Hi Pete, Just a couple of things I have noticed. On the 1861 Census in Gaskell Street, George and Mary Brindle have a son James aged 19, but he is not shown with the family in Cross Street in 1851. Also, George's wife Mary Brindle (nee Butterworth) was born in Halliwell, so there is a Halliwell connection between her and the visitor James Hulme, who is living with them in 1841 and 1851. On the 1861 Census in Barn Street, where James Hulme is lodging with his wife to be, Elizabeth Kay, it shows Elizabeth as married. They named their son Thomas. Do you know if Thomas is the name of Elizabeth's father. If not, he could be the name of James Hulme's grandfather. Perhaps it would be an idea to go a generation back and find a Thomas Hulme whose daughter was the mother of James Hulme. I hope this makes sense. As you say, it is getting very complicated. Anne in Bolton. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pete Hulme" <phulme@glasshouse.com> To: <ENG-LAN-BOLTON-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, May 29, 2006 11:10 PM Subject: Re: [ENG-LAN-BOLTON] JAMES HULME > Hi Anne, > > The more we look at this, the more complex it becomes! Lets look at the > evidence so far;- > > 1. > I think there is a strong chance that the James Hulme, living with the > Brindles in 1841 and 1851 is 'my' James, partly because we find 'my' James > and his family living ~ next door to the Brindles again in 1871 > 2. > Based on your study of the Bolton Baptisms, the only likely James birth is > the christening of the child of Ann Hulme in Jan 1830. There is no other > likely James born in Bolton anywhen in the 1830s > 3. > There is the interesting 'coincidence' of the Thomas Hulme (born Chorley) > and his wife living two doors from the Brindles when James is with them > 4. > Assuming for a moment that the James at the Brindles is the right one and > he's the son of Ann Hulme, that doesn't mean he's the son of the Dawson > Lane Ann, though he could be. > 5. > Looking at Thomas Hulme, there's a baptism in Chorley on 1st October 1815 > that could be him, parents are William and Catherine Holme. > 6. > William and Catherine seem to have a daughter, Mary Ann Holmes baptised > Chorley 12 Dec 1813 and then have two other children Henry and James > baptised at St. Peter's, Bolton on 24 October 1819 (both on the same day) > 7. > BMD shows the death of an Ann Hulme in Bolton in the December quarter of > 1840 > > Now lots of bits of supposition and loose thoughts that aren't grounded > yet;- > > * Maybe James at the Brindles is the illegitimate son of Mary Ann, sister > of their neighbour, Thomas? > * Maybe there is a Ann Hulme who died in 1840 and her son is with the > Brindles? > * Maybe both of the above are the same person? > > At the end of the day, I'm reluctant to give up on the Brindle's James > Hulme yet, but I'd be a LOT happier if I could link an Ann Hulme to them > somehow. I'll keep kicking over the trail and see what I can find, at some > level there MUST be an explanation as to why there is a James Hulme living > with the Brindles in 1841 and 1851, whether or not it's 'my' James > > Cheers, Pete Hulme > > > > > > ==== ENG-LAN-BOLTON Mailing List ==== > For Family/Local History covering Bolton, Horwich, Farnworth, Westhoughton > and Turton. Please keep the messages coming. > > ============================== > Census images 1901, 1891, 1881 and 1871, plus so much more. > Ancestry.com's United Kingdom & Ireland Collection. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13968/rd.ashx > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.7.3/350 - Release Date: 28/05/2006 >