Anne you beauty!! What a great bit of lateral thinking. The address is a very big clue, and I will certainly be ordering that marriage cert. I'll let you know when I get it! I'm so grateful for the time you have spent on this, thanks so much Sandie In a message dated 28/05/06 22:41:33 GMT Daylight Time, pne.anne@ntlworld.com writes: I was wondering if Rosa got married after Gertrude was born and after doing some research, I have found something interesting. I have found a marriage between a Rose Ann Shepherd in the June Quarter 1892 Bolton. The men on the same page were Nathanial Green (who I have ruled out) and William Norton. I have looked for William Norton on the 1901 Census. He is a widower living with three children, who could be his from his first marriage. The interesting part is that he is living at 4 Robert Street, which is the address that Rosa, Emily A. and Gertrude were living in 1891. >Following on from my last e-mail, I have found the death of Rose Ann Norton. She died in >the December Quarter, 1897 Bolton, aged 48 years. She is the right age for your Rosa. >If it is your Rosa, who married William Norton, it would be interesting to see if she was a >spinster when she married, therefore, proving that James was a made up name on her >daughter's wedding certificate.