In a message dated 08/05/2006 09:40:51 GMT Daylight Time, GfPryc@aol.com writes: If he ran in the 1950s the miler Fred must be the son of my father's cousin Fred, who was born around 1896. Hi A bit about Fred Norris. In the 1954 Boston Marathon Fred Norris, who ran for the Bolton Unoted Harriers competed in the 10000m Because the Olympic tean did not get proper expense allowances Fred didnt even have enough money to phone home to say that he had arrived safely. In 1962 the 40yr old Coal Miner won the Mount Washington Road Race in the stunning time of 1.04.57. Which may still stand as the masters Record. If you type - fred norris, olympic miler - in your search box you will find several references to this great runner, Jacqui Kilcoyne