Hi, I'm hoping somebody here can help me solve a mystery with my family tree, please? I've traced my line back to a James Hulme who was born in Bolton (Halliwell) about 1835 but I'm now stuck. James married Elizabeth Kay on 2nd August 1862 in Bolton (she was born in Manchester) and they had one son, Thomas on 27th December 1866. My problem is that I can't find the birth or anything between then and the 1861 census. I know that James' father's name was also James, because it's on his marriage certificate but I don't know his mother's name. I believe the father was still alive when the son married in 1862 because the wife's father is noted as "deceased" but the husband's isn't. I can't seem to find the James + James + mother in the 1851 or 1841 census. I'm pretty sure it would be Bolton because the birth is Bolton and everything I have from 1861 on is Bolton, but it's possible they moved away and back. James' age is a bit variable. In 1861 he claims to be 29 and born in Halliwell; on his marriage in 1862, he's still 29; in 1871 he's 35 and born Bolton; in 1881 he's 45 and born Halliwell and in 1891 he's 51 and born Bolton. It's definitely the right family because of the James from Bolton and Elizabeth (Kay) from Manchester, but the age is a mystery. Can anyone help me with a guide to this family from 1851 or 1841, or even to push the line back earlier. I'm pretty much stumped as to what to do next, and it's not helped by being quite a common name. Any suggestions would be most welcome? Thanks, Pete Hulme

Hi Pete, I don't know if I am on the right track here, but I have found a James Hulme on the 1841 and 1851 Censuses, who could be your James. I have checked all the James Hulmes on the 1841 and 1851 Census and none of them, who are in the Bolton area have a father James. I have found during my own research that sometimes, people make up a father's name on the marriage certificate if they are illegitimate. I am not saying that your James was illegitimate, but I have found one who could be. 1841 Cross Street, Little Bolton. (I have looked on the map and there was a Cross Street at Toppings, which was near the Volunteer Pub) George Brindle 25 Cotton Spinner Born in County Mary Brindle 25 Born in County Abraham Brindle 2 Born in County Alice Butterworth 40 F.S. Born in County JAMES HULME 10 Cotton Reeler Born in County There was also another Hulme family living in Cross Street in 1841. Thomas Hulme 25 Cotton Spinner Born in County (I don't know if they are James' (above) parents, although they could be about 19 when he was born) Ann Hulme 25 Born in County Margaret Hulme 3 Born in County Catherine Hulme 6 months Born in County. 1851 Cross Street George Brindle head marr. 35 Spinner Little Bolton Mary Brindle wife 34 Reeler Halliwell Abraham Brindle son 14 Piecer Little Bolton Hannah Brindle d. 6 Little Bolton Mary Jane Brindle d. 4 Little Bolton Alice Butterworth mothr-in-law 66 Breightmet JAMES HULME visitor un. 23 Stripper Cotton Mill, Halliwell. (This census shows James born in Halliwell. I thought Mary could have been his mother, but the mother-in-law is shown as Butterworth). What do you think? Kind regards, Anne in Bolton. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pete Hulme" <phulme@glasshouse.com> To: <ENG-LAN-BOLTON-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, May 13, 2006 10:38 AM Subject: [ENG-LAN-BOLTON] James Hulme c. 1835 > Hi, I'm hoping somebody here can help me solve a mystery with my family > tree, please? I've traced my line back to a James Hulme who was born in > Bolton (Halliwell) about 1835 but I'm now stuck. James married Elizabeth > Kay on 2nd August 1862 in Bolton (she was born in Manchester) and they had > one son, Thomas on 27th December 1866. > > My problem is that I can't find the birth or anything between then and the > 1861 census. I know that James' father's name was also James, because it's > on his marriage certificate but I don't know his mother's name. I believe > the father was still alive when the son married in 1862 because the wife's > father is noted as "deceased" but the husband's isn't. I can't seem to > find the James + James + mother in the 1851 or 1841 census. I'm pretty > sure it would be Bolton because the birth is Bolton and everything I have > from 1861 on is Bolton, but it's possible they moved away and back. > > James' age is a bit variable. In 1861 he claims to be 29 and born in > Halliwell; on his marriage in 1862, he's still 29; in 1871 he's 35 and > born Bolton; in 1881 he's 45 and born Halliwell and in 1891 he's 51 and > born Bolton. It's definitely the right family because of the James from > Bolton and Elizabeth (Kay) from Manchester, but the age is a mystery. > > Can anyone help me with a guide to this family from 1851 or 1841, or even > to push the line back earlier. I'm pretty much stumped as to what to do > next, and it's not helped by being quite a common name. > > Any suggestions would be most welcome? > > Thanks, Pete Hulme > > > ==== ENG-LAN-BOLTON Mailing List ==== > To unsubscribe from this list, send the command "unsubscribe" to > ENG-LAN-BOLTON-L-request@rootsweb.com (if in mail mode) or > ENG-LAN-BOLTON-D-request@rootsweb.com (if in digest mode.) > > ============================== > New! Family Tree Maker 2005. Build your tree and search for your ancestors > at the same time. Share your tree with family and friends. Learn more: > http://landing.ancestry.com/familytreemaker/2005/tour.aspx?sourceid=14599&targetid=5429 > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.392 / Virus Database: 268.5.6/338 - Release Date: 12/05/2006 > >