport, chapman of Salford is recorded in 1682 as holding freehold tenancy from Earl of Derby for the lives of his three sons, Richard, Thomas and Francis. On death of youngest son, Francis, tenancy was acquired by the Crompton family and later inherited by spinster Margaret Loe During the 1700s the Crook family from Little Lever occupied the farm and by an Indenture of 1787 John Crook purchased the tenancy from Margaret Loe. On his death in 1821 he devised the lease to his sons James and John and in 1837, four years after the death of James, brother John sold it to the Markland family of Little Lever. Hey Knott Shore (Eye Not, Heynot, Hynot, High Knoll etc) was normally referred to simply as Shore Farm. It had been established in the mid 1700s with Ralph Greenhalgh and Robert Thomason as early tenants. In 1845 it was recorded as a licensed house and occupied by Samuel Heys. The farmland of the estate would appear to have been leased separately from the properties on some periodic rental basis and in the Enclosures of 1797 the freeholds of both Croft Fold and Shore Farm were held by the Earl of Derby. During the 1800s Crook Fold was farmed by Samuel Bridge and later James Markland who incorporated the farmland of Shore Farm. Little is known about Alders, a small farm of about 6 acres positioned on the SW side of Bradshaw Brook, except that it was acquired in the early 1800s by James Hardcastle of the adjacent Firwood Bleach Works, for use as a beetling room powered by water wheel. Both Crook Fold and Shore Farm were acquired c 18865 by Harwood Vale Bleach Works who used the farm buildings to stable their cart-horses. After their amalgamation into the Bleachers' Association in 1900 (later Whitecroft Holdings Ltd) the company maintained the tenancies of the farmers on a yearly lease and rental basis. The converted shippon/barn of Crook Fold remains as the clubhouse for the recently established Bolton Open Golf Complex." Glad I spotted that as I am interested in The Alders which I had previously just known as a group of old cottages, it confirms just how old they were. I will have a look on the 1895 map for Shore Farm. I only have two of the Turton LHS booklets and can't see any pictures of Globe Inn/Cottages. These are excellent publications, I always buy any that I see when I stop off in Bolton. Martin Briscoe Fort William M&LFHS | Gwynedd FHS -----Original Message----- From: eng-lan-bolton-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:eng-lan-bolton-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Valerie Sent: 16 September 2006 17:58 To: eng-lan-bolton@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [ENG-LAN-BOLTON] New to the List - HOLT's in Turton & Egerton Hi Rachel, You wrote < I understand that the family lived at Shore Farm in Turton and wondered if it is still there today or whether it has been demolished.> I will make enquiries about the farm. < He and his family were living at Globe Cottages which I understand was next door to the Globe Inn (assumption as this is the next house on the census). He was still working there 10 years later on the 1851 census. By this stage he had 6 children - how big would the cottage have been? Does anyone know if these cottages still exist?> The Globe is still there today, and I will take a photo of it and put it on my website. There are some old stone cottages next to it, but I don't know if these were known as Globe cottages. Again I will make enquiries. < By the 1861 Census, Benjamin was still in Egerton but am unsure if he was at the same address as this is not stated. He had left the Quarry and was working as a Bobbit Cleaner in a Cotton Mill as were a number of his children. Was there a Cotton Mill in the area?> There was a cotton mill on Hardmans Lane, known as Cox Green Mill. In all likelihood it would be this one. Turton Local History Society have published a number of books about the area, but I'm not sure if these can be ordered on the internet. Valerie ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-LAN-BOLTON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Valerie, thanks so much I really appreciate your help. You mentioned your website - is it possible to have a look at it? I have seen a photo of the Globe Inn on another website but it cut off the buildings next door so I would love to see a photo of the cottages as well. >From all the email's it looks as though Shore Farm is no longer there - what a pity as it was in the Holt family for two or three generations (allegedly) although I need to do more research as this does not correspond to the Turton LHS series of books mentioned by Martin. Would you or anyone else have an address for the Turton LHS where I could purchase these books. Thanks again, you've been so helpful. Rachel -------Original Message------- From: Valerie Date: 16/09/2006 17:57:40 To: eng-lan-bolton@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [ENG-LAN-BOLTON] New to the List - HOLT's in Turton & Egerton Hi Rachel, You wrote < I understand that the family lived at Shore Farm in Turton and wondered if it is still there today or whether it has been demolished.> I will make enquiries about the farm. < He and his family were living at Globe Cottages which I understand was next door to the Globe Inn (assumption as this is the next house on the census). He was still working there 10 years later on the 1851 census. By this stage he had 6 children - how big would the cottage have been? Does anyone know if these cottages still exist?> The Globe is still there today, and I will take a photo of it and put it on my website. There are some old stone cottages next to it, but I don't know if these were known as Globe cottages. Again I will make enquiries. < By the 1861 Census, Benjamin was still in Egerton but am unsure if he was at the same address as this is not stated. He had left the Quarry and was working as a Bobbit Cleaner in a Cotton Mill as were a number of his children. Was there a Cotton Mill in the area?> There was a cotton mill on Hardmans Lane, known as Cox Green Mill. In all likelihood it would be this one. Turton Local History Society have published a number of books about the area, but I'm not sure if these can be ordered on the internet. Valerie