Hi Anne, this certainly answers the question, but doesn't help solve the riddle! If all these churches are in the IGI, and there is no James Hulme in the IGI in the 1830's other than the 31/01/1830 then (barring a transcription error) I must be missing something! Looking at your list, it says St Peter's baptisms are listed up to 1829, but there are definitely later ones in the IGI, including the 1830 one and an 1839 James Holme. I assume this means that there are still records going into the IGI. If James wasn't baptised in any of the Bolton Churches, but all of his census entries etc. agree that he was born in Bolton (Halliwell) then either he was baptised in another church or he was born outside the area and moved there when very young? Otherwise I suppose it's possible that he wasn't baptised (don't know how likely that is) or the record is missing somewhere from a parish record or transcript. Given that he was married in a catholic church, I'm going to ask a question on the list about the probability that he was a catholic. I've no reason to suspect he was, but that's only because my father isn't and he was James' great grandson. If he was catholic, I'll try to find out where he might have been baptised and where the records now are. The search, as they say, goes on!! Cheers, Pete ________________________________ From: pneanne [mailto:pne.anne@ntlworld.com] Sent: Tue 23/05/2006 20:06 To: ENG-LAN-BOLTON-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [ENG-LAN-BOLTON] CHURCHES ON THE IGI Hi Pete, This is from the Bolton Archives handbook. These are the churches in Bolton, which appear on the IGI. Other churches in Farnworth, Blackrod, Horwich, Turton, Westhoughton, Ringley, Little Hulton and Little Lever are also on the IGI. Parish Church of St. Peter, Great Bolton. IGI. Baptisms 1573-1829 Marriages 1573-1837 All Saints, Little Bolton IGI. Baptisms 1797-1872 St. George, Little Bolton IGI. Baptisms 1796-1856 Parish Church of St. Mary, Deane IGI Baptisms 1604-1854 Marriages 1604-1812 Hope this helps,

Hi Pete, My Handlist was printed in October, 1997, so it is probably out of date, and more years have been added to the IGI. I will enquire about this when I go to the library. Anne in Bolton. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pete Hulme" <phulme@glasshouse.com> To: <ENG-LAN-BOLTON-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2006 8:40 PM Subject: Re: [ENG-LAN-BOLTON] CHURCHES ON THE IGI > Hi Anne, this certainly answers the question, but doesn't help solve the > riddle! > > If all these churches are in the IGI, and there is no James Hulme in the > IGI in the 1830's other than the 31/01/1830 then (barring a transcription > error) I must be missing something! > > Looking at your list, it says St Peter's baptisms are listed up to 1829, > but there are definitely later ones in the IGI, including the 1830 one and > an 1839 James Holme. I assume this means that there are still records > going into the IGI. > > If James wasn't baptised in any of the Bolton Churches, but all of his > census entries etc. agree that he was born in Bolton (Halliwell) then > either he was baptised in another church or he was born outside the area > and moved there when very young? Otherwise I suppose it's possible that he > wasn't baptised (don't know how likely that is) or the record is missing > somewhere from a parish record or transcript. > > Given that he was married in a catholic church, I'm going to ask a > question on the list about the probability that he was a catholic. I've no > reason to suspect he was, but that's only because my father isn't and he > was James' great grandson. If he was catholic, I'll try to find out where > he might have been baptised and where the records now are. > > The search, as they say, goes on!! > > Cheers, Pete > > ________________________________ > > From: pneanne [mailto:pne.anne@ntlworld.com] > Sent: Tue 23/05/2006 20:06 > To: ENG-LAN-BOLTON-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: [ENG-LAN-BOLTON] CHURCHES ON THE IGI > > > > Hi Pete, > > This is from the Bolton Archives handbook. These are the churches in > Bolton, which appear on the IGI. Other churches in Farnworth, Blackrod, > Horwich, Turton, Westhoughton, Ringley, Little Hulton and Little Lever > are > also on the IGI. > > Parish Church of St. Peter, Great Bolton. > > IGI. Baptisms 1573-1829 > Marriages 1573-1837 > > > All Saints, Little Bolton > > IGI. Baptisms 1797-1872 > > > St. George, Little Bolton > > IGI. Baptisms 1796-1856 > > > Parish Church of St. Mary, Deane > > IGI Baptisms 1604-1854 > Marriages 1604-1812 > > Hope this helps, > > > > > ==== ENG-LAN-BOLTON Mailing List ==== > To switch from one mode to the other, unsubscribe from one and then > subscribe to the other. > > ============================== > Find your ancestors in the Birth, Marriage and Death Records. > New content added every business day. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13964/rd.ashx > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.392 / Virus Database: 268.7.0/345 - Release Date: 22/05/2006 > >

Hi Pete and Anne, I checked James Holme 1839 and as expected it turned out to be a member submission. This is revealed by the 'message': "Record submitted by a member of the LDS Church." It's advisable to regard these entries with a degree of suspicion, because they are frequently based on fairly shaky research and sometimes wishful thinking. You may well find this if you check the other entries that fall outside the date ranges that Anne suggested, these will also be member submissions. I hope that helps. Rgds, Bob Thornley, Bolton From: "pneanne" <pne.anne@ntlworld.com> > Hi Pete, > My Handlist was printed in October, 1997, so it is probably out of date, > and more years have been added to the IGI. I will enquire about this when > I go to the library. > Anne in Bolton. > From: "Pete Hulme" <phulme@glasshouse.com> <snip> Looking at your list, it says St Peter's baptisms are listed up to 1829, >> but there are definitely later ones in the IGI, including the 1830 one >> and an 1839 James Holme. I assume this means that there are still records >> going into the IGI. <snip>