Oh Boy, there's an interesting one. Lets see what this tells us;- If James aged 25 is the head and Elizabeth, aged 35 is his wife and Joseph (3) and Elizabeth (2) are their children ,as seems likely, then the others are in his household either permanently or temporarily, otherwise you'd expect William (60) to be the head. Be interesting to know why they were with James Assuming William and Alice (60) to be the parents of James (25) then we might assume that the others (Alice (30) and Ann (25)) are their children and siblings of James (25). Samuel (15) is odd because he's a bit young to be William's son and a bit old to be his grandson. Looking at Anne, if she were the mother of the 1830 James, she'd have been about 14 at his birth, not impossible but not very likely either. Assuming Anne was the mother, I would expect James to be with her in 1841, but he could have been visiting the Brindles, it's hard to come up with a scenario that describes why James would be at the Brindles in both 1841 and 1851 unless he was fostered (or similar) by them, or was the son of the wife, though we think she was Butterworth. I would have thought it more likely that there was another Anne, mother of James, who died but who had some connection to the Brindles or Butterworths? Of course it could be that Anne is the mother and gave her baby over to the Brindle / Butterworth family for some reason (maybe George Brindle was the father???) Hard to know what to think, really, I'll keep looking and trying to fit the pieces together. Thanks for the ideas, it all helps to paint a picture. Confused! Pete -----Original Message----- From: pneanne [mailto:pne.anne@ntlworld.com] Sent: 25 May 2006 17:05 To: ENG-LAN-BOLTON-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [ENG-LAN-BOLTON] JAMES HULME Hi Pete, I have been trying to find a baptism for Anne Hulme, the mother of James christened in 1830, to try to eliminate them. There was an Ann Holme c. 14.1.1816 Bolton le Moors to William Holme and Alice Wright. I think this is the family on the 1841 Census in Dawson Lane, Little Bolton. James Hulme 25 Comb Manufacturer Born in County Elizabeth Hulme 35 Born in County Joseph Hulme 5 Born in County Elizabth Hulme 2 Born in County William Hulme 60 Mop maker Born in County Alice Hulme 60 Born in County Alice Hulme 30 Born in County Ann Hulme 25 25 Cotton Tenter Born in County Samuel Hulme 15 Ap. Comb maker Born in County If Ann aged 25 is the Anne Hulme, mother of James christened in 1830, where is James. I know it is a long shot and the age is a bit out, but could he be the one lodging with the Brindles in 1841 and 1851. What do you think?

Hi Pete, I thought I was on to something. I have been trying to find information about the witness at George Brindle and Mary Butterworth's wedding in 1835.. He is Thomas Thompson. I have checked the 1841 Census, and the first Thomas Thompson, born about 1811, that I looked at lived in Dawson Lane. This is the street where the Hulme family lived in 1841. He had been transcribed on Ancestry as Thos Thompson, but when I looked at the census image, the name looks like Thomason, so I am not sure if it is him, but it is certainly a coincidence. Anne in Bolton. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pete Hulme" <phulme@glasshouse.com> To: <ENG-LAN-BOLTON-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, May 25, 2006 5:41 PM Subject: RE: [ENG-LAN-BOLTON] JAMES HULME > > Oh Boy, there's an interesting one. Lets see what this tells us;- > > If James aged 25 is the head and Elizabeth, aged 35 is his wife and > Joseph (3) and Elizabeth (2) are their children ,as seems likely, then > the others are in his household either permanently or temporarily, > otherwise you'd expect William (60) to be the head. Be interesting to > know why they were with James > > Assuming William and Alice (60) to be the parents of James (25) then we > might assume that the others (Alice (30) and Ann (25)) are their > children and siblings of James (25). Samuel (15) is odd because he's a > bit young to be William's son and a bit old to be his grandson. > > Looking at Anne, if she were the mother of the 1830 James, she'd have > been about 14 at his birth, not impossible but not very likely either. > Assuming Anne was the mother, I would expect James to be with her in > 1841, but he could have been visiting the Brindles, it's hard to come up > with a scenario that describes why James would be at the Brindles in > both 1841 and 1851 unless he was fostered (or similar) by them, or was > the son of the wife, though we think she was Butterworth. I would have > thought it more likely that there was another Anne, mother of James, who > died but who had some connection to the Brindles or Butterworths? Of > course it could be that Anne is the mother and gave her baby over to the > Brindle / Butterworth family for some reason (maybe George Brindle was > the father???) > > Hard to know what to think, really, I'll keep looking and trying to fit > the pieces together. Thanks for the ideas, it all helps to paint a > picture. > > Confused! Pete > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: pneanne [mailto:pne.anne@ntlworld.com] > Sent: 25 May 2006 17:05 > To: ENG-LAN-BOLTON-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: [ENG-LAN-BOLTON] JAMES HULME > > Hi Pete, > > I have been trying to find a baptism for Anne Hulme, the mother of James > > christened in 1830, to try to eliminate them. > > There was an Ann Holme c. 14.1.1816 Bolton le Moors to William Holme and > > Alice Wright. > > I think this is the family on the 1841 Census in Dawson Lane, Little > Bolton. > > James Hulme 25 Comb Manufacturer Born in County > Elizabeth Hulme 35 Born in County > Joseph Hulme 5 Born in County > Elizabth Hulme 2 Born in County > William Hulme 60 Mop maker Born in County > Alice Hulme 60 Born in County > Alice Hulme 30 Born in County > Ann Hulme 25 25 Cotton Tenter Born in County > Samuel Hulme 15 Ap. Comb maker Born in County > > If Ann aged 25 is the Anne Hulme, mother of James christened in 1830, > where > is James. I know it is a long shot and the age is a bit out, but could > he > be the one lodging with the Brindles in 1841 and 1851. What do you > think? > > > > ==== ENG-LAN-BOLTON Mailing List ==== > Bolton Metro - bolton@bolton.gov.uk > > ============================== > Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the > last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.7.1/347 - Release Date: 24/05/2006 >